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Another Internet2 Speed Record Broken

rdwald writes "An international team of scientists led by Caltech have set a new Internet2 speed record of 101 gigabits per second. They even helpfully converted this into one LoC/15 minutes. Lots of technical details in this press release; in addition to the obviously better network infrastructure, new TCP protocols were used."

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  1. Too Fast for its Own Good by omghi2u · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Has anyone every stopped to think this might be too fast for its own good?

    Isn't there a point when we've reached a speed where rather than deciding what to send from one place to another, we become lazy and start sending everything?

    And won't that just lead to massive researcher mp3 swaps? :P

    1. Re:Too Fast for its Own Good by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ``Isn't there a point when we've reached a speed where rather than deciding what to send from one place to another, we become lazy and start sending everything?''

      You mean like broadcasting radio and TV?

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    2. Re:Too Fast for its Own Good by oexeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Has anyone every stopped to think this might be too fast for its own good?

      Has the infamous Bill Gates quote not taught you anything?

    3. Re:Too Fast for its Own Good by LordOfYourPants · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When people jumped from 56k to 1Mbps, the only thing that really changed for the *average joe* was grabbing mp3s and checking out more trailers.

      Contrary to popular belief, most people are not out there downloading a 9GB collection of Friends, season 1 or grabbing a 20GB MAME set with flyers and cabinets. Most people will just go buy the DVD or grab Midway Arcade Treasures and be happy.

      When people jumped from 1Mbps to 5Mbps, I've seen them take advantage of it by shopping on amazon 2ms faster than before.

      I think the real "danger" with higher speeds would lie in the realm of more annoying/higher def advertising. When the day comes that it becomes trivial and technically possible on a large amount of computers to download and display a 1920x1080 30 sec interstitial ad before you can view a webpage, it *will* be done.

      You can already see this transition happening with lower res video as people try to pack a highly-compressed 30 second FMV ad into a flash box.

    4. Re:Too Fast for its Own Good by dpuu · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I remember watching a lecture on the reseach channel, where a comparison was made of growth rates of different technologies: cpu, storage and network bandwidth. The bottom line was that cpu performance growth follows Moores Law (i.e. the perf increase is dominated by manufacturing issues) while network performance is increasing at 10X the cpu rate (disk is somewhere between). The talk discussed the implications of this.

      The summary was that we'd need to revisit system tradeoffs. We currently compress data on the cpu, because the bottleneck is the network bandwidth. But given the rate of growth of the different components of the system, the bottleneck is likely to move from the network to the cpu (or storage). At that point, we increase system performance by sending raw data and eliminating the CPU compression stage.

      Things get more complex again when you look at offloading various tasks from CPU onto dedicated hardware. But my basic point is that performance of the network shouldn't be considered in isolation. If we can improve performance by "being lazy and sending everything", then where's the harm?

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  2. Doesn't make sense by oexeo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    new TCP protocols were used

    TCP is a specific protocol, a "new" TCP protocol would suggest a different protocol, unless it means a revision of the current protocol.

    1. Re:Doesn't make sense by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't "TCP protocol" redundant anyway?

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  3. They could get better speed by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They could probably get much better speeds if they compressed it first. The Library of Congress is quite compressible, as there is a lot of redundant data. Text in general is known to be quite compressible.

    Here's a question. Sure, you can send 101 Gigabits per second. But what kind of power do you need on either end to send or interpret that much data? I know my hard drive doesn't go that fast. I don't even think my RAM is that fast.

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  4. Re:747 by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    or the cost ;)

    Never overestimate the cost per bit of a 747 full of blueray disks.

    KFG

  5. Is it needed? by Kombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is great and all, but has anyone stopped to ask why we need such fast networks? The stock-frenzy driven surplus of unneeded bandwidth was a major contributing factor to the dot-com bust. I remember when I was working on a multi-gigabit, next-generation optical switch, and the project manager was assuring us that in just a few years, people would be downloading their movies from Blockbuster instead of actually traveling there to pick up a DVD. We were all supposed to be videoconferencing left and right by now, with holographic communications just around the corner. A massive growth in online gaming was supposed to cripple the existing legacy networks, forcing providers to upgrade or perish. All of this was supposed to generate a huge demand for bandwidth, which were were poised to deliver.

    Well, as we all know, that demand never materialized. We had way more bandwidth than the market needed, and when the bandwidth finally became stressed, providers opted to cap bandwidth and push less-intensive services rather than pay for expensive upgrades to their infrastructures.

    I think we should instead be focusing on technologies that can a) generate real new revenue to the providers that we're trying to sell these ultra-fast networks to, b) have obvious and legitimate research or quality of life improvements, and c) are sure-fire hits to attract consumer attention (and $$$).

    Don't get me wrong, this is very cool and all, but until Netflix actually lives up to its moniker and sends me my rented movies through my phone/cable line rather than UPS, then it doesn't really matter to me if the network is capable of 5 Gbps or 500 Gbps. Slashdot will still load in a second or 2 either way. We need real products to take advantage of this massive bandwidth, and that revenue will drive research even further, faster. I fear we're going to stall out unless we find a way to embrace these faster networks and make money off of them.

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    1. Re:Is it needed? by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We were all supposed to be videoconferencing left and right by now, with holographic communications just around the corner.

      These are the same sanke-oil futurists that once told us we'd have flying cars, fully automated homes, vacations in space, sexbots and televised death sports.

      OK, maybe only Norman Jewison predicted televised death sports, but you get my point. They would righteously rock, though. Especially watching televised death sports while fucking my sexbot in my flying car.

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    2. Re:Is it needed? by rsmith-mac · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just because "the future" isn't happening in N. America yet, doesn't mean that it isn't happening elsewhere. N. America is constrained by its last mile problem, but Asian nations like S. Korea and Japan don't suffer this, which is why they already have multi-megabit fiber drops to homes and businesses. Sure, we on our miniscule ADSL and Cable hookups may not see the need for such massive bandwidth since we can't use it, but when you have a 1000 unit apartment complex with 100Mb fiber drops, this kind of intense technology is necessary.

      The use for it exists, it just hasn't reached us yet.

  6. Possible uses? by yetanothermike · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Instead of looking at the possibility of beefing up your catalog of Futurama episodes, think about the new uses for it.

    Medical imaging produces very large files, and the need to transfer them over distances quickly to save lives is real.

    The possibility for video is great as well. Imagine getting multiple feeds of the next WTO event from different sources on the ground. Or quality alternative broadcasting that isn't just some postage-stamp-sized, pixelated blobs. Torrents are nice, but there is something to be said for being jacked in live.

    And for those who didn't RTFA, it's 3 DVDs a second.

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  7. Entire hard drive by dark-br · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Yep, your entire hard drive moved in 10 seconds but the question is: How do they got those read/write speeds?

    Your HD would never reach that... hdparm gives me 40mb/s if I am lucky.

    Maybe they have a *LOT* of RAM :)

  8. Re:Sustained transfer? by a3217055 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The way to write 11GBps is to use a distributed array of disks. A parllel filesystem can easily handle it. Over a 100 networked computers with a parallel filesystem like Lustre, GPFs or PVFS( 1,2 and 3 .... is there a 3 ?) can do it. I mean there are disk arrays that have sustained throughput of over 55GBps. Also the 11GBps that we see now may one day used for having all sorts of communication going through it so in a way it is a way of the future.

  9. Re:What I want to know is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are on order of 10^27 atoms in a human (6.022*10^23 per 12 grams or carbon so about 10^26-10^27 for a 100kg carbon blob)

    That at even 100Gigabytes per second assuming say 100bytes per atom is 10^16 seconds or about 2% the age of the universe (100million years)

    We need another 10^9 increase

  10. Re:What I want to know is... by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...how fast this could transfer the sum of all data (DNA, memory, etc.) contained in a human.

    Another poster has already provided an excellent summary of how long it would take to transfer a whole 'human', assuming 100 bytes per atom.

    I will note that DNA is actually easy. Since it's massively redundant--just about every cell has a copy of the same stuff--you only need to send it once. The entire human genome is three billion (3E9) base pairs. Each base is one of only four possibilities, so that's just two bits each.

    Without annotation, you can fit the entire genome into about 750 megabytes--it will just barely squeeze on to a CD. Actually, there are a number of repetitive features, so it can be compressed further. The genome is big, but it's not huge.

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