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SCO Shares Plunge, Canopy Management Change

bretberger writes "Shares in Utah's SCO Group went into a tailspin late Tuesday as news spread of both deepening losses and an apparent coup at the software company's corporate parent, the Canopy Group."

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  1. Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lots of good news before XMas. Best christmas present if you ask me. No software patents in EU, Microsoft fined and SCO stock down. What more can one ask?

  2. News? by neoform · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this really news, who here actually thought SCO was gonna win? really though..

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    1. Re:News? by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      Yeah, exactly. And when Laura DiDio said: "The fate of SCO is one of the big question marks. New management at Canopy . . . may push [SCO] to try and settle." I was thinking "Settle for what? Not having IBM kick their collective asses into orbit around the sun?" I don't think they're in much of a position to try bargaining.

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    2. Re:News? by tdemark · · Score: 5, Funny

      IBM Laywer: I'm thinking of a number. I'll write it down on a piece of paper.
      SCO Lawyer: OK

      The IBM lawyer grabs a pen a scribbles on a sheet of paper, folds the paper in half, and slides it across the table. The SCO lawyer reaches, picks up the paper, unfolds it, and sees this:

      ----------------
      | |
      | _ |
      | / \ |
      | / \ |
      | | | |
      | | | |
      | \ / |
      | \_/ |
      | |
      |______________|

      IBM Laywer: Do we have an agreement?

      - Tony

    3. Re:News? by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
      Nice ASCII illustration but you forgot the punchline:

      Burns: I'm going to write a figure on this piece of paper. It's not quite as large as the last one, but I think you'll find it fair. [draws a giant zero]

      Hutz: I think we should take it.

    4. Re:News? by bckrispi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Reading the article, It looks like the "cap" just means that $31 mil will be the most Boies & co. can charge when this fiasco is finished. This was in exchange for more lucrative terms should SCO win a settlement/be bought out. It doesn't mean "as soon as we spend $31 million, we're dropping the suit".

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    5. Re:News? by SoSueMe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is this not the same Laura DiDio who has been so reviled by Slashdot in the past as being less than tech-savvy and a mouth-piece for corporations?

      Each of these claims have had some merit as well as critisism of the Yankee Group reports.

      Are they another firm that waits until the writing on the wall is written in neon and suddenly pipe up with a resounding "Me too!"

    6. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      SCO Lawyer #1: Give me a moment to discuss this with my associate.

      SCO Lawyer #1: (aside to SCO Lawyer #2): dude he totally drew a vagina. We're gonna get PUSSY!

      SCO Lawyer #2: (to #1): I know it! It's 100% grade A putang for us! Daryl is gonna be STOKED! I'm gonna step out and call him now. (steps out) Dude! Pop open a foamer and sit down, Christmas is coming early this year.......

      #1 (to IBM Lawyer, stifling laughter and adjusting pants): All right, we've considered your offer and are prepared to accept it. Do we, uh, accept it here or somewhere else?

      IBM Lawyer: What the fuck are you talking about?

  3. Canopy Group? by Pacifix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't that name kinda ominous? A canopy blocks out the sun, gets everybody under one thing and cuts you off from the primal forces. Perhaps something more honest, like maybe COBRA?

  4. The only way justice is to be done... by terraformer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is if the parent co, Canopy Group, and all of the corporate criminal scumbags in charge over there lose their shirts and their golden parachutes mid fall. Otherwise, it will be them who are laughing all the way to the bank, despite the validity of the linux community's claims of fraud. This current administration won't go after them. Given what they have been doing lately to fuckups, they would probably give Darl an award...

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    1. Re:The only way justice is to be done... by sl3xd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This current administration won't go after them. Given what they have been doing lately to fuckups, they would probably give Darl an award...

      You seem to be under the delusion that some other administration would go after them. White collar crime is nothing new, as is the tacit guarantee that white collar criminals are virtually unpunished (with a few token ones like Martha Stewart and a couple of Enron officers). The fact is that it's nearly always the extremely wealthy, ivy-league educated that even compete for the presidency. And one thing can be said of the wealthy: They have a great deal more sympathy for the problems of their fellow upper crust than they do for the problems of any other economic strata. Democrat, Republican, whatever... The rich have the belief that they pay the taxes, so they should get the police -- not the areas that actually have crime. They pay the taxes, so the laws should benefit their lifestyles, not the mid and lower class.

      And never forget that Kerry still has even more money than Bush.

      Nor can I think of any president in the last half-century that did much to prosecute white-collar crime.

      And before that, there was the great depression, where everybody was poor anyway...

      Hmm... I've got it! We need another Theodore Roosevelt. A guy that spent his presidency breaking up monopolies and fighting for the working class.
      He's dead, though. And I doubt he'd win a modern election.

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    2. Re:The only way justice is to be done... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I doubt he'd win a modern election.

      Yup. I was looking at the only known picture of TR and FDR last night and said wistfully to my wife "Why can't we have someone like that be president again?" The answer, of course, is television.

      WRT white collar crime - no one walks the streets at night worried that a white collar criminal might kill them pointlessly while looting their pension fund.

  5. Microsoft will be the white Knight by maddu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who wants to bet that before long Microsoft will march in as White Knight and have proxy control over SCO. Hell, it already controls it indirectly!

    1. Re:Microsoft will be the white Knight by Samari711 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Why would MS touch it with a 10-foot poll? They got enough negative press for orchestrating the BayStar deal, there's no way in hell they want anything to do with SCO at this point. What's probably going to happen is Canopy will carve out any useful IP and resources from SCO and form yet another company while it leaves SCO as a litigation company. then another Canopy company will buy out SCO, initiating the new change of control procedure which gives Darl & co. a set of nice golden parachutes and they walk away from the mess with all the investor's cash.

      What I want to know is how illegal this whole racket was...

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  6. Re:Canopy Group? Dont you mean ... by UnderScan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Umbrella Corporation?

  7. The new Canopy CEO is... by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Colonel Mustard, in the boardroom, with a letter opener.

  8. WHY?? by burbankmarc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now how are people going to get their license for Linux?!

  9. Settling? by DeathFlame · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "The fate of SCO is one of the big question marks. New management at Canopy . . . may push [SCO] to try and settle."

    Settle? Does anyone see IBM settling? Why would they when they will win.

  10. SCO Insider Trades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here it is- the regular SCOX insider trades report! Sell, sell, sell- even while it was going up.

    12/07/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 10,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $45,870.00

    12/07/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 6,100 Open Market Sale proceeds of $28,745.00

    12/01/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 15,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $61,767.00

    11/30/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 70,500 Open Market Sale proceeds of $273,550.00

    11/24/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 60,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $216,181.50

    11/22/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 37,500 Open Market Sale proceeds of $131,250.00

    11/19/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 10,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $35,000.00

    11/17/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 10,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $35,465.00

    11/08/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 100,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $372,615.00

    11/05/04 BAYSTAR CAPITAL II L P Beneficial Owner of more than 10% of a Class of Security 22,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $80,900.00

    1. Re:SCO Insider Trades by kisielk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Heh, good to point this out. If you look at the "Insider Trades" link on Yahoo Finance, SCO insiders have sold of 2,246,000 shares in the last 6 months (~25%). Looks like they don't have much faith in their company..

  11. Hope by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope for only one thing :

    That their (inevitable) demise receive AT LEAST AS MUCH publicity on public news channels / papers that their foolish lawsuits received. To inform the population that it was FUD. Or else they'll have (kinda) suceeded in inspiring a doubt in the minds of many concerning Linux legitimacy. No one on slashdot, obviously, but the common man who heard on news that SCO was suing IBM on UNIX/Linux for code thievery... maybe.

  12. I for one am shocked! by pjwalen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was certain the, honorable and the trusted SCO Software would come out ahead of those socialist pirates known as Linux users. Who's with me?

  13. Re:WOW! Now it's cheap! by rzebram · · Score: 5, Funny

    1,000 SCO shares.. The perfect gift for your in-laws for Christmas!

  14. Sucker! by Darth+McBride · · Score: 5, Funny

    Attorney David Boies of New York agreed to cap the overall cost of SCO's lawsuits to $31 million in return for a bigger piece - 33 percent, instead of 20 percent - of any settlements.

    Dear David,

    We ran out of money, but we will give you an even bigger slice of nothing.

    Love,
    Darl

  15. Re:but the real question is... by tha_mink · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO is a software company??? All this time I thought they were just a legal firm...just me?

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  16. Re:WOW! Now it's cheap! by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
    This isn't funny, it's lame.

    Anybody who "bought low" today (around 10:00 AM) and sold at market close made a cool 14%. The price started its correction near the market close, and will probably return to close to its Monday levels.

    I mean dude, look at the charts. Notice the volume spike at around 10:00 AM. It was this sudden accumulation move that caused the prices to turn back around. The whole game is purely psychological. Today was certainly a good day to buy SCOX.

  17. we can't let this happen by pyrrho · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't have time to learn a new villian.

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  18. Re:WOW! Now it's cheap! by molnarcs · · Score: 4, Funny
    Great time to buy! Remember kids, buy low, sell high!

    I don't think that's a good idea. When I'm high I don't make very good deals.

  19. Rumor Has it... by marcushnk · · Score: 5, Interesting


    That Mustard is a bit of a hatchet man. (walks into a sinking ship and throws so many people overboard that its starts floating.. then points that barely floating ship back in a direction that will assure the safety of whomever is left)
    Couple that with the CFO's leaving and the REALLY piss poor financials that were released yesterday.. I reckon we're about to see the end of this whole saga.

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  20. don't forget... by ecalkin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The state of California putting an end to sneakwrap EULAs!

    eric

  21. Re:How will this affect Trolltech ??? by mcc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Canopy's investment in Trolltech is absolutely tiny. As far as I am aware nothing that could possibly happen to Canopy would affect Trolltech at all.

  22. SCO Management by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I, for one, welcome SCO's new overlords!.

  23. I can think of one! by pragone · · Score: 5, Funny

    To get laid???

    1. Re:I can think of one! by hazem · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come on... we're dealing in realistic things like FTL travel and Santa Claus.

      I can't believe you're spreading rumors about this mythical "getting laid" thing.

  24. bogus report by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SCO was under $3 at the beginning of November. It's last trade today was at $4.17. Yea, stocks go up and down, but to call this a tailspin is a bit extreme. It's taken a couple of bigger drops in the last two months, but the rises have been even larger. Hey, I hate SCO too, but reporting a relatively small dip in the stock as a tailspin is an overstatement based only on bias against them.

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  25. Re:"Plunged?" by Megane · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'd hardly call a drop of 7.5% a "plunge."

    Especially when the stock was 25% lower less than two months ago.

    I do have to thank SCOX for one thing, though. They got one of the Groklaw readers to pester UCal for a copy of the secret AT&T/BSD agreement under a Freedom of Information request. As it turns out, there wasn't any thing scary in there after all.

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  26. Re:Another number: 99% drop by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's more important is their balance sheet.

    $10M in the bank and a burn rate of $3M per quarter.

    Unless they get some extra revenue within 6 months they're toast.

  27. Classic Quotes by dynamo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ""The fate of SCO is one of the big question marks. New management at Canopy . . . may push [SCO] to try and settle."

    This remark just made my day. Imagine SCO trying to settle, being pressured by it's parent company, sitting with IBM attourneys, trying to 'reach out' to IBM to make some sort of agreement. I figure they'll eventually both agree that SCO has wasted all of their time and money on something that is going to eventually cost it's upper management their careers, and hopefully their freedom (but I doubt they'll realize that quite yet.)

    and this:

    "We're in a challenging business environment," he said during an earnings teleconference. "[But] we believe there is value in our Unix licensing business and we offer our customers . . . value they need to be made aware of."

    It's straight out of The Godfather. Way to tell it, Darl!

  28. Novell, not Microsoft by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Novell will be the one to come in and snatch up SCOX.

    Novell is making Linux the centerpiece of its technology strategy, so it has something to loose.

    Ending this thing once and for all would endear the Linux community to Novell, so it has something to gain.

    It also has $475M earmarked for acquisitions.

    Novell has a history with SCO/Canopy. Ray Noorda was the chairman at Novell before he started Caldera. Darcy Mott was Novell's Treasurer, and R. Duff Thompson was Senior Vice President of Corporate Development. Even Darl McBride came through Novell.

    SCOX has a $79M market cap. For this small portion of their acquisition warchest, all this goes away and they get real linux street cred. Their marketing department should be lobbying hardest for this one.

    When they're done with that they'll buy UNIX(TM) from The Open Group and geeks will write songs about them.

    Only if they want to crush Redhat, that is.

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  29. Neither Novell, nor Microsoft by RickBlaine · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There is absolutely zero upside for Novell in buying SCOX. And absolutely zero downside for not buying SCOX. SCOX is shooting blanks (header files????) on the legal front. And Novell already has linux street cred for 1. buying SuSE, 2. Sending a "STFU" letter to SCOX re the IBM suit and 3. pretty much shutting SCOX down in the "slander of title" suit.

    You don't get street cred for rewarding extortion. Look at where SCOX was before they pulled this BS. About a buck a share. And SCOX has diluted shareholder value (in other words, printed and sold more stock) since then. Let's see: option 1. Pay more than 4x the original value of the company for an extortion threat or 2. let SCOX die a slow, painful and public death for being idiots. Anyone thinking of getting good PR by preventing this company from publicly bleeding to death from its self inflicted gut-shot is stupid. Paying off extortionists is *always* bad PR.

    -Blaine