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Former CIA Head Calls for Limiting Access to the Internet

GMill writes "Former CIA head George Tenet has called for limiting access to the internet to only those who take security seriously and that the industry should 'lead the way' in restricting access. Somehow I don't think that this is a call to ban Microsoft products from the internet. What exactly does he want?"

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  1. It obviously means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    An end to anonymity, and that is something I fully support! No one on the internet should be anonymous! It's just wrong.

    1. Re:It obviously means by DaHat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey Taco... any chance you'd be so kind as to tell us the IP of the above AC poster?

    2. Re:It obviously means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      127.0.0.1

      You'll never find me...

    3. Re:It obviously means by qtp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What it really means is that the CIA sees your porn collection as a threat to the American way of life ...

      It won't stop at your porn collection if you are one of those troublemakers who has a tendancy to speak his mind.

      #1) Ever critcise the president? No problem, it's a free country (but you are now known to be a possible dissident/anti-government radical).

      2) Do you support or promote privacy and/or anonymity rights? Not an issue (but you are now suspected of
      possible conspiracy due to your desire to hide your actions and communications).

      3) Use email to ask your mom to pick up some stuff from the store? By itself, this is no issue (but the fact that you are an anti-establishment radical who wishes to hide your actions from the government makes the email asking mom to pick up some rubbing alcohol and chlorine bleach indicates otherwise).

      The actual innocence of you actions has no influence on whether you will be investigated, suspected, or harrased by the intelligence community. It is all up to thier interpretation. If you are lucky, you will never be on thier radar. If you are not, your life will change, and not for the better. You may never know that (or if) you are being monitored and investigated and it is unlikely that you could prove that you were (even if you do know) unless actual charges are brought.

      Welcome to the new America. Of course, you have no real reason to complain about this. These measures are necessary to make us safer and to "protect our Freedom(tm)". You should be happy that such efforts are being made. You can rest assured that no govenment official, employee, or contractor would ever abuse these regulations and capabilities for personal gain.

      Just be happy that you have nothing to hide.

      And be sure to keep it that way.

      Always.

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  2. Sounds good to me. by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Funny
    I know I'll probably be in the minority here, but I say: That God. For too long the internet has been a haven for bad people engaging in bad behavior.

    Finally, we can get rid of all those terrorists, child porn mongers, spammers, communists, hate groups, spyware writers, homosexuals, political dissentors, darwinists, gamblers, sex-ed supporters, atheists, blue-staters, teenagers, abortionists, people who confuse decent Americans by engaging in satire and especially those people who question electronic voting. Finally we'll fix the internet and make it safe for all the little children and honest hard-working Americans out there. Heck, we've already got an FCC all set up, we can just put Michael Powell in charge.

    Thank God we live in an age where we can finally bring about the society we as Americans so richly deserve.

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    1. Re:Sounds good to me. by bnenning · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is little point in arguing with Him. All we really can do is bow down and submit to Him.

      And if God tells you to strap on a belt of explosives and slaughter the infidels, well, that's His will and you'd better obey, right?

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  3. What? by drdanny_orig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe that sort of bone-headed comment is why he's the "former" CIA head.

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  4. Man... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's going to suck not having any Internet access at the CIA...

  5. Government official mentality... by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "I know that these actions will be controversial in this age when we still think the Internet is a free and open society with no control or accountability," he told an information-technology security conference in Washington, "but ultimately the Wild West must give way to governance and control."

    So the Internet can be full of organized corruption? Pay offs, rules only followed by those that don't have enough money and power?

    If there is data accessible via the Internet that "terrorists" could use to "attack" us then that data needs to be moved off of the Internet. The general public should be allowed to travel around without restrictions or control.

    Mr. Tenet called for industry to lead the way by "establishing and enforcing" security standards. Products need to be delivered to government and private-sector customers "with a new level of security and risk management already built in."

    What exactly does he mean by this? Does he mean that an open consortium should sit down and discuss how we should build a more secure network that is still able to communicate like the old one? Or does he mean that we should all be locked down with hardware and software tied with "trusted computing" which will lead to further domination by a small group of companies?

    Personally, I believe that the United States needs to understand that they aren't the only entity in the world and that they cannot determine the future of the Internet because they are paranoid about "terrorism". What would have happened if the Internet was this popular during McCarthyism? Would we have had to make sure we were all secure because of the over-inflated threat that the Soviet Scare created?

    Terrorism is another scare tactic phase in our history where money is diverted to pay for unnecessary applications (both military and civilian) to protect us against a threat that we have no way to stay ahead of. No matter what we do they will always find a way to circumvent our methods (ie scanning for bombs on planes when instead they used the plane as the bomb itself or checking for the outlines of guns and knives when they used a boxcutter).

    Somehow I don't think that this is a call to ban Microsoft products from the internet. What exactly does he want?

    He wants government control where government control is unnecessary. What they need is to stay out of the lives of the public and keep up with the protection of the entities that they already have control over. Sorry but Big Brother doesn't do anything but piss people off. I highly doubt that the "threat" is going to attack us through private channels over asymmetric broadband connections and dialup modems.

    I realize it is difficult for someone living their life in a position of authority in the high ranks of a government funded organization to understand what the people want but that's exactly why his comments need to be fought tooth and nail.

    I'll end my rant with: Keep your fucking own data safe from the "threat" without infringing on the freedoms created without government control.

  6. Key word "former" by mrn121 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before you go freaking out with you tinfoil hats, read that article's title again. He is the FORMER director of the CIA, which means that now he is just a guy with an opinion, just like us (only with probably fewer computers/components sitting around unused in his house/parents' basement). He has no real authority over anything right now, he just has more of a voice because of his previous job as head of the CIA.

  7. Re:That's Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wow, let's try that:

    "Bush is an idiot!"

    Can't wait to see my Karma boosted!!

  8. Final Comment from the Article by data1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the final comment from the article speaks the most about the mindset of this fellow:

    The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said.

  9. I agree ... with one thing he said. by oneiros27 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... represents a potential Achilles' heel for our financial stability and physical security if the networks we are creating are not protected ...
    And I agree with this part -- companies used to pay for maintaining seperate physical networks, but you bring in a few IT consultants, and they tell you about how you can save so much money by paying them to phase out your outdated frame relay cloud, and move to 'The Internet'.

    There's a whole lot of traffic out there that doesn't need to be routed through the main internet -- sure, you can make a little page for some upper level management to check the status of the nuclear reactor from the comfort of his home, but it's just not worth the risk if it means you remove the air gap between networks.

    I don't agree with most of the other statements that he made, but companies who connect to the internet need to understand the responsibilities that come along with connecting, and their ISPs need to inform them of those duties, or provide it for them.

    In the early days, you had people point you to news.announce.newusers or later, rfc1855 Netiquette Guidelines if you misbehaved. It's now the blind leading the blind.
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  10. Why does George Tenet's opinion mean anything? by Safety+Cap · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Products need to be delivered to government and private-sector customers "with a new level of security and risk management already built in."
    This, from the guy who had one of his agents exposed, her life endangered, and then this guy couldn't be bothered to flog the investigators to a) start an investigation, and b) find and punish the perp(s)?
    The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from [the press conference], at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said.

    Thank you for your opinion, sir. We'll give it the attention it deserves.
    Now where did I put that pesky trashcan?

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  11. Same old America. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Welcome to the new America.

    As someone who lived through the '60s - with the Red Squads, COINTELPRO, and a plethora of other government responses to the Vietnam non-War, I can attest that this is the same old America.

    As someone who knew people who were Freedom Riders in the '50s, with water cannon, lynchings, axe-handle beatings, and other governmental and government-winked-at "private" organizations such as the KKK (largely manned by goernment employees in their "off hours"), I can attest that this is the same old America.

    As someone who knows the history of the Red Scare / "McCarthy Era" witch hunts (and indeed was toddling during that time) I can attest that this is the same old America.

    As someone who, in his youth, knew some old fogies who were active in the original labor movement (Wobblies - never knew any Knights of Labor though there actually were a few still around), when corporate labor relations involved Pinkertons and machine guns, I can attest that this is the same old America.

    As someone who knows of the history of US, I can attest that this sort of thing has been going on, decade by decade, since at least the Alien and Sedition acts in Jefferson's time (and even before, under other auspices).

    Every generation is born ignorant. Its members have to discover for themselves that government officials abuse power and need to be kept in check, that institutions aren't enough, that eternal vigilance (and occasional difficult and expensive effort) is the price of freedom.

    This is why the US Constitution consists mainly of carefully-defined limits on the governments' actions. The founders were VERY familiar with the tendency of governments run by real people to gravitate into oppression, constantly finding ways to increase their own power. They did their best to create institutions to limit that trend, and provide the citizens with ways to fight back. But they didn't expect printed words to work on their own.

    It has actually worked out far better than their expectations. (Jefferson, for instance, thought civil wars would still be required, at intervals averaging less than twenty years.)

    But it still isn't perfect. And while the long-term trendline has been in the right direction, there's a lot of noise in the short term. And keeping the trend going the right direction requires constant effort.

    Of course part of the mechanism of control is to keep the controlled ignorant of their own history, so they don't see the puppet strings until they notice being tugged. Thus it's often a surprise when you run into it in some new circumstance. And it's tempting to assume, thanks to this deliberate under-education, that things were fine until the latest outrage was instituted, and now they're going to hell.

    Welcome to the real world, where the Tree of Liberty must be watered, from time to time, with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.

    But HANG ON to that outrage! Yes things have been bad - and far worse than they are now. But they're SUPPOSED to keep getting BETTER. When somebody finds a new way to make them worse again, it's time to FIGHT IT!

    That things ONCE were WORSE is no reason to let them become bad once again, and knowing they once were worse is no reason to slack off.

    Let the knowlege that governments tend to get on everyone's back help you in your fight to get them off - off your back, and everyone elses.

    You're fighting the good fight.

    This is one piece of your generation's opportunity to be patriots and heros.

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