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Qt 4 Beta 1 Available for Download
scc writes "Get it here. Trolltech's press release gives the details, including the projected release date: late first quarter 2005. Qt is the cross-platform GUI framework at the heart of KDE. At the same time, Trolltech released under the GPL Qtopia 2.1, an implementation of their GUI framework for Linux-based PDAs."
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I think Qt is great, I use it for most of my projects, the only annoying thing is that the Windows version isn't free. There are free Linux and Mac versions released under the GPL, but no Windows version. \
The whole point of Qt is to make it easier to have software run on multiple OS's, but I can't test any of my stuff on Windows. Oh well, still kick ass software.
I think QT should be GPL'ed and then further developed in the open source community. That would also make porting QT applications to windows easier.
I'm especially happy about Arthur and the new Qt Designer, we will finally have an accelerated OpenGL? desxtop and all will be smooth due to double buffering.
My only gripe is that the performance is still not great, but that should be expected with debugging code and all.
Trolltech is doing great work.
It costs a lot of money to develop commercial software with Qt (and by extension KDE) because they use the full GPL license (as opposed to something more reasonable like the LGPL) for the Qt library to extort money from developers. Trolltech effectively control any possible commercial software market for KDE (or anything that uses Qt).
But naturally, Trolltech are benign lovable types, aren't they? Sure they are... except they are part-owned by SCO and Canopy -- the Linux IP grab and sue specialists. Avoid Qt. It's poisonous to free software.
Qt designer and assistent apparently can be embedded into kdeveloper, visual studio etc.
Other improvements include
a new paint engine
a new text rendering engine
new containers (which are lighter than the STL ones)
better support for multithreading
a new docking architecture
and last but not least better performance and smaller memory footprint.
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That's what you are. Even on XMas fags like you complain the jitznitz outta things.
Qt has done more for C++ than any other single project. Kudos to the Trolls.
This is very true. Qt makes C++ programming fun by avoiding the STL completely. And by God, how I hate the STL!
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I thought that was QuickTime for a second there. Then I realised that Quicktime is at 6.5.
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Trolltech said that the reason why there's no GPL version of Qt/win32 is because Windows is not a free platform. On the other hand, they do have GPL versions for closed source unices, like HPUX. What's the deal with that?!
Anyways, Qt 4 is going to be a magnitude slower than Qt 3. Don't expect your old pentium to run KDE 4 with decent speed.
Oh, and the new designer is horrible. I want MDI back!
Newbies who might not read the heading properly or actually go to the link itself http://www.trolltech.com/products/index.html might think /. was in a timewarp, circa 1997, releasing the beta for Quicktime 4!!!!
aahhh back in the days of Macromedia Director 4...just a web application developer and instructor in Toronto, ON Canada
This would not be connected to the success of the Opie Project, would it?
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Too bad. Qt is a good product. Too bad it's not open source.
Having programmed in both Qt/C++ and Java/Swing for several years I can say that Qt kicks Swing's butt for ease of programming, speed and simply a better looking interface. The subset of C++ that Qt employs can be quickly mastered by any programmer - professional or novice. KDE is proof of that. When you are thinking about a cross-platform GUI think twice before going with Swing. It may be free - but you get exactly what you pay for.
I hope the new management of Canopy (which owns SCO) replaces Ralph Yarro as a Director of Trolltech. If Trolltech can get Ralph Yarro dumped from their Board, then they'll get rid of big problem. Open Source advocates can then take them more seriously. Their license? That's another story.
The article at KDE.news
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No, its not.. its a quality commercial product.
Sometimes it costs money to get good tools..
If you want free ( but with GPL strings attached ), go GTK.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Sorry, SCO owns a chunk of Trolltech ...
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http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/investors.htm
And Canopy (who owns SCO) has a seat on the board of Directors currently occupied by Ralph Yarro (Darl Macbride's boss).
I thought QuickTime was on like, version 6 or 8 or something. WTF?
Everyone knows QT != GPL! That means it's not free! This software is no better than Microsoft's Clippy application! Stay away, it's not Free, they're ripping off all the developers who have DONATED their time on this!
Oh, and f ceren, she sucks.
He said "port' which is what I've been wondering about. If Qt's as modular as I think it is, what's stopping someone from adding the code to hook into the GDI layer on Windows? For me, it's lack of interest as I don't need Qt under Windows for any of my GPL licensed projects (Fltk does well enough for what I'm needing...) and my preferred platform is Linux. I'm just wondering why there's not someone out there with the needs or desire to do this act.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
In the case of the aforementioned one on here, yes, don't feed them. In the case of Troll Tech, the people who came up with Qt, one should find a way to feed these folks wherever possible (incl. buying copies of the commercial product when feasible...).
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Until its BSD licensed its not truely free.. you are still heavly restricted on its use..
Im not trying to start a bsd/gpl flame war here.. just my personal feeling. I also dont have a problem with them being 100% commercial either.. its their toolkit.. their choice..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I've been using GTK for a while and gotten to like it. I'd like to know what does QT have to offer that GTK doesn't.
Cheers,
Adolfo
Trolltech is a Canopy supported company, same as SCO. Tell them to put their stuff where the sun don't shine.
I hear QT is good stuff. This isn't a slam on QT in particular.
However, I'm still waiting for the day when mainstream GUI libraries catch up to where BeOS was ten years ago, and put drawing in a separate thread from everything else.
There is absolutely no reason why GUI applications need to become sluggish when they are doing something computationally intensive. There's no reason that an application should stop posting redraws every time it makes a blocking call (like, for example, doing file i/o).
My eyes were opened to this shortcoming of "modern" GUI libraries by an entry in Bram's diary a while ago.
If movie trailers were largely in divx instead of QT, QT would be worthless!
I seriously doubt anyone released a commercial application based on the Windows Qt free edition, and how can you possibly know how many people used in in-house? And can Trolltech even restrict that? I think that argument is very much in question.
Let's face it trolltech loves to crow about being a free software company, supporters of free software, yet when it comes time to "put up or shut up" they whine and pout like britney spears...yet they happily use free software to further their cause and pay the people who wrote it NOTHING.
Youe post was mildly interesting, but ignores what I consider to be a decent reason for not releasing a free Qt/Win...Windows is not free.
My gut feeling is they should pull their Mac version and license it for less than the windows version.
And keep things free for the free O/S. This would be a more logical argument from my perspective.
Finally, I think Qt is doomed. Within a matter of a couple more years Eclipse and the SDL will be rock solid and native on a number of platforms...including Windows, Mac and Linux. So that will be the end of Qt and TrollTech. Truly free software, from people who do not whine and cry, will win the day.
GTK IDE. If I read it right, there is you kdevelop 'alternative' for GTK projects. Though I believe you could do the same thing with kdevelop, so I don't know why you'd need something else, unless you wern't running KDE.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
The Qt framework definitely proves that C++ is head and shoulders above Java. All that C++ needs now is garbage collection, and we can forget about Java!
I suggest Qt to be names the official standard C++ library, and the governments around the world to pay Trolltech with a large annual amount of money so as that Trolltech can work for the next version. It's a pity that such good software is not the C++ standard!
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Why bother.
That's D. With garbage collection, interfaces, etc. 'D' looks very promising. Without the overhead of JIT compiled languages, I think it's worth looking at seriously.
(Don't get me wrong here, I love Java / C / C++ and all others, but C/C++ has some deficiencies that can not be over looked -- Just remember -- The right tools for the right job.)
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/
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QT is a cutie! ...
get it? "kiu - tee"! get it??
thank you, thank you..
Show me the money
I, for one, refuse to use anything that requires QT,
just try saying "D compiler" and you know it will fall appart :p
D looks nice...
but will people use it?
>All that C++ needs now is garbage collection, and we can forget about Java!
The thing that is really important is called reflection. Without it tools like Hibernate, Struts, Tapestry, Spring, Hivemind, probably EJB and many more wouldn't be possible. Garbage Collection is just a nice touch.
fork a version of qt that was free for use in windows?Just curious
Qt provides full reflection.
I don't understand why I was modded as 'troll'. I made a sincere comment of how Qt is so good that it should be made a standard. Anybody have any ideas???
I don't eat Nabisco crackers because they are cruel to elves.
but you can't browse the web in Boost, nor can you compose an email in Boost, nor can you create a spreadsheet in Boost. But this is all possible with Qt and KDE. Boost is not a reason to choose a development language. It is nice set of utilities to assist in the development of something that you already started writing for other reasons.
Blah blah blah... C++ is so ugly ... blah blah blah ... _MY_LANGUAGE_ is better ... blah blah blah ... if this happened and that happened then _MY_LANGUAGE_ would have kicked ass ... blah blah blah.
Yawn.
Gee, I guess the millions of lines of C++ code in the thousands of KDE apps were all written by morons that could not see the elegance of your alternative. C++ programmers are a pragmatic bunch - they use what works today instead of what promises to work tomorrow. And you can't argue with the results.
It's called a "joke". Maybe you've heard of them before?
Why bother.
The book "C++ GUI programming with QT3" comes with a non commercial windows edition and Borland C++ 5 (free) or Borland C++ 6 trial edition. Also has the mac os x and *nix versions. You could also use cygwin and the QT ports for it. Well worth the price for the book....
Danger Will Robinson! You are now entering a condescending Unix user zone!
sheesh.