LAMP Grid Application Server, No More J2EE

An anonymous reader writes "Check out this blog entry in Loosely Coupled about ActiveGrid's new open source Grid Application Server based on the LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Python/Perl) stack. Not to start another PHP vs. Java flame war, but it looks like LAMP is starting to grow up, and that it is much better suited for next generation applications than J2EE."

Comments

Why is GNU not included in the name?

[latroM]

I wonder that because the users and developers interact with the kernel, linux by using GNU's components. Switching to GNU/kBSD wouldn't change anything in that setting from the users' and developers' perspective.

I actually do agree with the blog contents

[giuntag]

FACT 1: J2EE is overengineered for everything, and darn too complex to learn. I'm not talking solely about EJB, just take a look at all the frameworks springing up every year, JSP, JSF, STRUTS, more than you can poke an acronym at. If anything, the emerging terns is: all the frameworks are solving the wrong problem. FACT 2: JVM might be getting faster with JIT and all, but Java AS suck RAM big time (and CPU too). BEA advises customers to use open-source technology (Apache) to server static content, cuz' it would kill the server. And their product costs $$$, while Apache is free. FACT 3: PHP+Apache+(insert favorite DB) is no toy at all. PHP actually is running the internet far more than java has ever been. It would me a mistake to ignore scripting languages on the premises that MySQL does not support transactions/stored procedures / whatever. HINT 1: J2EE only has it place in big enterprises that are willing to get it becuase the big bucks it costs come with some big name company that offers support. Big enterproses still are unwilling to bet the house on 'get-it-from-newsgroups-on-google' tech support. HINT 2: the same big companies are very much likely to use Oracle, Sybase or DB2 for the DB back-end. But if they do, they already paid for the possibility to write all the business logic inside the DB, and have it running better and faster than in the applicatio-tier. HINT 3: even in enterprise contexts, the largest part of the majority of apps is pretty stupid form entry and validation. The presentation logic changes much faster than the data. And scripting languages are faster to write presentation logic than JAVA or dotNot. HINT 4: horizontal scaling is gonna be big. Real DB and PHP gurus know it can beat AS clustering anytime. OK, just my 2cents of flaming...

Re:More marketing hype

[odyrithm]

Perl, PHP and Python are separate languages you filthy animal! jesus christ your irritating.

Re:In which world?

[Billly Gates]

Php and mysql are just not growing in the enterprise.

Java is secure and php is extremely insecure. Go do a google search for php and security holes are go to the FBI's website and look it up? Php ranks higher than ASP with security holes.

Not to sound trollish because php and mysql are great for tiny websites and hobbiests but Java and a real database or even postgresql are leaps and bounds already and have been enterprise ready for a long time.

Wonder why livejournal.com or myspace go down every other day or get slow? Go read the logs? I am a member of the LJ-maintance community and mysql is to blame for 9 out of 10 times. When you need to upgrade the system or add a cluster you need to shutdown the whole portal or portitions of it. Pathetic! I am biased of course but Lamp has reached saturation in my opinion. Alot of work still needs to be done.

Whats wrong with Emacs?

[Billly Gates]

Supports everything I need but comes with a shitty editor.