EuroBSDCon 2004

Anonymous Reward writes "During the final weekend of October, nearly 200 people attended EuroBSDCon in Karlsruhe, Germany. The event offered a keynote by Apple's Jordan Hubbard, 23 talks organized in two tracks, a social event inside Luigi Colani's exhibition, and multiple coffee breaks to socialize. ONLamp.com has just published a report with funny pics..."

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Honestly

[Nimrangul]

Federico there thinks these kinds of conferences should be expanded to be more of a bonding time for the various BSD related projects and I agree with that. However, he does not think they should be like the Hackathons of OpenBSD; I disagree there.

I think that it would be a very interesting thing to have a conference where as many developers as possible get together for a week long party and idea mixer.

One where the developers of things like OpenBGPd could talk straight to the developers of FreeBSD about how to properly integrate it, showing what was done to make it all work on OpenBSD and getting it to on FreeBSD.

Where people that make the systems and tools are face to face with one another and actually interact. How better can anyone spot the various pros and cons of the BSDs and improve on them then bringing together the people that work on the different codebases and getting them to talk and read eachother's stuff.

I am not saying that putting Darren Reed and Daniel Hartmeier in seats right next to each other would be the best thing, but getting people together really could help out the quality of all the projects.

Re:Honestly

[Mark_Hopkins]

...Darren Reed and Daniel Hartmeier in seats right next to each other ...

That would be fun to watch.

Re:Honestly

[Triumph The Insult C]

theo in the same room as darren would be fun to watch. i bet there'd be a new entry for theo.c every minute

There are more BSD than Linux boxes..

[Homology]

Yep, this must come as a terrible blow to the "BSD is dead" crowd ;-)

More proof that BSD are a lively corpse : "By the way, some time ago I heard an advocacy speech by Murray Stokely who said something amazing that I think we should write everywhere. If you take Linux as a unique movement, then it is bigger than FreeBSD, but if you take each distribution (per Netcraft's Linux OS detection statistics), then FreeBSD has more users than Red Hat. Did you know that?"

Re:There are more BSD than Linux boxes..

[agraupe]

I won't argue that BSD is dead, but, to the BSD crowd: stop being eliteist about having no "distros" and being so complete. I think it is a great OS, no doubt. If I needed to host a dedicated server, OpenBSD would be my choice. But please, linux distros are not the same as BSD "flavours", because they are built on the same kernel, and can run the same code *with no modification*. The underlying system is the same, but the userland tools are different. Please stop just coming up with reasons why your beloved BSD is better than my beloved linux; I can accept that BSD is better for some things, however I would like you people to acknowledge that linux isn't just a piece of crap trying to destroy the BSDs.

Re:There are more BSD than Linux boxes..

[Nimrangul]

My OpenBSD can run most anything for Linux systems too, no modifications, just install some stuff from ports. Anyhow, on with the real post.

Unfortunately, to some it is trying to destroy the BSDs. I don't much like the Linux systems' users proclaiming how dead BSD is now because of Linux' existance, doesn't stop people from saying it. And in the other way, Linux systems' users don't take too kindly to BSD people talking about how screwed up the way the Linux operating systems are developed and how shitty the code is to read.

I would say that the two sides of the trolling have taken things that are partially based on fact and turned them into big stinking horse loads.

Such is life, BSDs have had their ability to penetrate the market limited by the existance of an alternative that some companies like to use in accordance with buzzwords.

Linux systems' development are less structured, from the kernel to the bringing together of the systems, at least from the eyes of anyone that has seen a more structured development style, this is seen as a bad thing. And the kernel code is not as well coded and commented as other systems, the functionality I cannot say is bad, but the reading is hard.

I would not say that this makes Linux a piece of crap out to destroy the BSDs, I would simply say that I greatly dislike the way it is developed. I also happen to prefer the more structured form of userland used by BSDs.

I prefer to take a look at things on a system by system basis, the one that to me makes the most sense is OpenBSD. It only needs one floppy and a nic to install, it has very clear man pages and as long as you read up first you are good to go for asking the community about damn near anything. That doesn't make Gentoo the evil anti-OpenBSD, nor is SuSE, Fedora, Slack or Mandrake; hell, I had a damned hard time trying to install any of them so I must be completely out there and outside the norm of computer users.

There are avantages to the way in which your kernel of choice is made and disadvantages; that your core developers don't control or know all the code is a disadvantage, that you have a far greater number of code submissions is an advantage. I may not agree with it, but that doesn't stop it, so keep going, it really won't hurt me any.

Re:There are more BSD than Linux boxes..

[agraupe]

I think it is safe to say that neither system will die in the forseeable future, unless something rather strange happens. I think it is just the "1337 h4x0rZ" that bash BSD for no reason. The main reason I use Linux instead: better desktop functionality, documentation, and support. If the BSDs had done this when they had the chance, linux would be dead.

Re:Uhm,

[Exocet]

Perhaps you are not a native English speaker or are unfamiliar with how age is sometimes noted in news articles.

If the article submitter wanted to say that Hubbard was 23, he or she would have written, "The event offered a keynote by Apple's Jordan Hubbard, 23, with ## talks organized in two tracks"

I thought it was clear that the submitter was making a list of items separated by commas:

- Keynote by Apple's Jordan Hubbard
- 23 talks organized into two tracks
- a social event inside Luigi Colani's exhibition
- multiple coffee breaks to socialize

Re:Object Lesson

[Anonymous Coward]

The BSD license is better than the GPL because it gives a person the choice to contribute their changes of their own freewill. The GPL forces people to release their changes to the public if they redistribute their code. Forced sharing is fundamentally and morally wrong.

Most people will agree that the GPL is hard for businesses to accept because of the forced sharing model, while the more liberal BSD license is easier to accept. See http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp ?liArticleID=135100&liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID =1&liChannelID=4&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage= 1 for any example.

Given the opportunity, a company will redistribute its changes as Apple has done. While Apple has not released its proprietary or patented code, it has released its code to its FreeBSD based Darwin kernel and Konqueror based Safari browser.

I wouldn't call FreeBSD stagnant either. In fact I'd call FreeBSD 5.3 better than Linux.

For some *real* research links...

[ulib]

Needless to say, the MIT link this mindless GNU/troll's posting is *10 years old* (1994).
No surprise that Research conducted at Harvard in year *2000* (here's the full text) tells a different story: BSD's Soft Updates technology is on par with journaling on the whole, and in many cases it provides superior performance.

It's nice to see the GNU fans spreading FUD about BSD (this, and the whole "BSD is dying" campaign). One might wonder what's the difference between GNU and the big and evil corporations they hate so much, since they're using the same dishonest marketing techniques - and spreading FUD is really the most disgusting.

Luckily, the OS world hasn't been monopolized yet by FUD-spreading corporations and FUD-spreading communists. There still is BSD - and it's here to stay. :)

--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

Re:BSD: a litany of failure

[Nimrangul]

I can handle the one question there about ekkoBSD.

It was started by some guy with a server, not a programmer. A project needs a lead that can actually lead it if it is to be a sucess, some guy that wants people to do some programming for him is not a lead but more of a figurehead.

BSD usage is on the rise, it has never stopped increasing in it's userbase.

BSD's overall market penetration on a purely single operating system basis (ie: take each Linux operating system as it's own operating system rather than they all being one operating system) is actually doing very good.

The sometimes conflicting personalities of major players in the BSD communities have resulted in some of the more interesting and vibrant projects around including a new idea for doing symmetric multiprocessing being implemented, a few new C functions which are better than their predecessors being created, a free SSH suite used by damn high most every operating system out there and many more things that would not have occured without these people having their own unique personalities.

BeOS is still poking around and Amiga based systems are as well, I guess that operating systems don't die.

Anyways, you guys need to be more original in your stupid trolls, they aren't entertaining, they aren't true and they don't even make sense half the time. You all need to go to a writing seminar. This stuff comes out like a really bad tabloid.