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Japan Pins Tourism Hopes on PDA
Sammy at Palm Addict writes "According to Australia News.com, Japan will start lending PDA's to foreign visitors to help tourists get to grips with the country. The aim is to make Japan more attractive to foreign tourists, who are often put off by the country's language barrier. The PDA's will be loaded with travel information and translation services as part of a tourism promotion scheme. "Japan's tourism authority will lend the PDAs containing Chinese, Korean and English software, to selected tourists who land at Narita Airport near Tokyo from February through March to test the response" Japan's transport ministry said."
Wow, a high-tech solution to a low-tech problem. Tourist areas all over the world manage this without PDAs. By having signs in a second language, using the latin alphabet. And where restaurants have cards in multiple languages.
What a waste of electrons.
Why does it have to be a PDA? I mean a magazine or pamphlet would seemingly be just as useful to most people (and much cheaper). Put some common translations that tourists might need in a little book, and throw in a good map and some sightseeing information, and you're all set. Now granted, the magazine will not have GPS capability or be able to talk to me or whatever...but still it is only
On another note, PDA's are still pretty touchy most times. They do lock up occasionally, and someone who has never used it could get confused. The batteries die, the screens get scratched up, the stylus gets lost...all of which make it inconvenient to loan out to someone visiting the country.
Ah it's no problem, the flightticket will cover the cost for buying a new PDA ;) and they'll even throw chopsticks for free.
Someone once told me that I'd have to have at least $1500 if I want to visit Japan. Then add another ~$1000(last I checked) for the flightticket. So it's not very cheap.
having traveled in Japan, I've found the double sided maps adequate for getting around. They are printed with Japanese on one side and another language, say English on the other. It's a simple matter of pattern recognition to get around and after a while one learns to read the Japanese signs at the transport stops. The PDA will make this a little easier, but a paper map is much more robust. A phrase book is also very helpful and incorporation into the PDA will be handy.
Install japanese language support for your operating system. (Start/Settings/Control Panel/Regional Settings in Windows). Yes, it really is a quite trivial thing to do. I have no idea what you are babbling on about paying for japanese fonts. Do you think all native japanese people pay someone to be able to read and write text on their computers?
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http://www.narita-airport.or.jp/e-navi/howto.html
No, no, no,
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USA: They knock you down [blame you] and steal the PDA [blame society for their lack of income]. Thus concluding that none of the actions were their own responsiblitiy.
Canada: They knock you over [apologize] but don't help you up [don't really care] and then swipe your PDA when you're not looking [finder keepers]. When caught they try to laugh it off and say "it was only a PDA".
Mexico: Well they're all drunk so they'd stumble into you [pissed] would see the PDA and not know what it is. The flashy lights though would trigger some primal instinct and they would steal it and try to fence it for some more urea contaminated drinks.
But let's get international:
France: They would run you down with one of those 400lbs minis. Then back up, steal the PDA and mutter something about your heritage why driving away.
England: They would hoof ya with a good soccer kick, write "liverpool forever" on your chest and steal the PDA to pay for a pint.
Switzerland: Would let you walk by and watch on as Canada, the USA, Mexico, France and England beat the shit out of you. They wouldn't need the PDA because everyone knows when you're hiding in the hills you don't need electricity.
I kid because I care.
Tom
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A guide to katakana (Japanese phonetic characters for foreign words) would be nice.. Or perhaps a little education campaign about it.
Many of the most important signs are written in katakana, which in essence means they are written in English. There are only 46-or-so basic characters to learn, which you can get a decent handle on by the time you step off the plane. This is more than enough to find hotels (hoteru), order food and drinks off most menus, find restaurants (resutoran), etc.
I knew katakana in Japan and only a few Japanese words. I'm not kidding about how handy it was.
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second question, i had 4 japanese girls come and ask me if i was searching for a girlfriend...interpret that as you will, that is all i have to say about that
Time to figure out what the Kanji on the back your T-shirt says?
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
A collegue of mine told me that he had to pay $5 an apple when visting there. Granted, they probably do not grow many apples in Japan, but here in Montreal we do not pay $5 the Marocan tangerine.
Japan is expensive, and Tokyo very much, but it's not that extreme, or at least I can't verify.
In restaurants, we paid less than twice of what we pay at home. Substract another 10% because you don't tip in Japan. Then you're at roughly London prices.
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They ran a similar pilot during the same period last year.
From the looks of the website - the devices haven't really changed much.
http://www.narita-airport.jp/e-navi/
They are, however very fun toys even if nothing has changed. I'm planning to be in Japan again in a few months and if they have any available I'll definitely try them out.
I would love to go to Japan, but simple calculations put a 20 day trip there beyond my financial limits and there are still alot of cheaper places in the world I want and financially can see. Just to give you a quote of the Lonely Planet.
Japan is probably the most expensive country in the world for travel
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Not sure you'd find decent prices for electronics in Japan. I think I saw a DVD player somewhere around $200-300, a 25" CRT HD set for about $1800, and crappy 17" LCD monitors with really thick bezels for around $500. No, thanks.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
Judging from just the comments so far, I fear this amount of misinformation this thread is going to pickup about Japan. Perhaps the PDA can just have a nice little FAQ for the uninformed who somehow or another managed to wind up in Tokyo. (Because they thought it would be neat.) Or the simple things, like "proper business card manners" for the businessmen.
So far in this thread I've seen all the typical: misleading posts about Japan hating foreigners, misleading posts about Japanese loving foreigners, uninformed posts about the language, complete and utter guesswork abound... etc. Japan seems to be a really popular place for folks with a few thousand bucks and too much time on their hands to head off to these days, head full of myths and a complete unwillingness to deal with anything not of their own culture... then come back and proclaim to all they meet what they "learned".
I figure it's only a matter of time before someone posts the myth that immersion (as an adult) instantly and automagically equals the best way to learn the complex language and writing that even the Japanese spend much of their schooling learning. In short, best of luck... you could actually study the language, culture, and actually try to make a good impression, but I suppose that was never really the point.
"Xenophobic" is the right word.
After being self-isolated for over a thousand years, then before forced to trade at gun point of the US navy, humiliated into signing the unequal trade treaties, internally usurped by the youth who felt humiliated, forced into WW2 by this youth, declared the bad guys, nuked, occupied, and run by a puppet government, one wonders why.
I went to Japan for the first time this year as part of a tour group. I also was afraid of the language barrier, even though I actually know a little Japanese and can read a bit. But it was a lot easier than I could have imagined. Many of the people know enough English to answer basic questions, especially the younger people.
At the hotels, all of the staff know quite a bit of English, as well as the staff at all the tourist spots. Mind you, I was in Osaka, not Japan, which should have been less-English friendly but wasn't. Many of the signs are in English on the Highways and in mass transit, so getting around was a piece of cake.
It was certainly easier to get around than I expected, and although I knew a bit of Japanese, I avoided using it (mostly due to my fear of being embarassed for saying something inadvertantly inappropriate). I'd imagine Tokyo would be even more friendly for tourists, and I'd definitely like to go there one day. In short, everyone should consider going there; the language barrier isn't much of one. I think I had a harder time getting around in Europe than I did in Japan.
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after reading this stupid and obviously wrong post i think my i.q. actually dropped
I've read about this on other websites, this project is so tiny it's practically nonexistent, there are only 50 PDAs to loan. There is considerable speculation that the project is intended primarily to gather GPS data on tourist travels rather than to provide any useful information to tourists.
After being self-isolated for over a thousand years
Less than 250 years, actually. And there was still contact being made, particularly trade with the Portuguese and Chinese.
then before forced to trade at gun point of the US navy
One right.
humiliated into signing the unequal trade treaties
While the treaties were unequal (yet better than the ones that other countries in the region would get), the Japanese government actually liked them at the time. Particularly those parts limiting their interaction with those nasty gaijin.internally usurped by the youth who felt humiliated
Humiliated by the Tokugawa Shogunate, not the Americans. The Satsuma and Choshu had been suffering long before Perry showed up.
forced into WW2 by this youth
Started hostilities, you mean, by invading Manchuria in 1931 and China in 1937. (I'd throw in their invasion of Korea, but since it happened in 1910, that's even too early for a snide WW1 remark.)
declared the bad guys, nuked, occupied
More correct information.
and run by a puppet government
Come on. The LDP isn't that bad...
for future reference, the shirt in question says
nihonjin kanojo boshuchuu (currently accepting applications for a japanese girlfriend) and why doesn't slashdot let me post japanese characters??
and if you wear that shirt, japanese people will feel embarassed for you, so i suggest you don't ^_^
From the chinese I know here, this is only partly true, and depends a lot on the style of writing used.
It is true that Kanji was taken from the Chinese from the beginning. Also, a large corpus of words written onloy using Kanji have been borrowed; they tend to be abstract terms or high-status words, while the older, indigenuous words are more familiar (think "ascertain" versus "make sure").
However, the actual meaning of the Kanji have tended to shift or extend somewhat differently, and so have the borrowed words. And Japanese is written with two other writing systems in combination with Kanji. This includes the all-important particles that determine what role each word has in the sentence.
Being able to decipher Kanji is helpful, but will give you only the barest inkling of the intended meaning, and that only with sentences that are straightforward - with signs probably being among the easiest.
It is worth noting here that in train stations and the like, signs are usually in Chinese, Korean and English as well. And at least in Kyoto subway, announcements are bilingual too. You aren't totally lost when you come here. The biggest problem really is being able to communicate with people, not read signs.
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