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Switching to Contracting?

SoonToBeWorking asks: "I recently did a telephone interview for what I thought would be an absolutely wonderful job. It is primarily embedded Linux, with a stable employer that was less than 10 miles from my residence. The interview went extremely well, until the end. The position was listed as full-time but they want me to come on as contractor because the approval is easier to get. Then, I am told they would move me to full-time. I'm recently married, and looking for stable income because I have more than myself to look out for now (kids are not present or on the way for several years yet). I've never contracted before, so I am in unfamiliar territory. I hear a lot of good things -- 3-day work weeks and crazy amounts of money, but is the lack of stability worth it? I know I need my own health & life insurance, but what else? How do I convert my base salary to a contractor rate? Without a 401k or a 403b, how do I take care of retirement?"

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  1. Equally instable by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What a timing! I'm recently thinking of moving from permanent employment to contract works, not that I don't enjoy my current income, but the inability to do something else in the quiet period (unlke Google which allows employees to work 1 day a week on their own hobby/project) is a killer. I'm a developer and all I want is to develop/create things, not sitting around waiting 3 months for PHB to approve a 8-week project.

    I'm also thinking of my future income and lifestyle. Contractors seem to have more exposures to different industry/management styles, I hope to be more in-demand with such exposures, and through word-of-mouth, as long as you did good in the previous jobs, it shouldn't be too hard to find another contract. Your permanent employer probably wouldn't do word-of-mouth for you to many others.

    And let's not be fooled into thinking you have a stable job by being "permanently" employed. You're only employed as permanently as the required notice period, 4 weeks maybe?

    1. Re:Equally instable by avdp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny, where I work (I am a contractor there) the full time employees were the first to go in those belt tightening times. You see, we contractors are just overhead. We're like the ream of paper next to the printer. We don't count. PHB's seem to look at "how many employees do we have?" and we don't show up in that column. We're invisible in many ways. It is definetely an advantage when they're looking for heads to cut.

  2. don't do it! by danielrose · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been contracting for the last 5 years..
    With the company I am presently with, for 2 years. They constantly dangle the "full time" carrot, but never deliver. I've found this with every place I have contracted, they talk the talk, but make excuses when its time to pay up on promises.

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    i hate pansy republicans
  3. Retirement saving is better by gorbachev · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's a number of different options for independent contractors as regards to retirements savings. You can actually save more than an employee as an independent contractor. You can put 25% of their income up to $41K / year into a retirement savings account.

    The Google keywords are: independent contractor retirement savings.

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    In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
  4. Re:Run... by phaire · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Depends on the job. Most contracts I've taken have been short-term for almost that reason: if you don't work out, they want to be able to get rid of you.

    If you're right for the job, then chances are the contract will be extended (depending on what kind of job it is). I've never had a contract that only lasted as long as the initial duration, and about half of them have lead to full time positions.

  5. Just do it... by p.rican · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Be your own boss (kinda) while you dont have the worry of kids hanging over your head.

    Dont be fooled into thinking that a non-contractor position is any safer than being a contractor.

    The market is still brutal and there is no loyalty anymore between corporations and their employees. I would take the position in a heartbeat.

    Good Luck!

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    /. --"Demented and sad....but social" -Judd Nelson

    1. Re:Just do it... by freakshowsam · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've been contracting for the past 5 years as well. I've found it is better to be a contractor if you work for the right agency. Most agencies take between 25%-60% of your revenues for doing nothing but sending a bill out and writing you a check. Seriously take a look at PACE. P.A.C.E. stands for Professional Association of Contract Employees. PACE is a Virtual Corporate Back Office, Revenue & Expense Tracking, and the Best Benefits Package Available to ANY Contract Professional ANYWHERE in the USA. PACE also produces the contract employee's newsletter that has some valuable information for any contract employee. PACE bills the client for me and sends me the check. They do have a small 5% service fee, but it is well worth the benefits. PACE has also authored the The Contract Employee's Handbook. The handbook is a MUST read for anyone considering contracting. You might also check the PACE Agency Conversion Payroll Spreadsheet for more information. Be sure to tell them that Damon sent you ! --freak

    2. Re:Just do it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      I've been working via PACE for the last 3+ years. Not only do they let you keep the money you make (small 5% fee), they do ALL the paperwork and invoicing.

      But the reason I'll be staying with PACE as long as I can find the work, is the benefits. The 401(k) plan is awesome. Every year, I max out my personal cap midway through the year (~10k USD), and on top of that PACE has an unbelievable company match, so good that I can get another 10k in as company match. They also provide insurance paid 100% from your division funds, and not with your after tax dollars.

      Highly recommend going with PACE! If you don't say Damon sent you, then you can tell them Ryan sent you. ;)

      --Ryan

  6. Been a contactor for 10 years. No big deal... by wernst · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is going to be short since I need to get back to work. (heh heh heh)

    Contracting usually requires dilligence and pro-activeness, plus a willingness to take care of the details of an employer (since you are really employing yourself here), but the benefits (sometimes) include a better hourly rate compared to employees, and MUCH more flexibility. If you combine all these traits and pick up other smaller contracts to fill up any extra time you have, you'll earn that much more (remember, YOU are the employer, and YOU can tell your employees -- you-- that it's OK to moonlight, even during "working hours.")

    First, the boring and annoying stuff. Get an individual health plan for yourself and employees. Kaiser, Blue Cross, and others offer good coverage and good prices. (My Kaiser coverage is much better than my salaried co-workers at one big company.) Check with an independant insurance broker for other options. There are many.

    Invest for retirement with an IRA, Sep IRA, or Roth IRA. Don't know about these things? OK, see a financial advisor too.

    My Advisor is also my tax guy, which is a good thing, because the Income Taxes get a LOT more complicated too as a contractor. If you're "employer" isn't withholding, then *YOU* need to do it yourself. On the other hand, there are MANY more legal deductions you can make for equipment, work space, classes, books, office supplies and such. You REALLY need a tax guy to guide you.

    Now for the good stuff. Because you don't get sick days, vacation days, benefits, or "stability" (but in my experience, salaried employees are just as likely to be layed off as contracters when the shit hits the fan in a company. YMMV), you must DEMAND a better pay rate than salaried employees. I'd say at least 15%, but shoot for as much more as you can get.

    Since you're not an employees, negotiate the ability to work at home X days a week, if possible. Don't abuse the privilege if you can get it. Being home makes up for a lot of the loss of other things.

    Consider taking other consulting jobs on the side sometimes. Make that experience you have really pay.

    Make sure your terms of employment give you the rights to develop professional ideas outside teh office. Previous slashdot articles cover this. Remember that the limitations imposed on salaried employees SHOULD NOT APPLY TO YOU in exachange for the lack of stability.

    Well, that's just off the top of my head.

    I like contacting so much that I've turned down salaraied positions at the companies I've contracted for. If you like the flexibity, then the work is worth it, but note that you probably won't advance up the ranks of the company as a contractor. If this is important to you, then you need to negotiate that up front, or don't be a contractor.

  7. Contracting has a lot of cons - beware. by m101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Being a succesful contractor is a lot of hard work and can be very expensive, particularly in your first year. If you're serious about going down this path, seriously think about the following:

    1. Incorporate yourself into a company
    The last thing you want is employeers/customers coming after your and your families personal assets

    2. Insurance
    Many companies require Professional Indemnity & Public Liability insurance. For the young & inexpirienced, this can be very expensive - recent PI insurance for us was more than $6000.

    3. Training
    Once you're a contractor, you are generally responsible for paying all your own (re)training costs. In the short term this mightn't be an issue but it is something that should be considered nonetheless

    4. Working Harder
    You will work harder as a contractor. Seriously. Because contract rates are more expensive and generally because you work on specific tasks (ie write system X), you MUST show a positive return on investment.

    5. No real job security
    Everytime you a contract finishes it's like a job interview all over again - sometimes you could go without another contract that suits your skills/needs for extended periods. which leads me to this point...

    6. CASH FLOW
    If you ignore everything else in this message, at least take note of this: You may not have a regular income. Cashflow management is essential.

    You need to make sure that you've got at least 1 months salary set asside in the bank for times between projects, times when your payments are late because you submitted timesheet too late/nobody authorized your payment, etc. IT HAPPENS. Don't get caught short.

    As somebody who has been a full time employee (FTE), a contract employee and an employeer (plug: http://www.pstcompactor.com/ ) I can honestly say that being a FTE provides the greatest of securities... it is easier to let contractors go than FTE's.

    Hope you find some wisdom in my ramblings.

    1. Re:Contracting has a lot of cons - beware. by zuzulo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The other big thing to remember about contracting is that you have to charge enough to live - the best rule of thumb for me (handed down from a truly old hand at the contracting business) has been to take my hourly salary as an employee and multiply it by a factor of 2.5x - 3x to get my hourly rate as a contractor. This takes into account medical, retirement planning issues, corporate overhead, and hot and cold job cycles.

      Sounds like a lot early on, but you quickly realize how much of that pay differential is essential to maintaining a comparable quality of life.

      Keep really good time sheets, and be sure to document all of the work you do. Very different from being a full time employee, since frequently the client will never see you doing any work at all. Good hourly and daily logs really go a long way to show you and your client what you are doing to earn your keep. This is in addition to coming through with the contract deliverables in a timely fashion, of course. ;-)

      Another thing to realize is that if you are a successful contractor, you are almost certainly going to get offers for full time employment from satisfied clients. Think long and hard ahead of time about if you are interested in full time employment, and if so which clients you would be willing to work for and which you would not. Figure out how to tactfully decline prospective employment offers you are not interested in.

      Know when to cut your losses with a specific client. Some clients are more trouble than they are worth, and often young contractors carry poor clients for far too long before cutting them loose. It is hard to let a paying client go, but freqently in the long term a problem client will cost far more in emotional distress and work disruptions than they are bringing in financially. Figure out how to cut problem clients out gracefully.

      Get someone competent to handle billing. I cannot overstate the importance of this. You might be lucky enough to have a part time bookkeeper who will be willing to handle this for you. Do *not* assume that you are going to be as good at this as you are at doing what you are paid to do. You most likely will not be. heh.

      Unfortunately, you are most likely going to have to learn most of these things the hard way ...

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      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
  8. Tax withholding and the IRS (Form SS-8) by holt_rpi · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's no secret that lots of businesses like to unfairly take advantage of employees by calling them "independent contractors." I've worked for several bosses who have done just that.

    The problem is that unless you're a principal or spend ridiculous amounts of money on work expenses, it's almost impossible to ever come up with enough dough to cover the 40% of your salary that you're going to lose in self-employment tax, let alone surpass the standard deduction.

    The IRS has a pretty good outline of how to properly differentiate between employees and contractors (under the IRC) here.

    Also, take a look at this PDF form from the IRS. It has the same series of questions, and can be filed with the IRS for a determination (even after the fact) if you should have been counted as an IC or employee for tax purposes. They can then demand that an employer pay the proper amount of your taxes, and give you a refund for what you've (improperly) paid.

    There's a three year statute of limitations on filing the SS-8 form with the IRS, though, so just be aware. It's all on the 4th and 5th pages of the form.

    Disclaimer: None of this is legal advice. Tax laws are weird and very fact-specific. If you need a solid answer, ask a qualified attorney or accountant or something. You could even ask Dave Barry. He has a blog.

  9. Wise old contract employee by xs650 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A wise old contract employee who worked for me 20 some years ago said:

    "Bill, we're all temporary employees here, it's just that only some of us know it."

  10. Re:Career? by DenDave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You should carefully weigh what you feel. Do you have a natural drive or are you more interested in things outside your sphere of work? If you have the need to charge forward and can self-motivate then, assuming you have decent social skills, you could probably make yourself a better living as a contractor. As for your questions about health and retirement I would suggest you check with a local expert. Perhaps your bank or your lawyer could point you in the right direction. That direction, of course, is a decent accountant (similar to a geek but it doesn't count in binary, it counts in $).

    What is important to remember is that you really will need to have good social skills, I have seen so many "coders" try to go independant and fail because they think that they can just "geek" their way through.. uh uh uh... nope, wear that suit and articulate properly, yes, go for aftershave! As an independant, YOU are the executive and you must look the part. I cannot stress this enough!!

    Good luck and Go get 'em tiger!

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