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Intel's Expensive Disco Ball

Re-Pawn writes "From the NY Times: The Disco Ball of Failed Hopes and Other Tales From Inside Intel (Registration Required.) Seems like Intel is losing market share to other chip makers - this article highlights a few problems that Intel has had including one very expensive disco ball made from a failed attempt to produce projection televisions."

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  1. all your chips by Shinaku · · Score: 5, Funny

    are no longer belong to them!

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  2. Registration Not Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    over at CNET, as I'm sure it is not required at many other sites.

    What's with the /. addiction to NYT?

    1. Re:Registration Not Required by Bill+Walker · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm pretty certain that the New York Times, newspaper of record in the United States for over a century, does not need to seed Slashdot in order to drum up circulation.

      One of the attractions of conspiracy theories is the flattery of imagining you are important enough to spawn a conspiracy.

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    2. Re:Registration Not Required by reynaert · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your description pretty much matches most registered slashdot users. Cut the paranoia.

  3. Article text by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative

    (Courtesy of bugmenot.com ;-) )

    One sign that Intel is having trouble dancing to technology's current beat may be the world's most expensive disco ball.

    For a company holiday party next month, a handful of engineers assembled a disco ball - with hundreds of small reflective devices - to hang above the dance floor. The mirrors are leftover projection-television chips from Intel's planned effort to enter the digital television market - an effort the company recently abandoned only 10 months after a splashy introduction at the Consumer Electronics Show last January.

    The TV effort became yet another in a series of embarrassing stumbles for Intel. The company has publicly canceled a succession of high-profile projects, has replaced managers in money-losing ventures and has fallen behind its keen competitor Advanced Micro Devices in introducing technologies, like a feature that wards off viruses and worms, in markets that Intel has long dominated.

    A.M.D. has been so successful in stealing the spotlight from Intel lately that Kevin B. Rollins, the president of one of Intel's biggest customers, Dell Computer, said at a financial conference call this month that Dell was considering adding computers with A.M.D. chips to its product line.

    For two decades, Intel has been the most sure-footed of Silicon Valley companies. But lately, it seems to have lost its way. "They have made many wrong decisions and now it's time for soul-searching and structural, not cosmetic, changes," said Ashok Kumar, a financial analyst at Raymond James & Associates.

    This all portends an interesting inauguration for Intel's 50-year-old president, Paul S. Otellini, the longtime Intel marketing executive tapped by the board this month to become only the fourth chief executive in the company's history.

    Mr. Otellini does not officially take the job until May. But next week in one of his first official acts as the designated chief executive, he plans to present his strategy to Wall Street analysts. He may have a lot to answer for, including the 25 percent decline in Intel's stock price this year.

    Mr. Otellini will tell analysts that he plans to focus on four areas for growth: international markets for desktop personal computers, mobile and wireless applications, the digital home, as well as a new initiative aimed at large corporate computing markets that Intel is calling the Digital Office.

    The strategy is a significant shift - a "right-hand turn," as Mr. Otellini likes to say - from Intel's long-term obsession with making ever-faster computer chips. Instead, the company is now concentrating on what he calls platforms: complete systems aimed at both computing and consumer electronics markets.

    Mr. Otellini insists that the recent missteps, including the premature introduction he himself made of the digital project, are simply a result of over-optimistic marketing.

    "What was wrong was that I made the decision to go public on it at the Consumer Electronics Show," he said in a recent interview in Intel's Santa Clara headquarters. "Error of judgment. Mea culpa. I learned a lesson."

    The decision to preannounce an unproven technology was an uncharacteristic one for Intel, said G. Dan Hutcheson, president of VLSI Research Inc., and a longtime observer of the company. However, he said, it has been Mr. Otellini's ascendancy at the company that has changed the way it markets technology.

    "As he came into power Intel tried to become a more aggressive marketing company," he said. "They never seemingly made mistakes before and that was simply because they didn't preannounce. This is the classic failure of a company where the marketing guys are pushing the manufacturing guys more than what's there."

    Intel is still a technology giant, the global leader in semiconductors, with revenue last year of more than $30 billion. The company retains an unrivaled manufacturing capacity, control of a powerful desktop computing standard, and an enviable internat

    1. Re:Article text by PhotoGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "What was wrong was that I made the decision to go public on it at the Consumer Electronics Show," he said in a recent interview in Intel's Santa Clara headquarters. "Error of judgment. Mea culpa. I learned a lesson."

      I like this statement. And I think it's consistent with what I've known of Intel first hand. A corporation this large and leading-edge, needs to dabble and branch off in "researchy" ways to test out areas of new market potential.

      I was involved in a company whose seed money came from a sizeable (to us) contract from Intel, to license our technology in the digital imaging space. They were a great company to work with, talented people, good executives, and they got their demonstration technology, based upon our code, up and life in a respectable time.

      The site was never marketed and never took off, but I believe it served their purposes in exploring this potential area of technology. It's a good thing to see a company like Intel taking part in this type of thing.

      The only story here, as in the quote above, is that they made a bit of a visible statement about where they were headed, before knowing for sure. Minor mis-step, if mis-step at all.

      -d

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    2. Re:Article text by itwerx · · Score: 4, Funny

      So where the hell is a pic of the damn ball already?!?
      Geez... :)

    3. Re:Article text by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You want a damn disco ball? Then you go spend a billion dollars on research.

      Damn hippies always want something for nothing.

  4. come on by lashi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    oh, come on, what company doesn't burn some R & D money that ends up junked? I am sure all the "good" companies like IBM and so on have failed projects too.

    Now if you are doing this as a showcase of bad ideas, let's link a few more interesting samples.

    1. Re:come on by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      oh, come on, what company doesn't burn some R & D money that ends up junked? I am sure all the "good" companies like IBM and so on have failed projects too.

      Yes, but I think the point is that Intel is somewhat lacking in the "recent successes" department to cover the losses on the failures - For now they're still happily on top of the market, and that is their strength, but they are losing mindshare, which really is crucial. The more that other chips are seen as perfectly viable options the faster Intel could lose market share.

      There is, of course, no reason to go counting them out just yet. I'm sure Intel has plenty of fight left, and potentially a few cards still up their sleeve. Compared to their position 3 or 4 years ago however, they are not looking anywhere near so good.

      Jedidiah.

    2. Re:come on by Total_Wimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Dell Computer, said at a financial conference call this month that Dell was considering adding computers with A.M.D. chips to its product line."

      The words "news of Intel's death were greatly exagerated," come to mind.

      It's like Microsoft wringing their hands over Linux; they _should_ be paying attention, but they've got a long way to go before they become number 2.

      TW

    3. Re:come on by Coryoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wasn't centrino a success? It's low power and integrated wireless made AMD have to follow suit and revamp its mobile core line. Of course, the anti-intel slant (not you!) on this board tends to not see AMD failures.

      Yes, Centrino was a definite win for Intel. That means they're doing well in the laptop market, but are losing share on the desktop. And yes, AMD is not without its own issues: The Opteron hasn't been doing quite as well as they would like. That's not exactly fatal, but its not exactly great press either.

      So, in summary: laptop: Intel, desktop: AMD, server: still up for grabs. The question is whether the laptop market will supercede the desktop market - certainly the laptop market is growing faster... it may have a lower ceiling though, and there's always Apple and the Power chips to compete with there, and Apple is quite strong in laptops.

      Only time will tell.

      Jedidiah.

    4. Re:come on by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a Centrino Shortage BTW which is keeping the prices of those popular laptops way too hight IMHO. Not sure If Id call that a "success". They make a product people want, then they dont have it

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    5. Re:come on by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 5, Informative

      "It applies to any laptop that has a Pentium M AND an intel wireless chip."

      AND the Intel 855 chipset.

      It's brilliant, actually. Intel has never advertised "Pentium-M", so people ask for a "Centrino" notebook. Because "Centrino" only applies when resellers use their wireless chip and chipset in addition to the Pentium-M, Intel effectively locks their resellers into selling Intel components when they might otherwise have not.

      Not that the Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 855 chipset are bad. I'm thoroughly impressed with the trio.

  5. Interesting thought for youall: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Though the x86 now pretty much owns the consumer pc chip market unchallenged-- it's just that Intel isn't always the person shipping that x86 chip-- Intel's platforms are not doing so well in other areas. IBM's POWER chip, the chip the PowerPC is based on, is very very quickly becoming the new MIPS. All three of the next-generation video game systems-- the PS3, the XBox Next, and the Nintendo Revolution-- are known to use CPUs based off of a POWER core...

  6. Is about time! by elfarto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, never been a Intel Fan before, i don't like the bullying tactics applied to OEM distributors ala Micro$oft style, for me lower Intel share translates into higher quality and lower prices for the end user, and most important "freedom of choicee", so the next time joe user goes shopping for a new Worm/Spyware host because the old one is too slow, he will see more AMD and less Intel Inside. By the way, the disco ball may be useful for the next wave of laidoff intella employees who will dance to the rythm of "the pink slip blues", sorry for all of them, really sorry. $hitty corporate america has to keep the skyhigh CEO salaries somehow.!

  7. Just Desserts for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Intel has 2 shocking policies: bell-curve grading system and preferential hiring of H-1B workers from China (which includes Taiwan province and Hong Kong) and India.

    More than 50% of Intel's workforce in the USA (not China) is current or former H-1Bs. Intel claimed that it absolutely needs Chinese workers in order to build a competitive product: e.g. Itanium. Then, IBM proved Intel wrong by producing the Power5, which is mostly built by American engineers.

    Further, Intel has a brutal job evaluation policy: strict bell curve. If an employee falls in the bottom 25% more than once, then the manager shows her the door. Exceptions are made when there is a labor shortage, but officially, the 25% rule is strictly enforced.

    I, for one, am glad that Intel is losing. I hope that IBM beats the pants off of it.

    1. Re:Just Desserts for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Whatever! The FOCAL process (as it is called) may seem brutal to outsiders, but you have be pretty lazy and completely incompetent to lose your job...and it is more like the bottom 10% that fall into the category that get put on corrective action plans.

    2. Re:Just Desserts for Intel by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As someone who has contracted at Intel, believe me I'm not a fan of the company.

      However, many companies now practice the rating and ranking system you describe. And it's not the bottom 25%, it's the bottom 10% from what I've heard.

      As for H-1B workers: When I was last contracting at Intel (June 2004) the policy was that all permanent hiring was to be done outside of the US. In the US they could only hire contractors unless there was some very special skills needed. I suspect that this policy is still in place. This is of course worse than your claim that they only hire H1B workers - at least an H1B worker would be paying taxes in the US and contributing to the economy here. Many of Intel's former permanent employees in the US have now become contractors (via layoffs) which means that they can only work for the company for 12 months out of every 18 months (but look on the bright side, you get a six month vacation after contracting there for a year!) and no health benefits.-

  8. now I get it. by tloh · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...including one very expensive disco ball made from a failed attempt to produce projection televisions.

    So THAT was the inspiration for those commercials with dancers in clean suits!

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  9. Intel ZIG intiative by stealth.c · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps now would be a good time for Intel to launch its enigmatic ZIG program. Nobody's quite sure what it is but rumor has it that the new initiative could result in great justice.

    1. Re:Intel ZIG intiative by s4m7 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps now would be a good time for Intel to launch its enigmatic ZIG program.

      Invariably prompting AMD to release it's CATS system ahead of schedule. Make your time.

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  10. Intel simulation model way off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The engineer described sitting in meetings where the company's simulation models showed that 95 percent of the chips from each test wafer would be usable, while the actual yields were closer to 4 percent.

    Unfortunately, the simulations were running on Intel processors and were hit with rampant floating-point errors. They should have gone with AMD like the engineers wanted.

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  12. Re:amd is not the competition by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "AMD is struggling hard, as they always have, to hold a modicum of the market. They are still nothing more than a small Intel. Intel has proven again and again that all they can do is make CPUs. The dismisal of the p4 line is a sign they acknowledge the trend in low power computing.

    They are both about to get blown out of the water by Apple.

    Apple is about to introduce an entertainment server. Everyone knows the future is networked consoles, but Sony et al are still focusing on games only. Apple will introduce a device that will displace the PC in a very short time. Fortunately their suppliers have horrible fab capacity. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple built in x86 if their volumes get high enough.

    My bet is on the apple device."

    You are so full of shit that you don't understand up from down.

    1: Apple does not, and will not manufacture or design CPUs.

    2: AMD *does* design and manufacture CPUs.

    Intel and Apple *don't* compete because they don't manufacture the same products. Intel competes with AMD, Transmeta, IBM, VIA, Samsung, and other companies in a variety of fields.

    Apple competes with software companies - like Microsoft, PC companies - like Dell, and, more recently, with

    "Apple is about to introduce an entertainment server. Everyone knows the future is networked consoles, but Sony et al are still focusing on games only. Apple will introduce a device that will displace the PC in a very short time."

    A media server is going to "displace" the PC? What a load of crap. Analysts have been spelling doom for the PC for *years*. Cellphones were going to kill the PC. Or PDAs. Or "smart" TVs.

    Guess what? It's never happened. Because the PC is the best tool for communication. You can't displace the PC with a media center because, for most people, the PC isn't a media center. Most people use their PCs to get on the Internet. They surf the web and read email. A media server isn't going to displace that.

    "It wouldn't surprise me if Apple built in x86 if their volumes get high enough."

    Assuming your crackpot theory is correct, who do you think is going to manufacture those x86 chips?

    AMD or Intel. That's who. They are the only companies producing high-performance x86 CPUs. Heck, they are the only companies *capable* of producing a high-performance x86 cpu in the short term.

    "Everyone knows the future is networked consoles"

    If by "everyone", you mean crackpot analysts, then, yes, "everyone" knows that.

    Remember the PS2 hype? With it's FireWire and USB ports, the PS2 was supposed to be the "future networked console". It wasn't. It's just another game system, just like the XBOX. The PS2 hasn't killed the PC.

    "Fortunately their suppliers have horrible fab capacity."

    IBM can fab a lot more than you think. Not as much as AMD or Intel, but they have the resources to bring Apple as many PPC970 CPUs as they will need.

  13. Intel has done a lot of stupid things by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Their hiring practices leave a lot to be desired. They prefer contractors to employees, but won't hire a contractor for longer than a year, and there has to be something like a 6 month break before re-hiring. This means there is zero incentive for contractors to do anything worthwhile (they're not going to be around for long, no matter what) and there's no continuity when something does go right.

    Then, there's their design strategy - lock everyone else out. By making it damn-near impossible to use a standardized processor socket, anyone who currently uses some other chip-maker is essentially locked out of buying anything Intel. In other words, about now, they're locking out nearly half their potential customers. I'm sorry, but that's just plain dumb.

    Their near-violent reactions against people making support chips for the Intel processors means that competitors are going to have to be based on AMD or some other x86 clone, for the most part. A few (eg: Via) will work with Intel, but I've also seen plenty of Intel docs on what breaks when you use Via with some Intel processors. Compatibility sells more products than coercian.

    True, most of Intel's competitors aren't too smart on these points, either. But that simply means that the first seriously open competitor is likely to wipe the floor with the lot of them. Transmeta could have. In fact, they could have crushed most of the 32-bit market, if they'd provided people with the means to upload different instruction sets. That capability becomes a liability (it impacts performance and reliability) if nobody can actually make any use of it.

    None of the current chip manufacturers has opted to move the southbridge or northbridge into the CPU, despite the fact that this would improve performance, without having to speed the chip up.

    Intel moved to copper from aluminium for chip interconnects, because it reduced power consumption. If they moved to silver, they could reduce it further, so the chips could run cooler and/or faster, with no additional work. There's no evidence they're even looking at that.

    Instead, Intel are working on projects such as TV decoder boxes running on low-end hardware. This isn't their field. They can't seriously compete in that market, because it's too crowded as it is. There's no money in it.

    And now we're told they're going to do MORE of this generalization into markets about which they know nothing, have no solid expertise, no history and no track-record of getting projects complete. They're killing themselves.

    What would I do, if I were in their shoes? Easy. I'd shore up the core products, by putting R&D cash into better product differentiation. In other words, cloning AMD's 64/32 is not good enough. That makes them equal to their competitors. Those who need that tech will already be with AMD, so why would they switch?

    Intel needs to play the one-upmanship, if they want to survive. The Itanium has been a disaster, so they would be far better off dumping it than continuing to invest in a sure-fire loser.

    Right about now, I'd be pushing for a 128/64/32-bit system, that can do everything AMD's chips can do AND support some limited 128-bit operations. Solaris 10 supports a 128-bit filing system, so a 128-bit processor isn't entirely stupid. If they added 128-bit support to controllers, they'd be able to get much smoother dataflow and a much higher throughput. Nice selling points, for servers.

    Multi-cores are good, if you have enough processing elements, sharable, and distributed right to maximise what you can push through. Intel are looking at 2. Why, when most multi-processor needs are alread met with 2-way through to 8-way SMP? To compete with Intel's own products, you need to start at 8-core CPUs, or there just isn't any point.

    Intel's operations are sluggish, compared to AMD. In fact, they're sluggish compared to anyone. Always have been. Anyone who

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  14. Theme Song by FrankDrebin · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can tell by the way I fill your box
    I'm an Intel man, no time for Macs
    Fan so loud and chip so warm
    Transistor count from Mr. Moore
    But it's all right, it's ok
    Just behind your CD tray
    My mission, you understand
    Is pusher for the Redmond man

    Whether I'm a Xeon or a first-gen peon
    I'm x-eighty-six, x-eighty-six
    Maybe I'm a-F00Fin' or power-supply poofin'
    I'm x-eighty-six, x-eighty-six
    Ah ah ah ah x-eighty-six, x-eighty-six
    Ah ah ah ah x-eighty-six!

    Well now, cache gets low and temp gets high
    And for overclockers, I really fry
    Got the gold flashing on my pads
    And an F_DIV bug etched in my sand
    But it's all right, it's ok
    I also heard AMD is gay
    And that VIA, and Transmeta
    Can kiss my royal FPU

    Whether I'm Centrino, you can bet that we know
    I'm x-eighty-six, x-eighty-six
    Ain't got sixty-four-bit, but still think I'm hot shit
    I'm x-eighty-six, x-eighty-six
    Ah ah ah ah x-eighty-six, x-eighty-six
    Ah ah ah ah x-eighty-six!

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