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Asteroid Flies Under the Radar, Literally

mrn121 writes "Space.com is reporting that a 16-foot wide asteriod has passed the Earth in a phenomenally close call. The Asteroid, named 2004 YD5, passed just below the 22,300 mile range where geostationary satellites sit. What makes the incident most interesting is that the asteriod was not seen until after it passed the Earth, due to the well-known Cosmic Blind Spot caused by the Sun."

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  1. Well if I'm going to be obliterated by an asteroid by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd rather not see it coming.

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  2. true but by poison_reverse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    it could have taken out a satellite by chance

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  3. Material Make Up by LabRat007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone know if an asteroid of this size could make landfall if made of the proper materials. Such as nickle, lead or other make up?

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    1. Re:Material Make Up by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A lot of factors come into play. Is it coming 'straight at us' (will it hit the atmosphere with the combined velocities of the orbiting earth and its own relative motion?). Or is it playing 'catch up' with the Earth, coming up behind us so that the relative velocity is lower?

      Hell yeah, a solid nickle object that size could hit the surface given the right conditions! But with a shallow, grazing entry it would be unlikely to do so. And shallow entries are more likely.

      However a fast, dead straight approach would give the asteroid/meteoroid only tenths of seconds of actual atmospheric contact. Earths orbital velocity around the sun is around 30km per second, and if the object were coming straight at us you can assume that its orbital velocity would be near to that; if it were falling toward the sun it would be higher, if ascending the velocity would be lower. So 60km/second would give the object about 1/2 a second in any 'real' atmosphere in a vertical descent profile. For some object which was solid and metallic there would be a nice new crater - not enough time for heat transfer to create the massive thermal gradients which would make the object shatter.

      If the object were not completely solid the shockwaves created by its own passage through the atmosphere would likely cause it to explode into smaller peices, but even then you could expect a good number of those pieces to blast some pretty serious holes in things.

      I once read, LONG ago in some book meant for 'tweens, that objects smaller than a VW bus tend to burn up. Objects larger stand a good chance getting significant chunks of themselves onto the surface of the planet.

  4. Let's see by Linguica · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The diameter of the earth is about 8,000 miles, so take the globe on your desk (you have one, right?) and imagine an object a little less than 3 diameters away...

    1. Re:Let's see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you think that, if a meteorite with a diameter of 0.24 mm would hit a 30-cm wide globe at a speed of 0.35 mm/sec, this would destroy most form of life on this planet ?

      Yes.

      This is the exact reduced model representing the 10-km wide meteorite that hit the Yucatan Peninsula 65 million years ago at a speed of about 54000 km/h, creating the 170-km wide Chicxulub crater, and caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

      Impressive, isn't it ?

  5. This is NOT reassuring ... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Four small groups of dedicated astronomers in Arizona and California, totaling fewer than the number of employees at an average fast-food restaurant and using mostly off-the-shelf equipment for their telescopes, have been mapping the heavens and steadily adding to the number of known near-Earth objects. The article from TIME is here

    Something more dedicated to this would make everyone feel better probably

    1. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if they did find something, the government would cover it up so as to avoid a panic. May as well save tax dollars and let the amateurs do it.

    2. Re:This is NOT reassuring ... by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bah, I've got a better page than that: calculate your own custom asteroid impact.

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  6. Asteroid shield instead of missile shield by Elkboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's something we know will come and that has a destructive potential far greater than anything in our arsenals. It would foster global cooperation since all nations are potential targets, and it wouldn't create an arms race. An asteroid shield seems like a better way to spend all those money that goes into missile shield defense.

  7. End of the world website by RagingChipmunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    End of the world chart in true scientific fashion - a website dedicated to tracking asteroid collision paths - a 'solution' euphamistically means 'striking the earth' http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/crt.htm#news

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  8. What's the burning about? by Elkboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking of asteroids... I've heard somewhere that the burning of objects that enter the atmosphere being caused by friction is a misconception. Instead, it's actually heating caused by the immense air pressure that's created when an object moves fast enough through air. Is this true?

  9. Re:Literally by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, yeah, and there's also the fact that nobody uses radar to discover these things anyway. It's all done with mirrors - that is to say, optical telescopes.

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  10. Saw one Explode at Football Game... by also+aswell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It was back in maybe 1965/66? Dark night with no moon, playing an away game of jv football in Albemarle? NC.

    That sucker arced across 20% of the sky with a really orange red tail and exploded. Almost looked like dawn was coming, I waited for sound, started counting off seconds to range it's distance, but no sound ever came.

    Just for a moment I thought it was the Russians, but that's another story.

    Something I will never forget.

    And some asteroids come even closer, entering the atmosphere. Most never reach the ground because they break apart under the stress of entry. One study of data collected by U.S. military satellites logged 300 in-air asteroid explosions.

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  11. Politician mocked for supporting asteroid research by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's interesting to note that when Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY) tried to introduce a bill to provide additional funding for tracking near-earth asteroids, he was mocked by some of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's aides. In general, supporting things like this (even though they're actually pretty important) is a good way to get yourself targeted for "not caring about things here on Earth."

  12. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, let's run some numbers, shall we?

    Warning! Gross oversimplifications and estimates follow! :-)

    For the purposes of this problem, we'll assume the ginormous million-year doomsday rock, a 1000-m diameter chunk of iron. A 1000-meter sphere of iron has a mass of 3.30 × 10^13 kilograms. At an impact speed of, say, 30 km/s (approximately Earth's speed of orbit around the sun), that rock has a total of (1/2) * (3.30×10^13 kg) * (3×10^4 m/s)^2 = 1.5 × 10^22 Joules of kinetic energy.

    Now, let's make some assumptions about the atmosphere. We'll assume the atmosphere is of uniform density, distribution, and composition, and about 120km high (not a terrible approximation, but not a good one either). The volume of the atmosphere is then (4/3) * pi * ((6.498×10^6)^3 - (6.378×10^6)^3) = 6.25 × 10^19 m^3.

    The density of air at sea level is approximately 1.29 kg/m^3, so the mass of our atmosphere is then (6.25×10^19 m^3) * (1.29kg/m^3) = 8.06 × 10^19 kg.

    If we assume the volume remains constant, the specific heat of the atmosphere is 716 J/kg*K, so the introduction of 1.5 × 10^22 Joules of energy will result in a temperature increase of dT = E / (m*s) = (1.5 × 10^22) / (8.06 × 10^19 kg * 716 J/kg*K) = 0.26 K

    So, in summary, a 1-km diameter asteroid made entirely of iron, travelling at 30km/s relative to the Earth, and assuming all the kinetic energy was converted to thermal energy and spread evenly across the entire globe, would raise worldwide temperature by less than half a degree celsius.

    Now, if we assume a rock like the one supposed to have extinguished the dinosaurs, i.e., a 10-km rock, which consequently has 1000 times the mass, then the global temperature change could be as high as 260 degrees celsius, which is where things really start cooking.

    If I made any slip-ups in my math, please point them out. It's entirely possible, since I didn't bother double-checking. Although I made so many liberal assumptions anyway that if you use these numbers for anything, you're crazy. This was more a diversion into the sort of problem you'd find in an elementary physics textbook than an actual scientific exercise. :-)

  13. Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... by Benm78 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I didn't check the calculations, but I see a few problems with the assumptions:

    We'll assume the atmosphere is of uniform density, distribution, and composition, and about 120km high (not a terrible approximation, but not a good one either).

    The atmosphere is not that thick really. There is atmosphere up to this height, but its density is minuscule at an altitude of say 100 km. If you would assume constant density, it would be safe to assume a thickness twice the altitude where pressure is half that at sea level. This equates to around 2*5km, since at 5km pressure is 0.5 atm, and 50% of the air mass is contained below this level.

    This would increase the temperature rise 60-fold, an increase of 15K... which would probably not kill us all, but would have great impact on life.

    On the positive side, much of the energy generated will be radiated into space (over half of all radiation produced is directed away from earth). As the whole process probably occurs at high temperature, much of the energy will be radiant.

    Finally, the other half of the radiant energy will strike the ground, heating up soil and water, increasing the total amount of mass that absorbes the energy.

    Pretty complex stuff ;)