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POWER Processors, SMT and the True Origins of AI

Crow writes "IBM developerWorks has posted an interview with John McCalpin, one of the guys who works on the POWER line of processors. He discusses work on POWER5 (and how the design process works at IBM -- he's also involved in work on the POWER7) and defends the decision that IBM doesn't hand-tune their ICs (as has often been criticized on Ars Technica. Also covers some of the features in the POWER processors, like SMT, the Hypervisor and virtualization -- even addresses the question of whether AIX was designed by space aliens or not. The POWER5 just broke the 3 million transactions per minute barrier on the TPC-C benchmark."

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  1. AI by jbloggs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where's the bit on the true origins of AI?

    1. Re:AI by shadow303 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that was supposed to be AIX instead of AI.

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  2. Aliens, IBM, and AIX oh my! by infinite_improbabili · · Score: 5, Funny

    dW: That is a shame. I have one more on the subject of OSes -- was AIX really designed by space aliens?
    McCalpin: I hadn't heard that one. It feels like it was designed by, [not space aliens, but] in some part by people with mainframe backgrounds..."

    Apparently the aliens have embedded mind control in AIX!

  3. Comp Eng at IBM by KingOfTheNerds · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I worked recently as a contractor for IBM where I helped contribute to the design decisions for the POWER7. This article is great because it describes how the design decisions happen at IBM and it is right on the money. It's interesting because the way IBM does it is different from most other companies.

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    1. Re:Comp Eng at IBM by pohl · · Score: 5, Informative

      Though your skepticism may be warranted, it appears that you have no understanding of what it means to work on a large team engineering effort. The article mentions in the first paragraph that there are hundreds of engineers working on the POWER processors. Wouldn't cooperation be an essential aspect of making that work? Do you think everybody stands around sucking their thumb while one hotshot at the top makes the design decisions? It's more likely that experimentation and lively debates lead to design decisions, don't you think?

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  4. Vector supercomputers vs clusters by CaptKilljoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A good quote to break out when people claim that cluster supercomputers are "better" than vector supercomputers (when they're really two different types of systems with differing strengths that can't be directly compared):

    >McCalpin: The majority of high-end systems are used for throughput workloads of one kind or another. The vector machines, both from NEC and Cray(TM), are very well-liked by the end users because vectorization is a relatively easy thing to understand, how to write code that will vectorize. And the machines -- with relatively little effort -- give you a good utilization, you'll get a good fraction of the peak theoretical performance without a whole lot of work. And customers find that comforting. You put the code on there, you get 35% of the theoretical peak performance and you say, "Well, that's pretty good and I don't need to mess with it anymore."

    On the machines that IBM sells and that HP sells and AMD(TM) and all of the others, the costs are much lower, but it's harder to get very high utilization on those machines, in part because they don't have so much expensive memory bandwidth. So there's an interesting discrepancy between the end users who love vector machines because they're easy to use and then the purchasing manager who doesn't like vector machines because they cost too much.

  5. Re:O God by putaro · · Score: 3, Funny

    I used to have cards that read "Speaker to Disk Drives" as my title when I was at Apple.

  6. POWER and desktop computing by user9918277462 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The IBM POWER line (including PPC) is the one and only true threat to Intel's dominance of the hardware market. Remember that AMD pays royalties to Intel for every chip it sells, which pretty much condemns them to permanent second-place competitor.

    Once the PPC 970 (or some successor) starts shipping in commodity beige boxes, however, the entire marketplace will be turned upside down. Can you imagine buying the generic equivalent of a dual proc G5 for $600? Sweet.

    1. Re:POWER and desktop computing by zpok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Suppose a 90% Windows marketshare - and be very nice and political and give Linux and the Mac each 5%.

      So what you mean is the whole Linux 5% would switch over to PPC beige boxes?

      Considering the fact they already can today (well, beige is a bit out of the question, but Linux on PPC is a definite - and pretty cool - option today, and there's always Darwin, BSD and related options) don't you think that even a 5% increase of PPC's is far-fetched in this scenario?

      Or is Windows supposed to support IBM chips suddenly?

      Seriously, am I missing something?

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