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More on China's IPv6 Network Buildout
photojournaliste writes "China has developed and demonstrated its first high-performance network core router based on the next-generation Internet standard known as IPv6, which the country officially inaugurated earlier this week." There's also a CNet story, which has a bit more information than our earlier story.
Does anyone know if there are similar projects in scope and concept to this one?
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Yes, this new router does IPv6 and the Cisco 12016 doesn't, but isn't the model number a little familiar?
Is this the Intel/AMD "486" thing all over again?
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Some experts have predicted that once China has embraced IPv6, Western countries that wish to do business with Asia will have to upgrade their own networks.
There is actually some truth in this, and might increase the accepetance rate. Same thing is happening to governments using OOo file formats is all, but at a smaller scale.
However, the other article said that it is backward compatible with ipv4, are they using some kind of NAT then, or is it just backward compatible in the sense that the Chinese network can read of ipv4 networks.
Another critique is that, whilst this network uses ipv6, it is mainly used to connect university networks, therefore, business won't be as much pushed to adopt ipv6, hence the article...
I really believe that this is a good thing. Many people are not embracing IPv6 due to lack of a high-profile rollout showing its feasability. Also, much of the software out there does not take advantage of IPv6. Having such a large number of people using IPv6 will persuade a few more people to start coding their software capable of using IPv6 addressing.
I really look forward to the day when I can (once again) have end-to-end connectivity with peers. The proliferation of NAT devices truly has changed the face of the Internet from a large peer-to-peer network with content at every corner, to a client-server model where content is only served by those with enough capital.
This is readily apparent in the draconian acceptable useage policies of most providers.
I *want* to be able to connect to any of my home machines from work, and vice-versa (firewall permitting). I would *love* to have my own block of portable address space for me to do with as I please.
I simply can't wait for this to catch on in more places. I encourage all of you to look into IPv6 and see how much added benefit you could get from having a near-unexhaustable pool of addresses available.
From the news.com article
By increasing this to 128 bits, IPv6 provides billions more IP addresses
Billions? Try 3.4 dodecillion
On the other hand, it's still pretty easy to tunnel IPV4 through IPV6, so where is the incentive to upgrade going to be?
At least running Linux at home, that's one conversion worry I don't have :-)
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It helps to be last to market. They get those nice pebble bed nuclear reators, IPv6, no need to waste all the money with land lands just use the latest WiFi or cell phone tech, etc.
The problem with private address spaces is that they technically break the end-to-end structure of the Internet, not to mention a number of protocols. While most NAT routers now finally have helper apps to take care of protocols like FTP and IRC, it's still a pain in the a** at times.
:-(
However, the IP6 rollout is going to be an expensive process. It certainly hasn't gone at the pace that we were being told four or five years ago.
For myself, I've moved the company I work for away from some of their older hardware to Linux-based routers. This way we won't be shovelling money down Ci$co's throat, and the upgrade, at least at the head, will require nothing more than a reconfiguration.
Of course, there is our old Ci$co AS5200 dialup server. That may have to be put in an IP4 NAT space.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
..because they are running out of non-RBL'd IPv4 space from which to spam....
No they rely on things like this:f m?pl=33&wt=2 y .php?skey=ch_1600t_400t_100
:-)
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and this:
http://www.ixiacom.com/products/chassis/ch_displa
I used one of these to demonstrate to the IT department of my megacorp exactally why my networking lab needed it's own isolated subnet on its own Cat6K, and its own servers.
Once I started pumping out thousands of frames per second of random IP and MAC addresses their routers started dying under the loads.
I got everything I asked for
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I *want* to be able to connect to any of my home machines from work, and vice-versa. NAT and port forwarding take care o this already. Most companies DON'T wan any machine to be publicly accesible.
China has developed and demonstrated its first high-performance network core router based on the next-generation Internet standard
China? Are they public yet? What's their ticker, I can't find it??
According to the article, half of the 'core' networking equipment was suppied by chinnese companties, of the two, one happened to be Huawei technolgies.
Lest we forget!
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One of my favorite quotes to be found on cisco's website:
Copying of IOS source code: Cisco alleges that Huawei has copied portions of the Cisco IOS source code and included the technology in its operating system for its Quidway routers and switches. Huawei's operating system contains a number of text strings, file names, and bugs that are identical to those found in Cisco's IOS source code.
There is a rather better article on the subject of IPV6 adoption at InternetWeek, but that article is now four years old.
As for the specific information in the article,
"IPv6 provides billions more IP addresses" - I think the reporter is a bit confused about all these large numbers. IPv6 provides billions of TIMES more addresses. More even than that in fact; 2 to the power 128 is 79228162514264337593543950336 times greater than 2 to the power 32. (This calculation was brought to you by GNU bc)
"It was created and deployed in response to ... especially as Web use in Asia rises sharply." - The author has fallen for the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. In any case, the beginning of the development of IPv6 occurred significantly before the extensive takeup of Internet technologies in Asia.
As other people have already mentioned (including in the reader comments below the article - I would have contributed but see no point in "registering" with CNET), goodness knows where the journalist got their figure of "257 nodes". They should perhaps take the time to either check their notes or cross-check the information their sources are giving them.
Something the author failed to point out is that it is not only Asian countries that have been working with IPV6. There has been significant piloting in most countries that make use of the Internet. This means that there are IPV6 over IPv4 tunneling facilities that work therse days, meaning that it is not necessary for countries up upgrade everything to IPv6 in order for their businesses to trade with China, no matter what the article implies.
Apparently, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
...and you call yourself networkBoy.
The "Internet2 speed record" had Dell boxes running NetBSD pushing 4Gbps for an hour with no packet loss.
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OK I'm a network engineer been one for 15 years. IPv6 does not make customer address space portable, it does make it easier to "renumber" but in no way does it even help multi homing. So you IP's from your provider are no more portable actualy since the rules for getting IPv6 space are harder pretty much anybody withou an AS does not qualify and there are 16 bits of those half of them allready used. v6 only deals with multicast and IP space as it's big wins. Funny the telco's dont want Multicast to work and the IP space thing isn't hurting anybody yet you can get all the space you can justify and pay for.
:) but most people dont qualify for a /19 and dont have 2.5k to buy the block.
BTW I can do what you described with NAT and with Public IP space (yes I have a public Class C in my home
No sir I dont like it.
Contrary to what many people know...there are MANY networks that are IPv6 enabled. Just not many IPv6 apps.
ALL of abiline (Internet2) is v6 enabled, just not all the way to clients.
Here is an up to date map of deployment of Ipv6 on I2.
http://www.abilene.iu.edu/images/v6.pdf
Can you guess the winner? Did Germany pay the Wright Brothers royalties on their intellectual property? How about the USSR and the A bomb? India and AIDS drugs? The very notion that an idea can be owned by any one person or corporation is absurd. As for the alleged wholesale plagiarism, well... that's karma for you. It serves Cisco right for helping build the great firewall of China. I feel no pity for them.