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UK to Privatize Radio Spectrum?

judgecorp writes "The UK regulator, Ofcom, has decided that managing spectrum is a drag, and there are other people around that might do a better job. It is going to open up 73 percent of the radio spectrum to market forces, and make it technology-neutral and tradeable. So if one technology gets superseded, another one can get rolled out instead (subject to broadcast power limits) without Ofcom having to define what spectrum it should use. Radio was first regulated here 100 years ago this year, and a new regime is needed to fit new radio technology. Ofcom is quite proud to be ahead of the US on this one, because we have a recent Communications Act, and the FCC is 'hamstrung' by old laws - at least that's what the head of research at Ofcom said."

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  1. This sounds like an incredibly bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    All you have to do is look at the railways, power, mines, buses...

  2. Natural Resource Tax by WalterDGeranios · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a good idea, as long as there will be a natural resource tax to reduce hoarding and speculation.

  3. potential money is everywhere by SoupGuru · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just remember everyone, just because you *can* make money off it means you *should*, right?

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    1. Re:potential money is everywhere by KingOfTheNerds · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You should definitely make money off of the spectrum just because you can. But mainly this article is about better managing the spectrum for the rollout of new technology. The united states FCC is quite crappy at it, and they need to revise it as they have.

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    2. Re:potential money is everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      When is enough enough? 10 Million, 100 Million, 1 billion? There's only so much wealth in the economy and everyone has to share it. Some have large shares, others have less.

      The trend in our economy is that the rich help each other get richer and the poor get poorer, it's a funnel up system. What I don't understand how rich people can get to the point where they have taken billions from the masses and still want more, why not walk away and retire, travel the world, enjoy life..

      I'm all for people making a living and improving their situations, but their is a group of people out there that have gone to excess. Why does a reasonable person need 2 Million dollars worth of jewelery?

      We need to take action against these people through laws or vigilantism, lets break down their doors and loot their mansions.

  4. Ham radio by Sygiinu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope they make provision for the amateur bands and we (radio enthusiasts) don't have to club together to buy them. I wonder if licenses will be required still?

  5. Re:Great idea... by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They're just going to privatise the air traffic control spectrum, police, emergency services, trains and military because 'private companies' are much more efficient at handling it dont you know? what could possibly go wrong?

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  6. Re:Great idea... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How would a publicly run British Telecom be any better? They would have no incentive to update technology since there would be no competition. You would be stuck with a very reliable big black rotory dial phone.

  7. About time by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's about time someone did this. There's no reason for the airwaves to be publicly owned. "Public ownership" of a resource means that all decisions about a resouce have to occur in the context of politics. All decisions are political decisions.

    If the group that wants censorship has more votes than the group that doesn't want censorship, then there'll be censorship.

    When a private entity owns something, decisions are made based on the ideals of the private entity. If you don't like the decisions made about the resource, you can buy your own.

    It works for land. It'll work for the airwaves. Nice job UK.

    1. Re:About time by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's about time someone did this. There's no reason for the airwaves to be publicly owned.

      You HAVE to be joking...

      Public ownership of the airwave exists because, in reality, no-one can own it in the first place. In fact, it's not owned at all, just regulated (i.e. Big Brother slaps you on the fingers if you annoy your radio neighbours).

      It's just like air and oceans, you know. You can't really own it, just manage it, because it's everybody's and nobody's at the same time.

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    2. Re:About time by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure privatization of LAND was a good idea (I have a great many ancestors on one side of the family that would consider the privatization of land to be the single stupidest idea that the White Man brought to America). It has lead to hoarding and a large number of homeless people. Why do you think the privatization of the airwaves will be any different?

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    3. Re:About time by k4_pacific · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At least with "public ownership" you can vote, hold office, campaign, and otherwise affect policy. With private ownership, you are pretty much SOL if things aren't going your way and you don't have the purchasing power to make a difference.

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    4. Re:About time by Xiph · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because private ownership is so much better?
      The problem with private ownership of the bandwidths will in my opinion be that it hampers innovation by anyone else but those who own the bandwidth. And you will rely on that one vendor for producing anything within the bandwidths they own.
      This does not pose a problem in itself though, but my guess is that a few big companies will obtain ownership of an unproportionally large portion of the bandwidth(s) to monopolize certain types of services.
      Remember we're not just talking the transistor radio frequencies but the entire non-military range of frequencies.

      soon in the news: Berlusconi's Italy follows ofcom example and ...

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    5. Re:About time by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Kohath quoth:

      ...you can buy your own.


      Not bloody likely given the billions (with a 'B') probably needed to control a block of spectrum at a high power output(see sales of wireless spectrum that occurred in U.S. earlier this year).

      I doubt they will let Joe Blow buy a particular range of spectrum for low-power use in the few miles surrounding his abode. Low power spectrum, as established recently in the U.S. is having problems due to bleed over from nearby stations - endangering business models for the small guys.

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    6. Re:About time by mpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no reason for the airwaves to be publicly owned. "Public ownership" of a resource means that all decisions about a resouce have to occur in the context of politics.

      Private corporations are no less political than governments. Indeed it may be a worst situation, since the political positions of corporations may be rather less obvious than those of political parties...

      If the group that wants censorship has more votes than the group that doesn't want censorship, then there'll be censorship.

      It would probably be fairer to decide issues such as censorship by ballot than by bribary. That would be a change from the status quo anyway, where a minority appear to have great power to censor things regardless of what the majority might think.

  8. Over here by ch-chuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure Clear Channel would make a great replacement for the FCC.

    But seriously - how do you create a fair competitive market environment for all while treading the line between fascist govt control and private industry monopolization. As much as our politico's thump the podium about 'free markets' they simply allow single entities to get away with abuse of an advantage to corner entire winner-take-all markets that's anything but free.

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  9. Applause by ggeezz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think we have to applaud them on this move. The current regulations and allotments of the FCC are severely holding back wireless technology in the US. If only a few antiquated technologies were put out to pasture we could have high-speed wireless connections that weren't line-of-site and whose ranges weren't severely hampered. Not to mention a slew of other ideas that can't make it off the ground because existing (mis)uses of spectrum don't allow enough bandwidth for innovation.

    By the way, the existing telephone and media companies love the fact that this situation is hampering new innovations. Only time will tell if the UK's decision is a step in the right direction, but at least it's a step.

  10. Re:Great idea... by Snart+Barfunz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly - just look at the BBC still broadcasting in mono to steam powered bakelite radios. Privatising them would force them to embrace new technology like TV, digital radio and the web.

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  11. Re:stagnate by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The UK government has the ability to seize back the privatised items if they are convinced that the privatisation was not successful longterm.

    Newsflash: most governments, but especially the US' and the UK's these days, are corrupt and owned by the very corporations they should be controlling and regulating. Didn't you ever ask yourself why the railways are still privatised after all these years when any moron can see it's a certified disaster? Well, that's why...

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  12. Re:Great idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If BT was publicly run we'd still be using the same old telephone lines, paying the same rates for phone calls, and using some horrible hack for our internet access like ADSL. Whereas now it's private it's got competition from all those other major telephone companies. No wait, my mistake, there aren't any other major telephone companies. Still we've got OFTEL to stop them abusing their position to stifle competition. No wait, my bad, they don't.

  13. Re:Great idea... by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is the BBC interested in keeping up with the times? Ah competition, that would be it. There are other stations which everyone would watch if BBC wasn't interesting enough (in a relative sense. I know, it's British TV we're talking about here.) Anyway, a publicly owned BT would be a monopoly, since it's hard enough to have a competing phone company even without a government owned monopoly. I highly doubt they would realistically allow for a competitor, so they would have every excuse to stagnate and become someone's political empire where they could hire their friends into cushy guaranteed government jobs.

  14. Re:Great idea... by Wanderer2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    but what incentives (I assume financial) are there to encourage the BBC to chase ratings?

    If the BBC's ratings fall away, it becomes harder and harder to justify the license fee we pay them. Every few years, the government renews the charter that, amongst other things, gives the BBC authority to collect fees. If the BBC was unpopular, the government wouldn't find it hard to alter the charter at the next renewal. One major incentive is their continued existance!

    Of course, they can't go too far. One of the other parts of the charter is their commitment to public service broadcasting. There's no point in us paying the fee if all we get for it is Simpsons repeats. A totally populist schedule might gain big ratings but would draw massive criticism. The BBC is often accused of dumbing down too much.

    The key, as ever, is a balance between ratings-winners and 'worthwhile' programming.

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  15. Re:630nm? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since I'm talking about colors, I'm referring to color temperature, which humans typically associate as cool->warm as blue->red. You're talking about energy, in which 400nm (violet) is more energetic than 700nm (red). You'll have to get the other poster to defend and explain their claim to green, destroying the humor of their own joke.

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  16. Re:Private = Better, More Expensive by t_allardyce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd disagree, if its a vital system (eg the London Underground) then i'd rather know that every penny of my overpriced ticket and taxes went into either the wages of someone who actually did a useful job there or just back into the system. Why would I want anyone making a profit off of that when the government could do it without paying for someones yacht? Why would a private company be able to do any better? if the government is doing a crap job its because they have crap people managing the system: fire them and get someone who has a clue. Plus who is more likely to cut corners so they can get more money? a) someone who owns the private company and only has to answer to a few government quotas or b) someone who has been apointed by the government and gets a fixed salary to get the bloody system working and doesnt get to keep the profit. I really don't understand what a private company can do to any system that the government, with properly apointed people can't?

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  17. HAM Radio Beware!!! by Thecarpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Believe it! What we can count on is that if the bandwidth isn't being used, it is in jeapardy of being taken, or in this case, sold to the highest bidder. Nothing like whoring out your hobby just because you can't replenish your numbers quickly enough. This is:
    1)a wakeup call to amateurs to get active using the bandwidth they have and recruiting new HAMS to the hobby to do the same, and
    2)a wakeup call to radio manufacturers to get their pricing competitive, get their technology out of the vaccuum tube days (I know it's digital, but there is more technology in a PDA than in any radio - how difficult would it be to add flash memory and a basic OS to an HT...honestly) and pursue technology that interacts with today's world.

    Otherwise, we will end up reading about ourselves in history books and crying on each others' shoulders in Denny's because we can no longer freely talk about complete nonsense between storm nets. - W9BSH