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Burn the CD on Both Sides

apocal writes "How cool wouldn't it be to be able to burn the label on your cd using the same laser you used to burn the cd in the first place? Well, I guess this technology called LightScribe will be coming soon. 'Suppose you have just created a compilation CD of a dozen or so of your favorite songs. Now you want to make a label that contains the song titles, artists' names, and some personal information and design elements to make it special. First, burn your tracks onto the data side of the disc. Then open your favorite LightScribe-enabled label-making software and go to the CD template work area. Now you do all of your creative design workcompose pictures, copy, artwork whatever. When you are satisfied with what you have done, take the disc out of your drive, flip it over to the label side and put it back in the drive. Now go back to your label-making software, and simply click print.'"

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  1. Reminds me of.. by mr.henry · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yamaha came out with something similar back in 2002 called DiscT@2 that let you put text and graphics on the unused portions of the data side. It never really took off.

    1. Re:Reminds me of.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Link to Slashdot story from June 2002:
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/24 /122720 0&tid=126

    2. Re:Reminds me of.. by Lord+Prox · · Score: 2, Informative

      kinda like this...

    3. Re:Reminds me of.. by DJStealth · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think the CD format requires the reflective layer be a certain distance from the laser.

      (For those who don't know, contrary to popular belief, the reflective layer is actually on the side we write on with markers, pens, etc. Not the face-down side, and not in the middle; so don't worry so much about scratching the side that goes face in the drive, you should be more worried about scratching the side that has the label)

      Putting another layer into CD's would require another ~2mm of plastic on the other side, making CDs much thicker and no longer fitting the CD standard.

  2. No thanks by JustinXB · · Score: 5, Informative

    It combines the CD or DVD drive of your computer with specially coated discs and enhanced disc-burning software to produce precise, silkscreen-quality, iridescent labels.

    I think I'll pass.

    1. Re:No thanks by Baricom · · Score: 2, Informative

      TFA points out that you need a special drive to do the labeling. I would imagine that drive would come with completely legal software for your use.

    2. Re:No thanks by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ah yes, but bottled water is "trendy", and it's a visible sign that you're both a "person with a healthy lifestyle" and can afford to "buy water".

      (or so it seems)

      But no, I firmly believe this won't find a niche. Most people wanting blank media just want them at absolutely the lowest cost possible...

      The Yamaha one wasn't much more than an interesting gimmick - I saw it in a store, but there was nothing that especially made me want to buy one. Feel free to disagree, but we can compare notes in a year :)

      BTW: The latest Epsons print directly onto coated CD/DVDs with no sticky label and no stomper. It's easily as convenient as this device and full colour... And printable media is already out there and easily available.

      N.

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    3. Re:No thanks by MirthScout · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmmm... I'm wrong. Main article refers to using "your" cd or dvd drive but they burried the "LightScribe enabled" CD or DVD drive reference in the FAQ. I guess I don't want one either.

  3. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    *cough* advert *cough*

    1. Re:Hmm by squaretorus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Advert indeed. In a newspaper or magazine these have 'ADVERTISING FEATURE' written above them. I'd like the same to happen in /. so that I could chose to avoid such content should I so wish.

      Or perhaps all such articles should be filed HERE as a hint.

  4. Re:This is not new by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...or more.
    But only on the "writable" side, using the remaining space, so i.e. you burn 200M of data which forms a uniform circle in the middle of the disc, then use remaining 500M to "draw" the picture using the property of CD that it slightly changes color after it's written. I think some Yamaha writers had this feature.

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  5. From the FAQs by alphakappa · · Score: 4, Informative

    LightScribe is actually an Hewelett Packard product, so the chances of this technology actually being licensed and incorporated in regular disk drives and media is pretty good.

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  6. Labeling CD-Rs the old way.. by mr.henry · · Score: 4, Informative
    FYI

    Don't Use Sharpies on CD-R: There is a modest amount of anecdotal evidence that the use of solvent-based ink markers (Sharpies use an alcohol-based ink), particularly on CD-R/RWs without a protective coating and CD-R/RWs kept in a warm to hot environment can lead to long-term penetration of the ink to the data layer with resulting damage to the data.

    1. Re:Labeling CD-Rs the old way.. by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 2, Informative
      IBM advise that you should either use a proper CD marker, write in the central ring where there is no data, or choose CDs with a printable label side (they all used to be like this once, I think).

      Incidentally, even on regular factory-produced "silver" CDs, the data layer is only a few microns beneath the *label side*. If you're going to scratch one, do it on the non-label side. Leaving it on your desk label side down, which seems more intuitive, is more likely to damage it.

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  7. "News"? by sim000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    First, I agree this reads more like an ad. Second, this really cannot be called "news" under any circumstances, let alone on /. -- this was in PC World in *March*: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114592,t k,wb030804x,00.asp

  8. Dupe! by Rico_za · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dupe from 9 months ago! They even have the same CD "Vacation in Hawaii" pictured on both sites.

  9. Re:Violation of guarantee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    As the article says (you did read it, right?), you need a special drive in order to print the labels. So there should be no problem related to "violation of garantee".

  10. Sharpies are OK to use by sparkhead · · Score: 5, Informative
    There's no problem using sharpies. Touched on this in this thread over a year ago. The summary, from the Sharpie website:

    Is the SHARPIE marker safe for writing on CD's?

    Sanford has used SHARPIE markers on CDs for years and we have never experienced a problem. We do not believe that the SHARPIE ink can affect these CDs, however we have not performed any long-term laboratory testing to verify this. We have spoken to many major CD manufacturers about this issue. They use the SHARPIE markers on CDs internally as well, and do not believe that the SHARPIE ink will cause any harm to their products.

  11. Re:disc labelling by MMMDI · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why is that? I've been doing it for ages (still have CD's burnt + labeled from '99) without a problem.

    Note that I'm not debating your point, I'd genuinely never heard this before.

  12. Re:Labels Protect Disc? by janic · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are correct about the recording surface, but wrong about the "protection" thing.

    Labels on CDR(w) media tends to be a _bad_ thing.

    http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/08/043254.sht ml ?tid=137&tid=198

  13. Re:got one. great drive, T@2 is crap though by cosmo7 · · Score: 3, Informative

    CD sized laserdiscs? Aren't laserdiscs simply 12" sized CDs?

    Laserdiscs are analogue encoded, CDs are digital.

  14. Lightscribe Pros and Cons (spc media ain't a con) by RonBurk · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've been tracking Lightscribe for much of the year, over at www.backupcritic.com/faq/lightscribe/what.html. After reliably missing its ship dates, I'm starting to believe it may finally be close to appearing.

    The need to purchase special media is actually a plus in my book. AFAIK, this will be the first labelling solution for optical discs that was actually designed by people who have to make optical discs work correctly. No spin imbalance due to "painting" on only parts of the disc, no chemicals leaching through to the other side, etc. If I can make a lovely graphical label without worrying that it will decrease the odds the disc will be readable in 5 years, that will likely be worth a modest price penalty in media to me. At this point, there is still no word on what the price penalty will actually be for a drive or for the media.

    The real disadvantages are: quite slow to burn (think 20 minutes for a complex graphic) that high-res image, and only monochrome. So, if you sell software, don't think this is going to be a neat way of producing labels for shipped product.

    What it will be really cool for is things like handing a home movie DVD to your inlaws with a picture of their grandson burned on the disc. For casual writing, I'll still use a special felt pen. For high-value discs that I'm going to bother to make a custom jewel case jacket for, I'm definitely looking to Lightscribe as my on-disc labelling solution.

  15. Re:Burning Data on Both Sides by calica · · Score: 2, Informative

    Close but wrong. Remember he said data on BOTH SIDES. Your trick just causes the drive to view the double density disk as high density. In both cases the 3.5 was always double sided.

    The GP was referring to old single sided 5.25" floppy disks. On the edge of each disk was a notch cut out of the plastic. You'd cover the notch with a shinny metallic sticker to write protect the disk. Someone figured out that you could cut a similar notch on the other side and flip the disk over. This became very common and you could buy special tools to make the notch with proper alignment. Eventually, software publishers used the trick to reduce disk count.

    This wouldn't work with double side drives (Like in the XT) but worked great with the C64 and Atari 8 bits. Not sure about the Apple II.