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Caveats In Reselling DSL Bandwidth To Neighbors?

chrisleetn writes "I'm contemplating getting Slashdot (Speakeasy) 6Mbps broadband or something similar and offering wireless internet access to my neighborhood. Speakeasy even has a plan to allow this. What should I be aware of as far as legal/business/regulatory implications? I know I need to restrict obvious illegal stuff and probably p2p to be safe, but is the local cable modem company going to come after me for competing with them? Has anyone done this who can offer some insight?"

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  1. Is it really worth the trouble? by Zweistein_42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Providing it free as a service probably wouldn't be too difficult. But would it make sense to go through all the hassle for the few bucks you can make?

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    1. Re:Is it really worth the trouble? by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plenty of people have "rediscovered" the barter system, hell, many never forgot it.

      I set up a laptop with quickbooks and some custom invoices and reciepts for a friend of mine who runs a tree service, in return he cut down a few trees and ground out some stumps.

      I fixed another friend of a friends' kids PS2, and he (a plumber) came over and helped me replace a hot water heater.

      I do it all the time, it's all about being social and knowing the right people, and having something to trade.

      It works well for us.. Many/most tradesmen who work with their hands don't know shit about their PCs.

      My neighbour is a cabinetmaker by trade, and a contractor. This idea of giving him free wireless internet is intriguing. I think I might just offer him free internet forever* if he helps me build the bar I want.

      * - forever does not necessarily mean "for ever"

      I wish 'society' could be a little more social. Look at an amish barnraising to see how much can be accomplished in a short amount of time if people will pitch in.

      Yet, despite the fact that I sweated and toiled one weekend to help a neighbour install a chain link fence, he just sat there with his new snowblower while watching me bust my ass shovelling my driveway when he could have done it in about 5 minutes.

      Oh well, people are a bunch of asses. That's why we invented money.

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    2. Re:Is it really worth the trouble? by bwy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet, despite the fact that I sweated and toiled one weekend to help a neighbour install a chain link fence, he just sat there with his new snowblower while watching me bust my ass shovelling my driveway when he could have done it in about 5 minutes.

      Oh well, people are a bunch of asses. That's why we invented money.


      Unfortunately, even inside close circles of family and friends, shit occasionally happens. I'd never recommend doing anything of large financial scale with family or friends without having a written contract. Part of the problem is people interpret things differently or have different expectations. You might make a handshake deal to rent a condo you own to a family member for $500 a month. Sounds good, huh? Well, what does this include? For how long? What happens if the condo association dues go up? Can you raise the rate? What if said family member loses his job? Is he expecting you to let the rent slide for 6 months or a year? If the place is dirty when he finally moves out and needs new carpet and paint, who pays?

      In fact, contract or no contract, I've often found it better NOT to do business with friends. I know of too many cases where it has ruined relationships that I assure you were originally rock-solid.

      That said, there is nothing wrong with friends helping friends on occasion as long as there are no expectations. This is what friendship is all about.

  2. ... but the upload sucks by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At 768 up you would need some way to cap their upload. Otherwise you'd risk a neighbor ruining it for everybody.

  3. You need a captive portal! by IO+ERROR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You might want to set up something like NoCatAuth. NoCatAuth redirects users to a login page, implementing a captive portal system. This is important if you're selling the service because you want to be able to grant and deny access, and 802.11[A-Za-z] is otherwise full of holes.

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  4. This Is Rather Simple by Cylix · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is one of those cases where some simple common sense comes into play.

    Alright, so you not going to be an illicit reseller, but an authorized body capable of forming a legal binding agreements with your customers.

    ISP's do this all the time... they simple resell bandwidth they have purchased from their providers.

    Basically, write out what services you will provide and clearly define what you won't allow. It needs to be clearly written and agreed upon by your clients.

    After that, you simply need to track ip addresses (assumming DHCP will be in iuse), keep mail logs (if you provide smtp/pop service) and generally ensure that you can track illicit activity back to the source if requested to do so by a court order.

    It's simply a matter of accountability and this is something you can easily do given it is a service you can provide.

    Anything else is just extra, but it would probably be a good idea to track bandwidth usage.

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  5. Unprotected Wireless... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What you do with your bandwidth, as long as it doesn't violate terms of service, is your business, not that of your local cable company.

    However, would your neighbors be willing to pay?

    In my neighborhood, I can count no less than 9 unprotected networks. Most of them are all on the default linksys channel of 6 with the default SSID of "linksys". That can sometimes make them difficult to use since they tend to interfere. Some of them are configured well enough to be usable but are still not protected.

    I've found that in the rare events that my internet connection goes down, I've been able to easily just use a neighbor's. I'd feel worse about doing it if it weren't for the fact that it's so common, but it's very common.

    A friend and I drove around town one night with a laptop and a wireless 802.11g card and we kept finding Netgear and Linksys routers all night.

    Most of them had the default passwords. It's very scary, really.

    The scary ones are the ones who know enough to make serious changes to their configuration, but still don't have the sense to change their passwords.

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  6. No Way by global_diffusion · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you go through Speakeasy, they set it up so that the people you sell it to are their customers, and not yours. The deal is that the more you sell, the less you pay. It's a good deal.

  7. Tech support by Epsillon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Be VERY careful. If you help one neighbour even once with a connectivity issue, chances are your door will never be silent again. This is not a joke. Trust me, you will be sat in front of other people's computers more than you are your own. Be firm from the outset. I'm sure you have better things to do with your time than being dragged from house to house to put the WEP key back in, only to have some luser remove it again.

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  8. Re:Why would the cable modem company come after yo by iocat · · Score: 5, Informative

    This should answer your questions. It's all good.

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