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Steve Ballmer's $100 PC, Sans Windows
Martin_Flory writes "SolarPC has announced the $100 personal computer. Steve Ballmer's idea for reducing piracy was great after all, since this computer runs on Linux (DSL Distro). 'The design and construction of the SolarLite is consistent with the goal of an environmentally friendly computer. It uses a lightweight, recyclable, aluminum case that has a 20-year warranty. Its VIA chipset based "long-life" motherboard is a "green" lead free product. Like all SolarPC computers, the SolarLite operates on 12 volt DC power and can be run from a solar panel, car battery, or human powered (with a bicycle-based generator). The cool and quiet SolarLite uses approximately 10 watts of energy, just a fraction of what a standard PC consumes.' Sounds amazing right? This could change education all around the globe... a new Information Era is coming, and everyone is invited." The site claims they'll be available next month (minimum order 100,000 units), and promises a demo at SCALE 2005.
I assume that's for reseller or distributor ordering...I don't know of many places that ever order computers 100,000 at a time....
using flash drives....whats the lifespan on these given ther write limits on the drives...
Can I get even one piece of useful information pertaining to the actual performance of this thing?
-BMojo
That's probably just their temporary Slashdot site.
Have you read my blog lately?
Assuming this is like their other PCs, a power supply is not included. So unless you already have your own 12V DC source handy, you're going to be spending more than $100.
Still, a nice deal assuming it has decent specs.
This could be the ultimate Automotive PC. You need some USB, and some firewire would be ideal but is not required. A GPS hung off the USB bus would be excellent, and you could connect a camera to the system the same way. I realize that linux navigation is not yet here but when it is I want to be ready.
If that screen is available in a touch version for less than three hundred dollars, and the system has enough processing power to, say, play a fullscreen MPEG4 video, then I'll buy at least one, and probably two. (If I can buy the screen and the overlay for three hundred bucks, same thing.) I can't imagine them omitting USB which means I can get wireless ethernet at suitable rates for my purposes.
One of the largest problems in automotive computing is handling the power in the vehicle. With a computer that runs on twelve volts DC, all you need is a simple regulated power supply with some filtering in order to protect the machine and provide it with adequate power. You can of course buy the stuff off the shelf for not too much money. It's also a serious benefit that it's so small, as it will fit well up under the dash where it will be difficult to steal :)
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This would be a truly bitchen little file server/print server. If the system boots from a read-only CF, but uses an external USB2 drive as the shareable space and home for the print queue, it would be splendid.
You really don't need that much horsepower to serve files/print queues. Hell, a 486 can do that without breaking a sweat.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
Just a word Hamsters lots of them, the best and one of the cheapest power sources available, just imagine a couple of hamsters in their exercise wheels powering your new 100$ computer.
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And it seems that they've already imagined a beowolf cluster of their products: solarpc.com/beowulf.html
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If you really want environmentally friendly computers, why can't more be done to improve reuseability. From experience working in locations where it isn't easy to get laptops and PC's repaired, the following would be useful:
1. Laptops in which the screens have a video-in socket. This would allow the screen of a functioning laptop to allow the use of a laptop with a broken backlight/display.
2. Having LCD backlights which could be replaced without having to take apart the entire display.
(I personally had this experience with a laptop repair shop - the PC was completely dead because the invertor had fried; the technician told me nothing could be done. Unplugging the invertor and using an external monitor allowed the PC to start up normally).
3. Have the motherboard of a PC in it's own slot - replacing a motherboard wouldn't require dissassembling the entire system. Many users seem happy to throw out a perfectly usable power-supply, cooling fans, chassis and frame, network, audio and video cards just because the motherboard has fried.
4. With new video cards coming out every six months, and the availabilty of chipsets in the MXM form factor for laptops, would it be possible to design desktop video cards so that the memory chips, and GPU could be inserted/removed individually, rather than having to buy a completely new chip but with exactly the same circuit board.
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This is what happens in a free market, with enough competitors properly funded to actually work in the market. The production quantities over it's lifetime on a pc chipset are HUGE, typical orders running in the 100K units range, and those orders will repeat. Early in thier run, new chips demand a premium, companies can quickly amortize the development costs off against the early run on a given chip. Once that's done, they can supply into the market with very slim margins, and still be profitable because the numbers get staggeringly huge. Since there are multiple vendors of a 'motherboard chipset', a large volume motherboard producer can, and will, have a bidding war between them to determine which chipset is used on a given motherboard design. You can bet your last dollar, Via, Intel, Nvidia and the rest will all get out the pencil sharpener when Asus comes looking for a quote. A design win with Asus will justify the entire chipset line.
Back in the 80's, there was only one supplier of x86 processors into the pc marketplace. Processors were EXPENSIVE by today's standards. The mac with it's 68K processor was threatening to become a serious player, then the clones in x86 space started to show up. pricing in the x86 market started to reflect cost of production rather than 'what the market will bear'. The rest is history, and now we have single chip integrated systems, because they are ultimately cheaper to produce in quantity, even tho the engineering costs up front are staggering.
On the software side of the equation, this type of competition has not happened, mostly because parts are not interchangeable. You can swap an ati video out of a machine and toss in an Nvidia. You cannot swap a windows program out, and swap in it's linux equivalent. Competetive pricing on software, based on 'cost of manufacture' rather than 'what the market will bear' will only happen when the predominant components can be interchanged. In the hardware world this is done by using common signalling on standard bus. In software, it's only going to happen if there is common and interchangeable api systems, and the common api ends up with the lions share of the market. From a software vendor point of view today, the only common api to work with is the Win32 api.
It's in the hardware vendors best interest to undermine the cost of software. they have known this for years, but they are currently hostage to the Win32 api to sell hardware. Software vendors are in the same boat. The real solution to a free market, is to have an alternative vendor from which to purchase the Win32 api for deployment on new machines, or for both hardware and software vendors to settle on an alternative api. Neither of these are going to happen in the short term. If the Win32 api remains single vendor, single source, it's inevitable the market will migrate to an alternative, but, it may take 2 more generations (people generations, not those 18 month hardware generations). Any time you do a product in the design phase, a major consideration is the risk attached to single source components. In today's market, the risk/reward equations favour the single vendor Win32 solution. Eventually, the market will abandon the single source solution, but, that wont happen till the risk/reward equations come up in favour of the alternative.
And as the production lines just keep running, every first-world sale at $150 could subsidize a $50 half-price unit for countries that could otherwise hardly afford one even at $100.
I agree with your assesment.
I guess it's lucky that Linux is begining to boom while the win32 api is about to be written out of exsitance by MSFT. Lognhorn is supposed to kill off the iwn32 api and replace it. My guess is that is why they bought Virtual PC, so that they could run windows inside of longhorn.
Also hardware manufactors have been replacing hardware tasks with software ones inside windows for years. I think that is part of the reason for such buggy drivers, as they are trying to do to much in software and not enough in hardware. If the Hardware did the really hard work, of communications then the software would be more reliable.
Of course the opposite is the MSFT way.
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Slashdot has been quick to dismiss Windows XP Starter Edition as a competitor, localized and with a lot of help for first time users. Screenshots of SE suggest a very clean and attractive GUI.
Microsoft is well known and accepted at street level in the third world, something an eastern buyer has to consider when commiting to a million-dollar purchase. I am not convinced that Linux is the right marketing decision for the SolarPC, however big the PR win in the western Linux press, where nothing is at risk.
(This assumes that you can read from the flash chips as much as you want, without wearing them out... hopefully that is the case)
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