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Is the Future of Silicon Valley Solar?

Noryungi writes "In this provocative article, Brian McConnell argues that Silicon Valley, instead of staying in the saturated IT field, should apply its resources (including its chip-producing plants) into Solar Power/Renewable energy. Intel branded Solar Panels, anyone?"

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  1. We need to look into more alt. energy by citizen132 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if the war in iraq and the rising cost of oil have showed us anything, it's that we need to look into more alternative energy sources. producing our own solar energy would not only leave us less dependent on foriegn oil, but would also help the enviroment. we should also look at wind and water power also. hopefully in a few years time we'll be able to have some kind of program running that promote this type of thing.

    1. Re:We need to look into more alt. energy by MtViewGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll push for more wind turbines first. In California, Altamont Pass, the Carquinez Strait, and Tehachapi Pass could all get wind farms with large-sized wind turbines that could generate around 2,000 MW of power combined.

      California could get large-scale solar generator farms, but given the fragility of the ecosystem in much of the Mojave Desert....

  2. Not a bad idea by The+Redwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Out here in sunny california, they have already been considering legislation to require a certain percentage of new built homes to have solar panels preinstalled on the roof by the contractor.

    A house with these panels can provide most of its energy, and on sunny days even feed excess back into the grid (electric company pays YOU)

    Considering the enery crisis, and terror threats to centralized power, it would seem irresponsible NOT to try and push for distributed solar power generation. It makes sense in almost every way (money, eco-friendly, security)

    1. Re:Not a bad idea by arivanov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Semiconductor Solar panels are the Wrong Idea (TM). Expensive, limited life (10% efficiency in 10 years for most designs), pollution (materials and processes used are same as in the semiconductor industry which is not the cleanest thing on earth, producing consumes a lot of energy and water as well.

      If you want to get extra efficiency into your house you are best off with evacuated tube solar collector running with antifreeze like this one http://www.apricus-solar.com/index.htmand a heat exchanger. If you hook them up to your heating you save considerable on bills even as far north as Sweden or high up the alps (dunno about Iowa, should be OK there as well).

      Generation of energy commercially is not that different. I simply do not see how are you going to break even if you have to pay for the regeneration and disposal of old semiconductor panels. So once again a system with controlled mirrors and a boiler driving a conventional steam turbine is likely to give you much better cost performance if you can find a good place for it. It is not as easy as it seems because you have to have both sun, loads of cheap open space and water. There are not that many places that fit this description.

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    2. Re:Not a bad idea by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Okay, they don't make much sense in Iowa, but they make a lot of sense in Pennsylvania or New York, even though we still get a lot of snow.

      Peak electricity usage is on sunny, hot, summer days. If there was a way for people to sell excess electricity back into the grid, the demand would be a lot lower on those days.

      So while most people are at work, their house could be providing the electricity to keep their refrigerators and clocks and air condititioners running AND to keep them cool at work, or keep the lights on in their cube, or keep their PC on.

      Besides, anything that both lowers fossil fuel exhaust emissions and saves me money on my electric bill is a Good Thing.

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    3. Re:Not a bad idea by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only credible "terror threats to centralized power" are it's own stockholders, the CA legislature, and of course the power brokers. They've caused plenty of economic damage already.

      Actual physical, damage-causing attacks are far down on the threat list. Wake up. You're buying the propaganda that you're supposed to be living in fear, while the real damage is being done by your own countrymen using your own institutions.

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    4. Re:Not a bad idea by mbkennel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would "crush" construction companies, just like those horrible building codes, mandatory insulation, double-paned safety glass, adequate sewage systems, safe electrical wiring, earthquake resistant construction and circuit breakers did.

      Hmmmmm....

      funny they seem to be making record profits in CA.

      "Why would I want to buy a home in California if I have to install additional expensive stuff that won't get me my money back yet? I'd rather move elsewhere."

      Some people aren't as shortsighted.

      The technical facts are:

      (*) houses and commercial buildings have a very long valuable lifetime, which is why you can get a 30 year mortgage, and why you need to.

      (*) the future path of energy costs may be unknown and may be far more expensive than today. Given the known production rates and declines of North American natural gas production due to actual depletion, this is hardly unlikely. Coal is still, and will be quite polluting and worse for greenhouse emissions.

      (*) energy efficient construction and self-generation may be significantly cheaper and more effective and less ugly when designed into a house when originally built. Like, say, indoor plumbing.

      (*) there is a major commons economic problem with energy efficiency. You put on one new energy-guzzling house on the grid, say a big cheaply built tract home in a hot area like San Bernadino (where lots of new houses are being put up, as the cool places near the coasts are already completely full) and the customer has to pay a certain electric bill. Fine, it's their problem.

      But when lots of people do that, then suddenly there is a large strain on the overall grid capacity and transmission, and the utility has to raise rates significantly for EVERYBODY (not just the new A/C guzzling houses) and everybody suffers from poor service reliability. And of course there is more demand for the limited fuel supply and the price goes up too.

      The choices made in building will influence energy consumption for decades to a century.

      Are you feeling lucky?

  3. Re:No consumer appeal, no 'wow' factor by DigitalRaptor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a geek I'm sure you can see the appeal of distributed systems (ala BitTorrent, et al).

    Small scale, green energy production is just that: a distributed system for generating electricity.

    I, for one, do want to be a part of that and want to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

    I'd love an electric car that runs 100% off of solar power generated at home. Now if only batteries weren't so freaking bad for the environment...

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  4. Re:Takes more energy to produce than you get back by Arzach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For now anyway. But that's the whole point of research and development: improve the product. Just because something isn't perfect to begin with, doesn't mean that it can't be improved. Look at the development of: agriculture, automobiles, computers, weaponry, etc., etc.

  5. While we're at it let's get Novartis into aspirin! by __aagujc9792 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Solar cells = gigantic volume small value added CPUs = tiny volume, huge IP value added Silicon = completely irrelevant

  6. Mod this post up [Re: Energy Efficiency] by j.leidner · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The first order of business for an energy consumer should be to minimize energy consumption.

    This previous post deserves to be modded up for containing this sentence.

    Yes, please consider this advice, fellow geeks: how many monitors are always on even when they're not used for hours? And who pays attention to buying energy-efficient servers? Green PCs with power-saving modes? Recently left on the light when you weren't in the room for hours? Do you drive a car that needs more gas than the state of the art per 100 km? You don't even know how much your car needs?

    If only more people had constant awareness of such issues, and taught their children to treat energy as something precious that must never be wasted, then this might have a higher impact than technical advancement in engergy effectiveness.

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  7. Re:No consumer appeal, no 'wow' factor by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, I think one thing that solar panel makers should do is stop focusing on absolute efficiency and start focusing on cheap. Dirt cheap. I mean so cheap that it's like buying a tarp. Put out a solar panel that is only 5% efficient but can be rolled out like a carpet and only costs a few bucks per square yard. I think you might see a revolution in power generation then. Hell, if you really want a revolution, come up with a photovoltaic roofing material that lasts for thirty years and puts power into the grid. Who cares if it is the ultimate in efficiency, if it's cheap and knocks ten bucks a month off your power bill people will go for it. Plus which, if it's that inexpensive it will end up in all new construction.

    Heinlein wrote a novel based on this idea: a couple of scientists were trying to create a new kind of light source. It was simple, easy to make, and could be cast in large flat sheets (i.e., an entire wall or ceiling could generate light.) Then they discovered that it was also photovoltaic ... not very efficient at first, but it was also really cheap. The world went solar after that, with entire square miles covered in the stuff, buildings, everything.

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  8. Re:Energy Efficiency by plopez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Excellent point, one I have harped upon for years. Note too that Western Europe produces about the same GDP as the US, using about 1/2 the energy to do so. When you break it down per captia, we could probably reduce our consumption by ~40% without a significant decrease in 'Standard of Living' (economist speak for how much stuff you own and how much money you got, not to be confused with 'Quality of Life'; which economics is not interested in).

    Even more interesting when you count in the longer vacations in Europe.

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  9. Re:Takes more energy to produce than you get back by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if that were true, [which it isn't] solar would save hugely on transmission costs.

    Which is why it's already in heavy use in places where the load is small (road signs, yard lights, emergency phones) the location is remote (rural areas) or sometimes where solar is more reliable than the grid (areas far from the primary generation with heavy weather causing frequent line damage).

    It costs an ENORMOUS amount to run power even a fraction of a mile, let alone tens of miles, for a new hookup in an area not otherwise served. Even if you're only going to count the ENERGY cost, think about how much energy it takes:
    - to mine the ore and process it into steel and copper for the transformer, wires, guy wires, fittings, (and that power meter...)
    - to melt the sand and make it into insultors
    - to cut the trees and process them into poles
    - to haul it all onsite, dig holes, set poles in them, string it up, and haul the workers back and forth from home for weeks
    - to build the fraction of the rest of the grid and power plant thatbecomes dedicated to supplying power to that hookup.
    THAT, not the energy supplied by the panel, is the appropriate energy to compare when looking at the panel's "energy cost". The purpose of the panel is not just to extract energy from sun, but to deliver it WHERE IT'S WANTED. The grid has an energy cost far beyond the part that's actually delivered to a remote load. Modern solar panels, on the other hand, are apparently alread, not just better in some situations, but actually a net gain (despite old rumors to the contraray). They should become moreso with further technological improvement.

    In the absense of government meddling (and to a large extent even WITH government meddling), price tends to be a reasonably reliable signal of how much stuff that people value (energy, raw material, people's time, environmental quality) is being used up to provide something. When total solar systems become less expensive than grid connections (with their extreme efficiencies), it's a very good sign that they have also become less of a drain on valuable resources - including energy.

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