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Hong Kong's High-Tech Technology Incubator

Austin Huggins writes "The BBC is reporting on a new hi-tech complex built in Hong Kong to attract tech businesses. 'It has taken four years to build and comes complete with a hi-tech hotel, apartments, shops and services.' And they have a 100 mbs network to boot." As the article points out, Hong Kong has a suddenly harder time keeping ahead of booming cities in mainland China.

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  1. It's simpossible! by Dominatus · · Score: 2, Funny

    And if Hong Kong becomes popular enough, it launches into space!

  2. Re:Wow by isny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that millibits? Man, and I thought 300bps was slow.

  3. basically.... by ikea5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's just a fancy name for whole bunch of office buildings wired togther with gigabit ethernet.

    1. Re:basically.... by JPriest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Our network is running at 100 megabits a second, which is 10 times faster than normal broadband connections" And also 10 times slower than GigE. It took them 4 years to build it, GigE equipment was expensive back then.

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  4. 100 Mbit/s connection by Searinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's as much as a normal server in a datacenter has o.O

  5. Why Hong Kong by mordors9 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why go there just for the bandwidth, when they can locate their factory in mainland China and enjoy the benefits of genuine slave labor.

    1. Re:Why Hong Kong by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Why go there just for the bandwidth, when they can locate their factory in mainland China and enjoy the benefits of genuine slave labor.

      I can get the benefits of genuine slave labor at Walmart.

      Is it a surprise that Hong Kong would have trouble "keeping up" with anyone in China? The one thing you can count on with a Communist government is that "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine." Any factory run by any party boss is going to have everything anyone in Hong Kong has and resources no one in Hong Kong can touch. That more people are getting a taste of the fruits of their labors in China in no way makes them free or the government any less corrupt.

      Hong Kong, under the UK, was a showcase of unregulated capitalism. That's amazing, when you consider the nasty way the UK taxes it's own citizens to death and beyond. It's demise under the Chinese is as inevitable as it's wealth and prowess was under the UK.

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    2. Re:Why Hong Kong by xstein · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you ever been to Hong Kong?

      Hong Kong is still a beautiful showcase of unregulated capitalism. Hong Kong still has the most free market in the world. Not only are there no signs of this changing, but we're legally prohibited from doing so in the next 42 years.

      Being Beijing's little brother isn't exactly the worst thing to be. We serve as a port to Greater China, and don't have to worry about silly things like defense budgets.

    3. Re:Why Hong Kong by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hong Kong, under the UK, was a showcase of unregulated capitalism.

      The company town is a showcase of "unregulated capitalism" as well.

      "Unregulated capitalism" has no minimum wage, no safety codes, no labeling requirements.

      You think a 40 hour work week is bad? That's the best the socialists could get from the capitalists at the time, and now we're *undoing* that progress!

      Your post is overly simplistic. There's no such thing as "unregulated capitalism" in practice. That doesn't mean certain capitalistic ideals aren't important, just that to pretend it's a real thing, and an all-good thing, leads one to ignore better options, or even just non-imaginary options, simply because they are socialist or democratic in nature.

  6. All the digital content you can eat by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The main focus currently is on creators, managers and deliverers of digital content, because that's where we see the big niche for Hong Kong going forward."

    So, basically what he's saying is that is a complex for creators of CGI Chop Socky?

    KFG

    1. Re:All the digital content you can eat by xstein · · Score: 5, Informative

      Credentials first: I work at Cyberport in Hong Kong.

      The idea behind this complex isn't purely the technological benefits, such as bandwidth, etc, but the fact that all of our tech companies are housed in one complex.

      Hong Kong is a fairly large city, and when you throw into the mix the fact that many firms are now moving their offices further north to Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Shanghai, Cyberport offers a definte advantage in terms of helping consolidate the various tech and tech-related firms. Using the cited example, creators of digital content are given an incentive to house their operations at Cyberport as they can have all required outside work done by firms within 3 minutes walk of their offices--whilst I'm not familiar with digital content creation, I'd imagine they have things like packaging done out of house.

      This is essentially taking the Silicon Valley concept one step further in that all firms are literally in the same building. The hotels help accomodate to multinational companies that have foreign executives come in for meetings and to house guests for seminars.

  7. Not supprised by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Asians have done great technological strides in recent decades. Already, in the US, the best cars, televisons, computers and their monitors radios and phones are made in Asia. Multimedia effort bore fruit in Asia long ago...we in the US are just beginning to see what can be done in this field. The problem is, when an implementation is made, we brag about it. The Asians are working like the Russians - they never brag. When one visits Tokyo, a realization comes to fact that US cities are far behind.

    Services too are being outsorced to Asia. Naturally research dollars will follow. This can only be bad for American students.

    Toyota, in just decades is at the fore-front of the car industry already. This is a company that made a car 40 years after Ford and GM. Contrast that with GM, the alleged giggest car producer. You will go to every continent and find Toyota in good numbers, but not for GM. Now, Ford has been replaced by Toyota. GM will be next.

    Having lived in a number of Asian countries, I can attest to the fact that Asians are simply driven to succeed. They will pirate/copy and do anything to get to where they have to. Sometimes, their respective governments support them.

    Pretty soon, the Asian block will be in position to threaten "economic sanctions" on the US. After all, even the flu-shot vaccine will soon be Asian made.

    My beloved country USA will be left with rhetoric as the only means to apply influence arround the world.

    Open source will not help us that much because already, M$'s influence is already on the decline at least in Asia.

    Where is America's edge left?

    1. Re:Not supprised by selderrr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      okay, i'm going to say something incredibly naive now :

      so what ?

      It's not like the US (or EU, where I live) somehow becomes a minority population all of a sudden ! We will become a less influent factor in the world economics. Probably behind Asia, but in front of South America or Africa. We will stop being cutting edge on quite a few domains. But it is not like as if somehow we'll have to live on water and bread. Maybe, just maybe, the asian uprising is a small step towards global leveling of powers (okay, that was really naive. Forget I just said that). People should stop thinking that the asians are taking away our lives. They are just taking away some of the luxuries that we didn't have an exclusive on anyway. Get over it. Grow up. Be happy, not jaleous

    2. Re:Not supprised by aminorex · · Score: 2, Funny

      You want to see a better system? Look at just about any country Europe, Canada, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, hell even PRC. I'll bitch plenty. I do resent paying one cent to a government that uses my labor to fund their atrocities. Fuck those fascist plutocrats and fuck their fraudulent system of governance.

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  8. What the hell is wrong with BBC/Slashdot? by fussili · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cyberport is a MASSIVE waste of government money and worse still was just a large luxury building contract HANDED OVER to everyone's favourite Hong Kong cartel.

    Anyone from Hong Kong reading this report is currently laughing their ass off at the idea that this is somehow indicative of Hong Kong 'racing ahead'. Cyberport was nothing more or less than a gigantic gift to Li Ka Shing's estate (via his son the ever popular Richard Li).

    I bet you guys think our partially state-owned Disney land is a good idea too. Seriously, if you like this stuff you can have Chief Executive Tung Che Hwa. Please, take him!

    1. Re:What the hell is wrong with BBC/Slashdot? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative

      The BBC story exclusively quoted govt spokesmen and boosters of Cyberport. Cyberport is an admitted huge white elephant and example of crony capitalism and what's wrong with the HK government -- just Google for [cyberport "white elephant"]. Every big new project now routinely has to face the question "Will this be another Cyberport?" It's basically a big sweetheart deal with billionaire property developers, the Li family, who got a dirt cheap deal on prime land to build luxury housing, without having to put up tenders, by allocating some area to "hi tech", and installing the aforementioned network and such (not a big deal for a new development here or most other places I'd imagine). Since Richard Li also runs the local Telecom PCCW, this was actually a money earner for him.

  9. Until the local population... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Until the local population develops respect for intellectual property, I don't expect much to happen...

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    1. Re:Until the local population... by didiken · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >Until the local population develops respect
      >for intellectual property, I don't expect much
      >to happen...

      Are you referring to your friends happily running Kazaa downloading tunes in USA/Canada as well?

    2. Re:Until the local population... by CaptKilljoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      >There is a distinct qualitative difference between duplicating digital content for your own private use/entertainment and duplicating IP to create goods and services to sell.

      Agreed. One is a bunch of greedy individuals leeching off of the work of others for their own benefit and the other is bunch of greedy corporations leeching off of the work of others for their own benefit.

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  10. Re:100Mbit.. by Avial · · Score: 4, Informative

    their internal network is 10Gbps, with a 1Gbps external connection according to this page: http://www.cyberport.com.hk/userdata_hkcmcl/ITT_En glish/ipn.html

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  11. Blade Runner by qualico · · Score: 2, Informative

    How about setting up a Gigabit network in that abandoned hotel set on Blade Runner.

    Looks like Asia and should be able to compete without the billion dollar 4 year price with faster networking to boot!

  12. Hong Kong: great place to work and live by Linuxathome · · Score: 2, Informative

    After hearing anecdotes about the quality of living for professionals in Hong Kong, it is getting more and more enticing for the foreign professional. If you're in the tech industry, in the biomedical sciences or even in the corporate or business law, the city definitely has it's pluses. Aside from the housing prices, the cost of living is a fraction of that in say San Franciso (or most of CA for that matter), or Boston, or Sydney, or Paris, or London. Let's say you can secure a job with the same salary as you do now, you can have housekeepers to maintain your daily living requirements at a fraction of what you'd pay in Europe, US, or otherwise. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I heard the same about foreign workers in other Chinese cities.

  13. It's already the end of high-tech in Hong Kong. by HungWeiLo · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just learned that the University of Hong Kong, the largest university in Hong Kong, has just closed its electrical engineering department due to lack of funding and enrollment. However, the Chinese University of Hong Kong still maintains its EE department.

    There's no way Hong Kong can catch up technologically with mainland China now, not without heavy academic research in new arenas of technology.

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  14. We have places like that. And they're vacant. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here in Silicon Valley, we have lots of office space with similar facilities. Available now, at low, low rents. Try $0.90/square foot for class A R&D space. The Excite@Home facility is still completely vacant. The area near Moffett Field, where SGI used to be and Google is now, has acres of vacant buildings.

    The huge new 150,000 square meter Pacific Shores Center complex still has entire buildings vacant, and it's filling up. EA and Dreamworks moved in. Shrek 2 was made there. Health club, Olympic size swimming pool, public hiking trails, baseball field, soccer field, ampitheater, cafe, day spa, and an incredible view of the San Francisco bay. Ample parking. Gigabits of bandwidth.

    Pacific Shores alone is one and a half times the size of Hong Kong's "Cyberport."

    So there.

  15. Reminds me of a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If Hong Kong Chief Executive Tung Chee Hwa, Chief Secretary Donald Tsang and Financial Secretary Henry Tang were in a boat and it turned over, who would be saved?

    Answer: The Hong Kong people

    There's been alot of coverage of the huge number of protests against the current government and it's economic policy, and the undemocratic process in which the Chief Secretary is chosen (basically a 400 man group hand-picked by Beijing chooses it for us). The Cyberport, with it's lack of transparency on the bidding process, was a hugely controversial project which did not strengthen the support of the current government at all, and it's still to be seen it's effect on boosting the economy.

  16. tech? in hk? by sewagemaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    hong kong is known as a one of the major financial capital in asia. parents raise their kids to be businessmen. almost all of them value success as in making tons of money that they'll never even get to spend. being encouraged to study in degrees of electrical engineering or computer science is very rare. lot of people on /. agree that people got into tech only because of the pre-bubble times, not because of their interest in the subject. well in hk, all you get are the bandwagon types. not making this up. i spent 10 yrs of my life there.

    it's not the educational system because math and science cirriculum is far more advance and fast paced than in canada and the US, so it's not the fault of highschool programs not preparing the kids well enough to pursue their careers in that direction.

    cyberport is mostly for IT (damn i hate that term) - and the buildings were only built for the "looks". honestly, if i want to build a startup there, let's say a fabless semiconductor company, do i really need the 100 megabits a second network? we need the CAD licenses, engineers with experience and fresh grads in EE - which are tough to get there because hong kong university recently shut down their EE department...

    another thing, people in hk always have the misconception that they are more advance in tech than north americans. all they see is that they have more variety of advance products to choose from, but it's not them that do any of the in-house design.

    all said, it's good to know that there are still people that would invest (or throw away money) for the ...um IT industry. at least after i finish my masters in electrical engineering here in canada, i'll have something to fall back on, knowing that i speak the language there...

    1. Re:tech? in hk? by AtomicBomb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The cyberport is pretty meaningless to me. There may be a need of better connected building for IT companies... But, the value added is minimal.

      In my opinion, the Hongkong Science Park is probably a smarter idea. I have friends working over there (IC design). Many firms are small start-up. Usually the access to top end equipments and chip design software are the main obstacle to them. The science park bought a bunch of tools and hire to them. In terms of software, the startups only need to drop a fiber cable to the main server room and billed by the hourly usage. The main difference is the boss... The chief of the Science Park was the local Motorola semiconductor director. Apparently, he knows what he is doing...

  17. Tech ? HK? by hermank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what ? it tooks $2b to just build a complex with 100 mb network? and it is call as 'cyberport'? and some of you just called it advanced? hope of the future of HK?

    Here is a list of reason that it is doomed fail
    . HKSAR Chief Mr Tung,
    . A group of Chief under Tung, who is racing to be next HKSAR Chief madnessly.
    . A Govt controlled by groups of short sighted property development companies, with only money in their head.

    If you add property market, with 'high speed network' and 'short sighted visioners' together, what would you come up? .. a giant video game center?

    Network infrastructure is just one tiny block of modern technological advances. It takes at lease the urge to pursuit knowledge, patience, respect to research and development, to the person who are in the way to push the technologies forward.

    All these can be easily found in various universities in US, EU... but not in HK. Why? the Govt just slashed the education budget and made radical changes in educational system that only the Chief of Education knows what is going on.

    Remember the success of Sillicon Valley? Was it a 'cyberport' before the Nobel scientist arrived?

    Korea is now getting strong in technology field. Anyone remember the days in economic crisis. The govt had cash for only 100 days operation. What turned Korea history? 'cyberport' ?

    With a government like that, even there were a 100000Mbps network, the tech in HK will just go flat.