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Former CIA Head Calls for Limiting Access to the Internet

GMill writes "Former CIA head George Tenet has called for limiting access to the internet to only those who take security seriously and that the industry should 'lead the way' in restricting access. Somehow I don't think that this is a call to ban Microsoft products from the internet. What exactly does he want?"

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  1. It obviously means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    An end to anonymity, and that is something I fully support! No one on the internet should be anonymous! It's just wrong.

    1. Re:It obviously means by DaHat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey Taco... any chance you'd be so kind as to tell us the IP of the above AC poster?

    2. Re:It obviously means by Class+Act+Dynamo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I heartily disagree with you. I think that the internet should be absolutely anonymous. I, Ted Phillips, believe that no one should EVER be identified on the internet.

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    3. Re:It obviously means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You've been 0wn3d

      Let's see what we can find. Pr0n, pr0n, pr0n, illegal mp3's, pr0n, pr0n, and ... hey, you sick bastard, what's this - MS Office? Disgusting!

    4. Re:It obviously means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      127.0.0.1

      You'll never find me...

    5. Re:It obviously means by qtp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What it really means is that the CIA sees your porn collection as a threat to the American way of life ...

      It won't stop at your porn collection if you are one of those troublemakers who has a tendancy to speak his mind.

      #1) Ever critcise the president? No problem, it's a free country (but you are now known to be a possible dissident/anti-government radical).

      2) Do you support or promote privacy and/or anonymity rights? Not an issue (but you are now suspected of
      possible conspiracy due to your desire to hide your actions and communications).

      3) Use email to ask your mom to pick up some stuff from the store? By itself, this is no issue (but the fact that you are an anti-establishment radical who wishes to hide your actions from the government makes the email asking mom to pick up some rubbing alcohol and chlorine bleach indicates otherwise).

      The actual innocence of you actions has no influence on whether you will be investigated, suspected, or harrased by the intelligence community. It is all up to thier interpretation. If you are lucky, you will never be on thier radar. If you are not, your life will change, and not for the better. You may never know that (or if) you are being monitored and investigated and it is unlikely that you could prove that you were (even if you do know) unless actual charges are brought.

      Welcome to the new America. Of course, you have no real reason to complain about this. These measures are necessary to make us safer and to "protect our Freedom(tm)". You should be happy that such efforts are being made. You can rest assured that no govenment official, employee, or contractor would ever abuse these regulations and capabilities for personal gain.

      Just be happy that you have nothing to hide.

      And be sure to keep it that way.

      Always.

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    6. Re:It obviously means by kentmartin · · Score: 4, Funny

      What it really means is that the CIA sees your porn collection as a threat to the American way of life

      There is an interesting point raised here about the Americentrocity (Amerocentrocity?) of the internet.

      The US appears to be getting more and more draconian with it's protection (or lack thereof) of civil liberties, civil privacy in particular. I am looking now at doing some web connected stuff with very sensitive information (medical) and, although I haven't researched it yet, I have a strong feeling that US hosting will not be an option due to laws that allow the govt to confiscate/view that data. (Please do correct me if you think I am in error here - in fact, there is an "Ask Slashdot" question in there somewhere)

      It should be noted that I do host a few things, but nothing containing anything more sensitive than CC details. Up until this project, the US has always been the place I have hosted (the lowest price for the best comms).

      Further, consider the event that US internet functionality is severely curtailed (and I think the logistical and technical problems in doing that make that eventuality extremely unlikely). How functional and viable would the internet be with only partial US involvement? Is the US so important to the net at large, that the administration there would be able to effectively force all other nations to fall into line with their policy (another "Ask Slashdot")?

      I am not American, nor have I ever lived there, but, I strongly suspect the answer to my second question could be "yes".

    7. Re:It obviously means by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just be happy that you have nothing to hide.

      Exactly. I love the show Cops, becaus I like seeing people who dick over other people get caught and punished. But a phrase that always bugs the shit out of me is, "If you haven't done anything, you've got nothing to fear."

      Tell that to the families of people that have been executed, and posthumously proven innocent.

  2. Sounds good to me. by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Funny
    I know I'll probably be in the minority here, but I say: That God. For too long the internet has been a haven for bad people engaging in bad behavior.

    Finally, we can get rid of all those terrorists, child porn mongers, spammers, communists, hate groups, spyware writers, homosexuals, political dissentors, darwinists, gamblers, sex-ed supporters, atheists, blue-staters, teenagers, abortionists, people who confuse decent Americans by engaging in satire and especially those people who question electronic voting. Finally we'll fix the internet and make it safe for all the little children and honest hard-working Americans out there. Heck, we've already got an FCC all set up, we can just put Michael Powell in charge.

    Thank God we live in an age where we can finally bring about the society we as Americans so richly deserve.

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    1. Re:Sounds good to me. by tgibbs · · Score: 4, Funny

      People are inherently condemned to hell already because all people sin. That's the beauty of it: God doesn't send anyone to hell (because we're already heading that way)

      This is a surprise. I thought that God was supposed to be in charge. Now you seem to be saying that God has no control over the rules of an inflexible system that automatically sends us to hell for "sins" (which are apparently unavoidable, since "all people sin"). The best he can do to fight the system is to save a few of us.

      Poor God. Just another victim of an inflexible Universe that is beyond his control.

    2. Re:Sounds good to me. by Linux-based-robots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This argument works both ways. If we can't criticize your God, please tell us how you are in a position to praise him? Rational, caring people see a lot of problems with the alleged goodnes of your deity. If you lived in the same neighborhood with someone who acted like your God you'd probably think he was a huge asshole. Think about it.

    3. Re:Sounds good to me. by bnenning · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is little point in arguing with Him. All we really can do is bow down and submit to Him.

      And if God tells you to strap on a belt of explosives and slaughter the infidels, well, that's His will and you'd better obey, right?

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  3. What? by drdanny_orig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe that sort of bone-headed comment is why he's the "former" CIA head.

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  4. Man... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's going to suck not having any Internet access at the CIA...

  5. The first step in limiting the Internet by intnsred · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Obviously, the power of free speech on the Internet is something for gov'ts to fear. This has been predicted by many.

    This is just the first step in limiting people's free speech rights on the 'net and turning it into a bland, corporate organ, similar to today's TV.

  6. Government official mentality... by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "I know that these actions will be controversial in this age when we still think the Internet is a free and open society with no control or accountability," he told an information-technology security conference in Washington, "but ultimately the Wild West must give way to governance and control."

    So the Internet can be full of organized corruption? Pay offs, rules only followed by those that don't have enough money and power?

    If there is data accessible via the Internet that "terrorists" could use to "attack" us then that data needs to be moved off of the Internet. The general public should be allowed to travel around without restrictions or control.

    Mr. Tenet called for industry to lead the way by "establishing and enforcing" security standards. Products need to be delivered to government and private-sector customers "with a new level of security and risk management already built in."

    What exactly does he mean by this? Does he mean that an open consortium should sit down and discuss how we should build a more secure network that is still able to communicate like the old one? Or does he mean that we should all be locked down with hardware and software tied with "trusted computing" which will lead to further domination by a small group of companies?

    Personally, I believe that the United States needs to understand that they aren't the only entity in the world and that they cannot determine the future of the Internet because they are paranoid about "terrorism". What would have happened if the Internet was this popular during McCarthyism? Would we have had to make sure we were all secure because of the over-inflated threat that the Soviet Scare created?

    Terrorism is another scare tactic phase in our history where money is diverted to pay for unnecessary applications (both military and civilian) to protect us against a threat that we have no way to stay ahead of. No matter what we do they will always find a way to circumvent our methods (ie scanning for bombs on planes when instead they used the plane as the bomb itself or checking for the outlines of guns and knives when they used a boxcutter).

    Somehow I don't think that this is a call to ban Microsoft products from the internet. What exactly does he want?

    He wants government control where government control is unnecessary. What they need is to stay out of the lives of the public and keep up with the protection of the entities that they already have control over. Sorry but Big Brother doesn't do anything but piss people off. I highly doubt that the "threat" is going to attack us through private channels over asymmetric broadband connections and dialup modems.

    I realize it is difficult for someone living their life in a position of authority in the high ranks of a government funded organization to understand what the people want but that's exactly why his comments need to be fought tooth and nail.

    I'll end my rant with: Keep your fucking own data safe from the "threat" without infringing on the freedoms created without government control.

    1. Re:Government official mentality... by expro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I believe that the United States needs to understand that they aren't the only entity in the world and that they cannot determine the future of the Internet because they are paranoid about "terrorism".

      While there is some hope in other nations, the US seems to continuously invent new means of suppression and export them around the world.

      Regulation of the internet starts here, just like DVD encoding, DMCA, patriot act, etc. It becomes fashionable because the USA set the standard and most governments have a natural tendency to want to regulate things.

      Look at all the ammo Bush and predecessors have given to repressive governments all around the world.

  7. Key word "former" by mrn121 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before you go freaking out with you tinfoil hats, read that article's title again. He is the FORMER director of the CIA, which means that now he is just a guy with an opinion, just like us (only with probably fewer computers/components sitting around unused in his house/parents' basement). He has no real authority over anything right now, he just has more of a voice because of his previous job as head of the CIA.

  8. What all other 9/11 talking heads want by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What exactly does he want?

    The same thing everyone of the experts who felt disparaged by the 9/11/ commission want. To prove they are indeed experts and that because of 9/11 they are smarter than everyone else and should be taken (read that paid) seriously for their trivial understanding of the problem.
    If our weakness is that we are to dependant on the internet, fix that fact first. Most govt agencies have no plan for if the internet was seriously down. So, they have put all their eggs in a basket that they don't control. The solution could be one of two things A) control the basket...can't work. B) Learn what systems need to be redundant without the internet and how to accomplish it. Difficult but more plausible.

  9. Your indecent use of the swear words ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    "homos-xuals","d-rwinists", "s-x-ed", "ab-rtionists" and "h-ck" has designated you as someone incapable of providing the wholesome interface that the NewInternet(tm) needs. Step away from the computer and wait for the relocation experts from Guantanamo to arrive.

    Have a nice day!

  10. Inferior & Vulnerable tools is the weakness. by digital+photo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's like saying roads cause accidents and chemical spills because they are there. That is utter nonesense and complete BS.

    The internet is the road. And the accidents people are having include: adware/malware, virii, worms, and hacked systems. The internet isn't the cause of this, it is the road upon which this happens.

    It happens because companies built crappy operating systems that focuses more on bells and whistles than solid and secure software engineering.

    It happens because companies create crappy virulent programs that infects peoples' computers, making them even less secure(ie, adware/malware).

    This is NOT the fault of the internet, but rather the fault of the people who continue to create weak tools for people to use on the internet.

    Another problem takes the form of weak habits of the average user out there. The concept of security is so absent as to be unknown. Almost every person I used to talk to about security always said the same thing: "Why would anyone break into my computer? There's nothing important on it!" Thankfully, today, most of the people I talk to who have ANY contact with tech are more prone to ask me "Can you give me any tips on how to make my computer safer?".

    If the end user doesn't take steps to ensure that their own computers are safe when the people who sold them the computers don't, then they are just sitting ducks on the internet. Their computers end up contributing to the problem.

    The internet doesn't need to be restricted. From what most security reports say, only one thing needs to be restricted or re-engineered: Microsoft's Windows operating system(all versions) and the applications that they create(IE, MS OFFICE, Outlook, Outlook Express, etc.)

    If MS can become secured, then a significant chunk of the security issues on the net will go away.

  11. Re:The easy way to do it by neitzsche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, don't get your undies in a twist over this - there's nothing untoward going on here.

    <scary>The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said.</scary>

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  12. Re:That's Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wow, let's try that:

    "Bush is an idiot!"

    Can't wait to see my Karma boosted!!

  13. Final Comment from the Article by data1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the final comment from the article speaks the most about the mindset of this fellow:

    The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said.

  14. I agree ... with one thing he said. by oneiros27 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... represents a potential Achilles' heel for our financial stability and physical security if the networks we are creating are not protected ...
    And I agree with this part -- companies used to pay for maintaining seperate physical networks, but you bring in a few IT consultants, and they tell you about how you can save so much money by paying them to phase out your outdated frame relay cloud, and move to 'The Internet'.

    There's a whole lot of traffic out there that doesn't need to be routed through the main internet -- sure, you can make a little page for some upper level management to check the status of the nuclear reactor from the comfort of his home, but it's just not worth the risk if it means you remove the air gap between networks.

    I don't agree with most of the other statements that he made, but companies who connect to the internet need to understand the responsibilities that come along with connecting, and their ISPs need to inform them of those duties, or provide it for them.

    In the early days, you had people point you to news.announce.newusers or later, rfc1855 Netiquette Guidelines if you misbehaved. It's now the blind leading the blind.
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  15. Don't Touch The Internet by freality · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This article is just one of many signs.

    It is strange, but I realize the Internet is my favorite part of modern human culture. I will use all means of dissent and resistance to keep it free. I have protested bad politics before, but that was nothing in comparison. I care about mainstream political issues, and war and trade.

    But for the net, I will protest in the streets, in the office, in my community and online, with my vote, my word, my wallet, my prayers, my dreams and if I can in my teaching to my children and from the grave. I will not accept this.

    "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them."
    -- Frederick Douglass

    The net is the canary in the coal mine. It signals the health of international free speech between peoples out from under the thumb of their rulers. If MY rulers try to mess with it in any way that oversteps norms of fair government, I will fight. We live in very dangerous *and* very promising times. Killing the freedom of the net is a great move towards the dangers and away from our chances for peaceful, understanding future.

    This is where I will make my stand. I'm going to die anyways. I will live free or die fighting.

  16. Re:So...let me see if I understand... by phyruxus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The problem (as I see it) isn't that Tenet suggested we should have increased security, but rather, that what he said was vague. Sure, it makes sense to raise the security bar for, say, a power plant or chemical factory. I think grandparent is pointing out the obvious, that individual access (IRC, blogging, etc) could be lumped in easily. Who's going to argue for anonymous free speech, when innuendo equates it with terrorism and national security?

    Better security for businesses and critical infrastructure? Fine, great! Turning the WHOLE internet into a high security grid? Not helpful, not healthy, but easy to propose and advantageous to entities who don't like free speech to be quite so free.

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  17. Re:So what you're trying to say is... by clickster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was thinking Terrorism is the new McCarthyism in the way that "Green is the new Blue" sort of thing. It's "fashionable" to be bigoted or racist, as long as it's against the group that is currently on the fringes of society. WWI it was the Germans (or Huns if you'd like). In WWII it was the Japanese (or brown apes), in the 50s/60s and for quite a while before then as well, it was the blacks (or a word I refuse to type that begins with an N). Now it's the Muslims (or towel heads) and the gays (selfish heathenists according to the man the Republicans chose to run for Senate in Illinois - Alan Keyes). Thankfully, I believe my generation (currently 20-somethings) and the generations that will follow me will be increasingly tolerant to those whose lifestyles are different from their own. It's funny to watch people try to explain their bogotry. I especially love when religion comes into the picture and they say that they're not bigoted, it's just the way God wants it. They seem totally unaware that white Christians used similar arguments to say that blacks were less worthy of equality in the mid-20th C. and that women should stay at home and mind their husbands and not worry about that whole suffrage thing. They also supported slavery in the 19th C. All things that most mainstream Christians would rail against if you tried to do it today. Religions aren't static. Most people, in my opinion, don't live their lives based on what they think their deity wants. They live their lives the way that they want and then wrap cherry-picked parts together and say that it's what their deity wants and that they're just "following orders" in essence. They are totally oblivious to the historical reality that religious "values" change to meet society, not the other way around. Actually I imagine that there is some realization about this, but they have to maintain the perception that they follow the religion and not vice versa to maintain the illusion of superiority.

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  18. Bash bush for Tenet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't you listen to Father Bush?

    Tenet was appointed by Clinton. Tenet approved of CIA operatives who openly attacked Bush, wrote books condemning Bush foreign policy, and in general, ran an operation that was nothing more than a rogues country club.

    Tenet's position here is consistent with current bureaucratic thinking (centralize control over commerce in the Federal government) that began with the US Supreme court ruling in Wickard v. Filburn.

    Legitimate critism of Bush should be applied for not being radical enough in opposing central control of the economy. In Bush's defense, he has his hands full with a Federal government out of control (think the CIA is the only agency that acts in opposition to the needs and will of the people? DOE, IRS, DOA, etc. have all spun free from rule by the people and instead work to rule the people).

    Perhaps the worst thing about Tenet's proposal is that central control simply does not work in opposition to decentralized threats. Consider the Internet as an evolving immune system; Tenet's solution is to create a bubble and "keep all the germs out." Unchallenged, these systems will be protected briefly, and then completely overwhelmed in a catastrophic loss. Implementation of Tenet's proposal would require adoptation of centralized standards, which increases the homogeneous nature of the Internet. Students of catastrophic failure in homogeneous systems often point to the Ireland potato famine of the 19th century as a classic example of why this centralized, command-driven model simply cannot handle descentralized, organic risk.

    Tenet's a fool and his agency was an unfortunate abuse of taxpayer money. Tenet is "Microsoft will tell us what security model to use, and we'll make the world security by making a law requiring its use" model. Hopefully some minimal change will occur out of the Bush overhaul. If you're pro-security and anti-centralization, you should support this administration's efforts.

  19. Why does George Tenet's opinion mean anything? by Safety+Cap · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Products need to be delivered to government and private-sector customers "with a new level of security and risk management already built in."
    This, from the guy who had one of his agents exposed, her life endangered, and then this guy couldn't be bothered to flog the investigators to a) start an investigation, and b) find and punish the perp(s)?
    The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were excluded from [the press conference], at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said.

    Thank you for your opinion, sir. We'll give it the attention it deserves.
    Now where did I put that pesky trashcan?

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  20. Same old America. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Welcome to the new America.

    As someone who lived through the '60s - with the Red Squads, COINTELPRO, and a plethora of other government responses to the Vietnam non-War, I can attest that this is the same old America.

    As someone who knew people who were Freedom Riders in the '50s, with water cannon, lynchings, axe-handle beatings, and other governmental and government-winked-at "private" organizations such as the KKK (largely manned by goernment employees in their "off hours"), I can attest that this is the same old America.

    As someone who knows the history of the Red Scare / "McCarthy Era" witch hunts (and indeed was toddling during that time) I can attest that this is the same old America.

    As someone who, in his youth, knew some old fogies who were active in the original labor movement (Wobblies - never knew any Knights of Labor though there actually were a few still around), when corporate labor relations involved Pinkertons and machine guns, I can attest that this is the same old America.

    As someone who knows of the history of US, I can attest that this sort of thing has been going on, decade by decade, since at least the Alien and Sedition acts in Jefferson's time (and even before, under other auspices).

    Every generation is born ignorant. Its members have to discover for themselves that government officials abuse power and need to be kept in check, that institutions aren't enough, that eternal vigilance (and occasional difficult and expensive effort) is the price of freedom.

    This is why the US Constitution consists mainly of carefully-defined limits on the governments' actions. The founders were VERY familiar with the tendency of governments run by real people to gravitate into oppression, constantly finding ways to increase their own power. They did their best to create institutions to limit that trend, and provide the citizens with ways to fight back. But they didn't expect printed words to work on their own.

    It has actually worked out far better than their expectations. (Jefferson, for instance, thought civil wars would still be required, at intervals averaging less than twenty years.)

    But it still isn't perfect. And while the long-term trendline has been in the right direction, there's a lot of noise in the short term. And keeping the trend going the right direction requires constant effort.

    Of course part of the mechanism of control is to keep the controlled ignorant of their own history, so they don't see the puppet strings until they notice being tugged. Thus it's often a surprise when you run into it in some new circumstance. And it's tempting to assume, thanks to this deliberate under-education, that things were fine until the latest outrage was instituted, and now they're going to hell.

    Welcome to the real world, where the Tree of Liberty must be watered, from time to time, with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.

    But HANG ON to that outrage! Yes things have been bad - and far worse than they are now. But they're SUPPOSED to keep getting BETTER. When somebody finds a new way to make them worse again, it's time to FIGHT IT!

    That things ONCE were WORSE is no reason to let them become bad once again, and knowing they once were worse is no reason to slack off.

    Let the knowlege that governments tend to get on everyone's back help you in your fight to get them off - off your back, and everyone elses.

    You're fighting the good fight.

    This is one piece of your generation's opportunity to be patriots and heros.

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