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Inside the Shadow Internet

Paladin144 writes "Wired has a report about the mysterious 'pirate networks' that obtain new movies, music & games before they are released and spread them throughout the net. It's not as simple as putting a movie on LimeWire. These people are highly organized and very paranoid about secrecy. They maintain a hidden network of top-level FTP sites that get the best files first and allow them to trickle down the pyramid and into many a slashdotter's sweaty little fingers."

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  1. Well.. by lightdarkness · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well... I used to be apart of one of the pyramids, before I got caught.

    I used to have access to the Distro section of an elite IRC channel, known across the net.

    They would give movies to those few, who would then take them to the regular channel.

    It's really crazy, and insanly hard to get in to, but you would get stuff very early.

    Also, easier to get caught, as I found out.

    1. Re:Well.. by lightdarkness · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Supprising, they punishment wasn't bad.

      They shut off our internet, until they could get a letter to us, and we had to sign it, saying we wouldn't do it again.

    2. Re:Well.. by lightdarkness · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I didn't watch 75% of the videos I downloaded

      The motivation was the statistics. Seeing that I shared 10 gigs of movies in a day kinda made me feel important. I was almost op'd in one of the channels due to how much I was doing.

      I just did a little search, and found out the site I used to do this for is still going. Very supprised at how they keep at it, when I was caught so easily.

    3. Re:Well.. by dirkdidit · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Movie Depot! Man they kicked ass. Had the good movies weeks before release.

      I remember them well. I wasn't at the very top of their pyramid, but I wasn't at the bottom, either. I was lucky enough to have a DSL connection back then (late '98-early '99) with a nice upload speed, so I was able to become one of the distribution FTPs. Once you established your "legitness", you'd easily be able to get movies 2 weeks or more, sometimes a month even, before they actually came out in theaters. I remember I had "The Matrix" three weeks before it ever came out. I thought I was cool shit, then again I was doing this as a rather naive 12 year old.

      As for what got me out the scene. A bunch of people that I regularly traded with were getting nailed, so I bailed. They were good times while they lasted, though. Haven't used a FTP for anything but legimate traffic since.

    4. Re:Well.. by dstech · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's because you were what is called a "mule" in the world of drug dealing. A mule is the low-end pusher/dealer, the person that deals with individual users, and always the fall guy. Not that I'm saying file sharing and drug dealing are analogous...

      In the warez community, as I understand it, you were probably either an "IRC/P2P Kiddie" or a "Racer" (if you got into sitetrading). Both of these are fairly easy to spot (from the perspective of syndicates like the RIAA & MPAA and the feds) because you are moving a lot of copyrighted data in plain text, with unobscured filenames. Until the very recent past, these "middlemen" were seen as fairly harmless by the FBI & co.

      Before the MPAA/RIAA campaigns against end users came into play, you would have been given a slap on the wrist (which, it would seem, is what happened). If you were doing the same stuff today, your personal information might have undergone the subpeona process the RIAA & MPAA have become infamous for, and you might have faced a civil suit and/or criminal charges. Consider yourself lucky to have gotten caught back then!

      (Most of my information comes from the article "A Guide to Internet Piracy" in 2600 Magazine, issue 21:2. It looks to be the same information, pretty much, as the Wired article mentioned in the top post, although I admit I have not RTFA. This is slashdot, after all...)

  2. Excellent overview of the pirate network by IO+ERROR · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The pirate release networks have been operating like this ever since people figured out how to connect two computers together. There has always been one or more topsites for any pirate group, and you can only get in by invitation.

    Back in the day, these sites were run on BBSs whose phone numbers were non-published and which only a few people had access to. These days it's FTP sites, but the principle is the same. And frequently it's not their own FTP sites, but someone else's site which isn't properly secured, but this happens more at the lower levels.

    Anyway, the networks run the same as they always have. You're either in or you're out. And most people are out.

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  3. Pissed off people by mellon101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article, and whoever it was they interviewed... really has some of these guys pissed off. http://www.vcdquality.com/index.php?page=nfo&id=46 020

  4. Re:Let me guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Heh heh. I'm 33 and let me tell you a 'when-I-was-your-age' story... When I was your age, you weren't even born yet, me and some friends had two C64s and two Amiga 1000s set up in an apartment. Back then, you called long distance to the BBS of interest. We used all the phreaker tricks to get free phone calls. The phone company knows when you do this and when you exceed a certain amount of time, they come to get you. And they did. Heh heh. I wasn't there when it happened, I was the hardware guy. But anyways those were the days.

  5. Re:In the day by poopdeville · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A "friend" of mine spent some time doing mp3 trading through several forums for a few years before Napster came out. Basically, he joined a niche channel on EFnet and got to know the regulars. I talked with them too -- they were really nice actually. Within a few months, he was a channel operator, was constantly invited to the "big" channels, and had access to a terabyte of mp3's (in 1997!) through various ftp servers. It's kind of like buying drugs -- you have to know when you've met the right people. Being really funny helps, too.

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  6. Re:Thank goodness for these people by pediddle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Haven't they? Premier DVDs are on sale now for $9.95, whereas just a year or two ago nothing was available for less than $20-25. IMO, publishers have realized that crappy Hollywood blockbusters that lots of people want to buy but nobody wants to pay for are prime targets for piracy. God knows I wouldn't pay $20 for a copy of Hellboy that I'd watch exactly once, but I'd more than likely download one. But I might pay $9.95 for one, especially if that's less than I would have paid in a theater the first time around.

  7. Quote of the Article ... by onosendai · · Score: 5, Interesting
    has to be ...
    Last summer Jun Group dropped a collection of live videos and MP3s from Steve Winwood on the topsites. "We got 2.9 million downloads," says Forest, "and album sales took off."
    ..Small sample set maybe, but hopefully soon, 'they' will understand that #downloads ~= #sales
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