Maybe Gigabyte only produces small number of high-end boards and/or pilot production broads in Taiwan. Therefor automation doesn't make it any cheaper nor fixable. The boards for the masses would be made in China where giant machines and endless lines of (mechanized) workers cranking out those $39.99 newegg specials. Think Rolls-Royce and Chevy.
Because you failed at distinguish between 1 or more of the followings: 1)copyrights, 2)trademarks, 3)patents. I am afrid that I have to take you slashdot/geek honer badge away.
As I've said before, it's generally the exact opposite -- you can tune for either the high end, or the low end. If you don't believe me, go ask on a car forum. But somehow I doubt you'll believe them either.
For some reason unknown that you keep suggesting I've said something to the effect that "cars cannot tune for either the high end, or the low end." Don't try to put words in my mouth. You can change the cam profile and other stuff to tune the same engine to differ char for sure. Still the engine with rated 280HP form the factory tuned for normal use is most likelly ganna have more power overall then a 150HP or 200HP or 250HP engines in most situ. Therefor it's a useful simple indication. If your dad was looking at a Viper and wowing at it's 500HP, are you still ganna act like an smartguy and tell everyone that your dad is a fool and HP meant nothing as he will never see use the full 500HP.
despite your being fooled by the marketing.
As we all know you are the established autority of car engine here. Just because you have an issue of MotorTrend or whatever mailed to your home every month does not make you the an expert.
If you're comparing a car that has a peak torque of 200 lb-ft with one that peaks at 400, then yes, the latter probably has more low-end torque as well. But in a less non-sensical comparison, where the peak torque values are similar, even slightly different engine designs can have greatly different torque curves.
gee, thanks for a such valuble insight.
At least you're capable of seeing the weakness in your own argument. Unfortunately, it's been a long time now since these were "odd designs". Manufacturers, esp. the Japanese, have been boosting peak hp, and advertising that, while keeping engine size the same. Hence they don't pull any harder. (Although they do pull longer.) Since nowadays everyone makes small OHC engines, they're all of this "odd design" -- no low-end torque to speak of, unremarkable peak torque, and a stratospheric red-line that you need to approach to wake the motor up at all. I guess they get better mileage by moving the real power generation up the rev band, away from where you drive most of the time (where an automatic transmission keeps you). It's called progress, I guess. But it definitely ain't odd anymore -- it's been commonplace for a while now.
Well is your dad talking about the s2000? Does S2000 comes with a automatic like the Lincoln? Is Lincoln a Japanese car? When your dad told you it has 280HP didn't you know that it's a 3.9L V8? 280 is an impressive number no metter how you dice it. and any car that's on the market today that's rated for over 280HP is gurranted to be fast at most engine speed no matter if it's a Japanese or US. So again, your dad should be impressived with that number. Which part don't you get it? or do I need to repeat myself again? A higher HP engine tends to be bigger and therefor torquer and more powerful overall. As your claim "Most people never even see the power their car has, but they think it's a benefit". In the LS's case the LS8's 280HP engine is certainly more powerful then the LS6's V6 with 220 HP or whatever. Is your dad ganna see that 280HP? Prolly not. Is there any benafit with the 280HP engine? what don't you answer this one?
While you are busy demonstrating your car engine expertise and trying to convince everyone that you are not the "average fool/car buyer like me and your dad". You forgot(or choose to forget) the simple fact the the 280HP engine that your dad would never need usually translate into higher torque number at lower RPM.
Horsepower = Torque X RPM / 5252 And while the toruqe curve may not be a straight line going right up to it's peak at a fix degree(it may very well be flat), it's still a good indication a engine that has a high peak torque number is likely torquer down under. Which mean yeah that 280HP actually means something. You can probly bring out someother odd design like s2000 and other crap but your dad's right. He should be and rightfully be impresesd with that 280HP. While not always ture, it's just a simple way of expressing a engine's powerfulness. Or maybe you'd prefer your dad bring out a little chart showing the curve and stuff and telling you "wow, the LS8 has this amout of tq at x rpm and looke this dyno result", rather then "son, it's got 280 hossepoowwa!".
yaeh yeah... I appreciate your little presentation with the graphs and torque curves and such and I am sure you are very impress with yourself. But you totally missed the point. As a higher HP engine tends to be bigger and therefor torquer and more powerful overall, thefor it's useful even when you are not using it at its peak output. In this case the whole 280hp may not ever be used but as a 280hp engine it means it has more torque downunder then the V6. which translate to usefullness, get it? good.
Um, except there really is a benefit with all that 280HP. The engine is more powerful porportionally at lower RPM then say a 1.6 liter engine at similar RPM. And your dad don't have to redline it and shift like crazy every green light just to keep up with traffic.
Um, it's a survey, A SURVEY!!! talk about perspective... and to quote the link "Many readers acknowledged damage or accident as the cause of failure. Dropped iPods, followed by immediate or gradual failure, are common." You are an idiot if you belive some ipods has 30% failure rates.
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Screwing legitimate users on regular basis is not a good way of doing business. eBay/PayPal.
If Sony raises the price 30min BEFORE WH's death, now that would be news.
Kohjinsha is actually a subsidiary of Inventec based out of Taiwan. Inventec designs and manufactures Kohjinsha products.
There is almost no time when I am not within sight of a clock which is why the watch I bought 20 years ago still looks new.
Obviously not a outdoors guy.
Maybe Gigabyte only produces small number of high-end boards and/or pilot production broads in Taiwan. Therefor automation doesn't make it any cheaper nor fixable. The boards for the masses would be made in China where giant machines and endless lines of (mechanized) workers cranking out those $39.99 newegg specials. Think Rolls-Royce and Chevy.
excuse me, Creative is from Singapore, not Taiwan.
I find it hard to belive that selling componenets with 1000% markup is less profitable then selling cellphones.
Because you failed at distinguish between 1 or more of the followings: 1)copyrights, 2)trademarks, 3)patents. I am afrid that I have to take you slashdot/geek honer badge away.
For some reason unknown that you keep suggesting I've said something to the effect that "cars cannot tune for either the high end, or the low end." Don't try to put words in my mouth. You can change the cam profile and other stuff to tune the same engine to differ char for sure. Still the engine with rated 280HP form the factory tuned for normal use is most likelly ganna have more power overall then a 150HP or 200HP or 250HP engines in most situ. Therefor it's a useful simple indication. If your dad was looking at a Viper and wowing at it's 500HP, are you still ganna act like an smartguy and tell everyone that your dad is a fool and HP meant nothing as he will never see use the full 500HP.
despite your being fooled by the marketing.
As we all know you are the established autority of car engine here. Just because you have an issue of MotorTrend or whatever mailed to your home every month does not make you the an expert.
If you're comparing a car that has a peak torque of 200 lb-ft with one that peaks at 400, then yes, the latter probably has more low-end torque as well. But in a less non-sensical comparison, where the peak torque values are similar, even slightly different engine designs can have greatly different torque curves.
gee, thanks for a such valuble insight.
At least you're capable of seeing the weakness in your own argument. Unfortunately, it's been a long time now since these were "odd designs". Manufacturers, esp. the Japanese, have been boosting peak hp, and advertising that, while keeping engine size the same. Hence they don't pull any harder. (Although they do pull longer.) Since nowadays everyone makes small OHC engines, they're all of this "odd design" -- no low-end torque to speak of, unremarkable peak torque, and a stratospheric red-line that you need to approach to wake the motor up at all. I guess they get better mileage by moving the real power generation up the rev band, away from where you drive most of the time (where an automatic transmission keeps you). It's called progress, I guess. But it definitely ain't odd anymore -- it's been commonplace for a while now.
Well is your dad talking about the s2000? Does S2000 comes with a automatic like the Lincoln? Is Lincoln a Japanese car? When your dad told you it has 280HP didn't you know that it's a 3.9L V8? 280 is an impressive number no metter how you dice it. and any car that's on the market today that's rated for over 280HP is gurranted to be fast at most engine speed no matter if it's a Japanese or US. So again, your dad should be impressived with that number. Which part don't you get it? or do I need to repeat myself again? A higher HP engine tends to be bigger and therefor torquer and more powerful overall. As your claim "Most people never even see the power their car has, but they think it's a benefit". In the LS's case the LS8's 280HP engine is certainly more powerful then the LS6's V6 with 220 HP or whatever. Is your dad ganna see that 280HP? Prolly not. Is there any benafit with the 280HP engine? what don't you answer this one?
now,.... who's laughing now birdie?! MUHHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think I've heard of this line couple year back, sometime before or around PS2's lunch date possiblly.
Horsepower = Torque X RPM / 5252 And while the toruqe curve may not be a straight line going right up to it's peak at a fix degree(it may very well be flat), it's still a good indication a engine that has a high peak torque number is likely torquer down under. Which mean yeah that 280HP actually means something. You can probly bring out someother odd design like s2000 and other crap but your dad's right. He should be and rightfully be impresesd with that 280HP. While not always ture, it's just a simple way of expressing a engine's powerfulness. Or maybe you'd prefer your dad bring out a little chart showing the curve and stuff and telling you "wow, the LS8 has this amout of tq at x rpm and looke this dyno result", rather then "son, it's got 280 hossepoowwa!".
yaeh yeah... I appreciate your little presentation with the graphs and torque curves and such and I am sure you are very impress with yourself. But you totally missed the point. As a higher HP engine tends to be bigger and therefor torquer and more powerful overall, thefor it's useful even when you are not using it at its peak output. In this case the whole 280hp may not ever be used but as a 280hp engine it means it has more torque downunder then the V6. which translate to usefullness, get it? good.
Result: quieter, more comfortable ride.
Obiously you haven't heard of the Thinkpad power on issue http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=10207
The problem seems to be the two chips ADP3410 ADP3421. Search google for ADP3410 ADP3421 and thinkpad and you'll know how widespard the problem is. http://www.google.com/search?hs=qNK&hl=en&lr=&c2co ff=1&client=opera&rls=en&q=adp3421+thinkpad&btnG=S earch
They all fail after sometime, and I am smelling a class-action lawsuit comming.
Um, I am not the original poster. But if you belive DOT5.1=DOT5.0 then yeah good luck on your future brake jobs. think people, think.
in this case, DO5.1 meets DO5 grade's performance. but it's not DO5 brake oil, it's DO5.1.
Shooting nuclear torpedo into stone with sea water constantly moving around it, BRILLANT!!!
As long as the rack goes sideways you'd be fine.
whaaaat?
I guess all his money is really disappearing into thin air.
This is slashdot. You probly meant "start the backup, still home".
Um, it's a survey, A SURVEY!!! talk about perspective... and to quote the link "Many readers acknowledged damage or accident as the cause of failure. Dropped iPods, followed by immediate or gradual failure, are common." You are an idiot if you belive some ipods has 30% failure rates.
good luck slashdoting this one!
I am totally convinced!