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Qt 4 Beta 1 Available for Download

scc writes "Get it here. Trolltech's press release gives the details, including the projected release date: late first quarter 2005. Qt is the cross-platform GUI framework at the heart of KDE. At the same time, Trolltech released under the GPL Qtopia 2.1, an implementation of their GUI framework for Linux-based PDAs."

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  1. No Free Windows Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think Qt is great, I use it for most of my projects, the only annoying thing is that the Windows version isn't free. There are free Linux and Mac versions released under the GPL, but no Windows version. \

    The whole point of Qt is to make it easier to have software run on multiple OS's, but I can't test any of my stuff on Windows. Oh well, still kick ass software.

    1. Re:No Free Windows Version by computerme · · Score: 4, Interesting

      oh for petes sake!

      Can you at least to a simple google search to find out why this is not so??!

      Its not like its been brought up on slashdot EVERY SINGLE TIME QT IS MENTIONED....

      Short answer for the kids that ride the short yellow bus:

      They had a free version for windows.

      It was supposed to be used for only apps that were free and not for a commercial entity such as an in house enterprise app or commercial app.

      But guess what? Nearly no one on the windows side followed the rules and Trolltech lost $$$$$$$$.

      So blame your windows buddies.

      They are to blame. Not trolltech.

      If you make or save money on an app you build for a commercial entity, YOU should pay for it.

      Don't agree with me or Troltech?

      Don't USE IT!

      Simple.

  2. more info here by carnivore302 · · Score: 5, Informative
    The press release is a bit light on details of what to expect from this release. here is a link that describes some of the features of the final qt4 version.

    Qt designer and assistent apparently can be embedded into kdeveloper, visual studio etc.

    Other improvements include

    a new paint engine

    a new text rendering engine

    new containers (which are lighter than the STL ones)

    better support for multithreading

    a new docking architecture

    and last but not least better performance and smaller memory footprint.

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  3. Re:Don't forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So basically your saying that they shouldn't be allowed to make money off Qt, but you should be allowed to make money off your software that uses it? Nice.

  4. Qt saved C++ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Qt has done more for C++ than any other single project. Kudos to the Trolls.

  5. Re:Don't forget by Corbin+Dallas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It costs a lot of money to develop commercial software with Qt (and by extension KDE) because they use the full GPL license (as opposed to something more reasonable like the LGPL) for the Qt library to extort money from developers. Trolltech effectively control any possible commercial software market for KDE (or anything that uses Qt).

    So what if you have to buy a licence for commercial development? If you're out to make money on your software then you deserve to pay. Show me another cross-platform development suite as flexable and powerful as Qt that's free. Go on, I'll wait right here till you get back.

    But naturally, Trolltech are benign lovable types, aren't they? Sure they are... except they are part-owned by SCO and Canopy -- the Linux IP grab and sue specialists. Avoid Qt. It's poisonous to free software.

    If you're going to troll, at least take the time to write something with fewer holes in it. Trolltech is partially owned by Canopy but not SCO. Big deal. If you were to discover that the Unibomber owned 5% of Nabisco, would you really avoid eating thier crackers? Qt ( and Trolltech ) are great friends to FOSS.

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  6. still more info here by Mitchell+Mebane · · Score: 4, Informative
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  7. Re:I don't intend to start a flame war! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pulled this from the newsgroups...and it covers most diffenences between GTk and QT:::

    - Qt is C++ based but it uses C++ in its own way because of its cross-platform
    nature (through a special preprocessor)
    - GTK is C based but it uses its own "object oriented" approach.
    - Qt can rely on QtDesigner and KDevelop that, together, make up a real IDE
    (similar to Visual Studio)
    - GTK must rely on Glade only, that is a GUI builder equivalent to QtDesigner.
    There is nothing like KDevelop for GTK (AFAIK).
    - Qt runs (with recompilation) on Linux/Unix, MacOS X and Windows (all
    versions)
    - GTK runs on Linux. There is a porting of the old GTK1.2 for Windows. A
    Porting for Mac OS X is under development (AFAIK)
    - Qt has internal support for scripting (QAS)
    - Should you need to add scripting capabilities to a GTK application, you have
    to embed your own engine (Python, LUA...)
    - Qt has integrated data-aware widget for data-centric applications.
    - GTK has a separate project (gnome-db) for data-aware widgtes
    - Qt-based applications and the KDE desktop "talks" each other via DCOP
    - GTK applications and Gnome "talks" each other via CORBA
    - Qt has exhaustive bindings for Python and a few other language (maybe Perl
    and Scheme)
    - GTK has exhaustive bindings for C++ (GTKmm), Python (PyGTK) and Ruby. There
    are less complete bindings for Perl, Scheme, Lua and so on. Have a look at
    www.gtk.org for a complete listing of the available bindings and their
    development status.
    - Qt has exhaustive documentation and a lot of examples form Trolltech and the
    KDE team
    - GTK has exhaustive documentation and a lot of examples from GTK team
    - Qt is freeware on Linux only
    - GTK is always freeware (but it is not completely available on Windows and
    MacOS X)

    Should you need to develop x-platform applications, have a look at wxWindows
    (and wxPython) as well. The Linux implementation of wxWindows relies on GTK+
    but wxWindows can run on Windows (all versions) as well, thanks to MFC, and
    on MacOS (all versions), thanks to a specific GUI engine.

  8. if only GUI libraries were really multithreaded by CoughDropAddict · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hear QT is good stuff. This isn't a slam on QT in particular.

    However, I'm still waiting for the day when mainstream GUI libraries catch up to where BeOS was ten years ago, and put drawing in a separate thread from everything else.

    There is absolutely no reason why GUI applications need to become sluggish when they are doing something computationally intensive. There's no reason that an application should stop posting redraws every time it makes a blocking call (like, for example, doing file i/o).

    My eyes were opened to this shortcoming of "modern" GUI libraries by an entry in Bram's diary a while ago.