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The Care and Feeding of Open Source Software

An anonymous reader writes "You might find The Care and Feeding of FOSS (Free Open Source Software) interesting. This article debunks a lot of the myths and misunderstandings about the open-source software development process."

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  1. The real reson by j_heisenberg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... FOSS has flourished in recent years is a tiny nuicance up in Seattle. Microsoft crushed (almost) all competitors in their main markets, OSes, productivity suits and browsers. The only way to avoid this fate was to produce free software, using the same tactic MS has employed.

    Another explanation would be: A lot of highly trained, intelligent and creative people have rather dull jobs, maintaining or servicing existing technology. They want to "realize their potential", and they do open source.

    1. Re:The real reson by Decaff · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... FOSS has flourished in recent years is a tiny nuicance up in Seattle.

      So tiny that Balmer spents a considerable amount of time each year flying out to meet governments and institutions in an effort to persuade them not to migrate to Linux.

      Microsoft crushed (almost) all competitors in their main markets, OSes,

      Microsoft has failed to control or dominate the server market, and is experiencing strong competition from Linux.

      productivity suits

      I don't see Open Office being crushed.

      and browsers.

      Erm. Firefox.

      The only way to avoid this fate was to produce free software, using the same tactic MS has employed.

      The same tactic? So Microsoft has published source code and provided free cross-platform versions of their products.

    2. Re:The real reson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FOSS existed WAY before commercial softaware existed. the FIRST computers were FOSS.

      it was greedy asshat's like Gates and company that turned free and open source into a dirty secret.

      and the closed source thing was not common until the mid 80's I remember getting my very first IBM-PC and it came with the sourcecode to the bios in the back of the manual.

      FOSS is simply taking back what was the norm for computing when it started. it's not bored people, it's people that know what is right and are doing what is right.

      Closed source is NOT RIGHT.

    3. Re:The real reson by ThogScully · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The grandparent talked about the recent successes of FOSS and attributed them to a greater need over the last few years.

      You started your reply seemingly to show him he's wrong by limiting your response to discussion of the last year or two and showing off the recent successes of FOSS.

      His point wasn't that there aren't good alternatives. His point was that if you look back further than a few years, MS did eliminate the competition in many realms. The alternatives you list now are a result of that.
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    4. Re:The real reson by Decaff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes it is. And I hope it makes huge gains. But my comment speaks directly to the main article, 'The care and feeding of Open Source'.

      I see what you mean. However, I was replying to the post that said that Microsoft has 'crushed all competition'.

      Where would OO.o be today without intial care and feeding from Sun?

      Not very far. Which is why the 'Sun is as bad as Microsoft' attitude which is common on Slashdot is so wrong. Sun has provided one of the killer apps for desktop Linux.

    5. Re:The real reson by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The source to the BIOS may have been available (although that's not my recollection) but it certainly wasn't free -- Phoenix went through a fair amount of work to create their "clean-room" implementation of that BIOS, and even then there were issues with non-IBM PC's, due to the lack of the tape BASIC ROM (which, AFAIK, was never duplicated) in the clones.

      Furthermore, WordStar was never open, WordPerfect was never open, Magic Wand, Electric Pencil, CP/M...the world of software was not a free software garden until Gates. Some of the freedom that RMS remembers had something to do with the lack of portability -- for many companies, software was just a way to sell hardware -- and some, I suspect, never really existed -- while I'm certain that he was invited to examine many AI projects, I'm not so sure that he ever tried to look at the source for MIT's payroll software.

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    6. Re:The real reson by akc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your horizons don't extend far enough back in time. It wasn't Gates who started commercial software.

      I did a number of projects on PDP 11s in the late 1970's and early 1980s and often had to buy software for it. In one instance I remember paying £3000 for a Pascal compiler. In another, I paid a similar amounts for both a Unix System V licence and for Emacs.

      By the beginning of the 1980's independent database vendors such as Oracle were selling software (our company competed for a while with similar product, but the company pulled out when the business plan showed we would have to sell a 1000 copies to recover the investment - and we decided to concentrate on bespoke application system development)

    7. Re:The real reson by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "In another, I paid a similar amounts for both a Unix System V licence and for Emacs."

      You paid money for Emacs?

      Do you know if RMS got any of that?

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    8. Re:The real reson by Decaff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If strong means less than 10% of the productivity tool market. M$ Windoze and Office account for 90+% of the market. Inertia has a very hard thing to control.

      Yes, you are right. Part of what I meant by 'strong' is that Open Office is powerful enough to compete, even though it does not have a big market share yet.

      http://www.users.on.net/~farnik/wikicgi/wiki.pl?Ma rketingFLOSS

      An interesting post, but I disagree with many points, based on personal experience. Not even MS Office is 100% compatible with MS Office! Compatibility only has to be 'just good enough', not perfect. There has never been perfect document porting between software suites, not even between suites from the same manufacturer. The selling points of Open Office are that it does almost all of what you want, requires minimal retraining (with the exception of Access), and provides considerable financial savings.

      The real killer selling point is that it allows companies to either proceed with or plan progressive migration away from Windows on the desktop. Having Open Office on Linux as well as Windows allows companies freedom to choose the appropriate desktop system and even to have a mix of operating systems. Even if companies don't go ahead with this, my experience is that having the choice to do so is very attractive.

    9. Re:The real reson by cammoblammo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IIRC, Emacs was around in it's ancestral form long before RMS started the GNU project. It was a collection of macros that fit on top of a particular editor, which was, as I recall, collated by RMS and others. There were commercial versions of this, or at least free-as-in-beer-you-pay-for.

      When RMS decided to start GNU, the first thing he did was a complete rewrite of Emacs based on the earlier versions. This was licensed under the predecessor of the GPL, the Emacs Public License (or something like that.)

      Again, this is working from memory, so don't trust the details, but I think this might explain where Emacs fits into the Free Software scheme of things. Please, anyone, feel free to correct me!

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  2. but what about the programmers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they need care and feeding aswell
    ideology behind open source is nice of course, but some of us have to make living by writing code
    open source isn't always the solution for everything

    1. Re:but what about the programmers? by DrLZRDMN · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do we need to make a living writing code? If you are a hobiest programmer than no. There are other ways to make money such as selling hardware, support, or installation services. You are also assuming that open source programmers neveer getg paid, this is not true either.

    2. Re:but what about the programmers? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But if you're suggesting that you can't make a living writing open-source software, you're wrong.

      I'm a webmaster, and my customers get their websites delivered with full source. (And no documentation! now if that isn't open-source... :p) I bet most webmasters work the same way. Now I don't think you want to argue that we don't make any money...

      The way I see it is that you can make money writing software, be it closed or open, as long as it's custom software. Commodity software is a different story - you can make a lot of money with it, but it's difficult.

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    3. Re:but what about the programmers? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Interesting
      True, some do get paid for their direct FOSS efforts. But that is by far the minority.

      Let's take a current project. GIMP, for instance. A viable competitor/alternative to PaintshopPro (not Photoshop). Where could the GIMP today be if there could be a dedicated team of fulltime developers? i.e. people getting paid to create and update GIMP, and nothing more.

      One of the reasons GIMP is gaining popularity is because it is free as in beer. Not because it is an especially 'good' or easy to use tool, but it costs nothing to use. (Don't get me wrong, GIMP is fantastic at what it does and how it was built). Most people don't actually care about the philosophy behind FOSS. GPL? Whazzat?

      For a tool such as GIMP, selling hardware, support, and installation doesn't work. Those income generators work at the corporate level, not the personal level. So how could the GIMP team get paid for producing GIMP (or similar level tools/programs)? Is it possible to do?

      How many FOSS tools could move off the '0.0.2 alpha' stage if there was a team of fulltime developers that could also actually eat while doing it?

    4. Re:but what about the programmers? by saigon_from_europe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are missing the point. Instead of fruitles multiplication of people doing the same job, now we can code things that are really different.

      I used to work in company that produced wireless routers (for our internal usage only; unfortunately we never reached the stage to sell them). They were based on Linux. In propriatery world, we would have to buy licence for OS. Then, we would be limited in changes we could made to them. And many many related things (no documentation, no source of drivers...). Company with 3 developers would have no chance to make anything similar.

      So what is the point: Instead to write OS from the scratch; to write drivers and similar things we used existing free technology. My main task was to write bash scripts, to patch kernel and similar. Other guy wrote sofware for automated control.

      Basically, we did not try to reinvent flowerpot hole (i.e. writing something that already exists), we focused on new value - i.e. things that were specific for own company.

      I can say, without FOSS, what we tried to do would be totaly impossible. In this case, FOSS created 10 new jobs.

      (Unfortunately, they lasted only one year, but it was not related to FOSS.)

      In more general terms, FOSS enables you to move from general things to company specific things. All companies calculate taxes same way - but many many companies have their own in house built software for that. At the other side, there are no two same companies with exactly same business logic. FOSS, in theory at least, allows you to spare resources from coding tax logic (common tasks) and to transfer them to coding support for your business logic (specific taks).

      To be honest, this happens also in propriatery world. SAP has same tools for all companies, but their (expensive) consultants will (hopefuly) customize their software for your own needs.

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    5. Re:but what about the programmers? by Mikkeles · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, the last time I looked (admittedly, a couple or so years ago), the major portion of software spending (80% - 90%) was on bespoke and vertical market applications which seem to be completely ignored by the article. (That is, the article concentrates on horizontal products such as OSes, word processors, programming systems; e.g.: languages and DBMSes.)
      While it's true that a large amount of this is taken by such items as military, aerospace, and big enterprise systems, there is still a large body of smaller systems so developed, from web sites (agreed that it is more graphic design and usability than programming) to software that tracks your milk production from goats and their lineage and feeding.

      Since there are many smaller companies which can use software oriented to their specialisation, I think there is plenty of potential work for individual programmers and small groups as many of these types of applications are not profitable for the big, big, big software house.

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    6. Re:but what about the programmers? by MikeCapone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most people don't actually care about the philosophy behind FOSS. GPL? Whazzat?

      Yes, but most people care even less about paying hundreds of bucks for buggy software that is vulnerable to viruses, with EULAs out the wazoo and built-in obsolescence.

      The reason why proprietary software is so popular in people's homes (I'm not talking about corporations) is because 1) They don't really have a choice. They use what comes with the computer they bought or 2) they just copy it for free from some computer savvy person in their family/circle of friends.

      I suspect that if everybody really had to pay, and if they really were well informed about the choices, things might be different... Which is not to say that OSS is perfect and shouldn't get better (but it does rapidly, so bravo to the coders out there!).

      /rant

    7. Re:but what about the programmers? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ``This is exactly how any software company works. How often do you think the actual programmer keeps the rights to the software that they write when working for a company?''

      Ah, I see. What you missed is that I develop software for customers, not employers. This means I retain the copyright. In addition to that, I grant the customer full rights to the code as well.

      The difference between that and working for them is that I can use the same software in another project. This reduces development time and boredom on my part, and therefore costs on the customers' part.

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  3. It's Not? by sugapablo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Free Open-Source Software is not the brainchild of latter-day hippies, nor is it the doom of Western commerce."

    It's not?!?

    Damn!

  4. Be honest by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why not just be honest about what OSS is? Its the Star trek ideals in software form. I scratch your back, you scratch mine and we improve the world (Universe).

    Theres no need to explain it as anything more then that to non-geeks.

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    1. Re:Be honest by Okonomiyaki · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only on Slashdot would the explanation to "non-geeks" come in the form of a Star Trek analogy.

    2. Re:Be honest by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 5, Funny
      And only on Slashdot would the old saw "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" be described as a "Star Trek ideal."

      Just sayin'.

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  5. microsoft and this article by TheRealJFM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "the FOSS era is inevitable for operating systems."

    if we look at this historically, isn't Microsoft already dead?

    certainly this article makes it clear that Linux may well enter a stage where it is an accepted standard, and has crushed the previous groups.

    in a way, isn't that what Microsoft already did? they were once the upstart defeating the giants of IBM and Apple. history repeats itself.

    I certainly don't think we'll see the death of MS for decades, if ever, but we may just see them seriously reduced

    this article certainly provides a good explanation for that, in my opinion anyway - it seems pretty clear cut. perhaps someone can refute that?

    i'd be interested to hear ideas...

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  6. Paints a pretty picture by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But I dont think FOSS goes further than step 4. Its already apparent from the server OS market. FOSS is never going to completely dominate. Its main effect is to take out all the small/medium players and polarize the market into FOSS and the commercial giants which is unfortunate because the smaller commercial endeavours are where (as far as I can see) most of the innovation tends to come from. FOSS also tends to lag behind the technology curve so by the time it starts to mature the market has moved on, creating new options for commercial software so FOSS will constantly be chasing a moving target.

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    1. Re:Paints a pretty picture by salesgeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Its main effect is to take out all the small/medium players and polarize the market into FOSS and the commercial giants which is unfortunate because the smaller commercial endeavours are where (as far as I can see) most of the innovation tends to come from

      Maybe a more positive way to view this is that FOSS commoditizes markets that are way overpriced. This is especially true of:

      * Compilers and software development tools.
      * Operating Systems
      * Productivity suites
      * Web servers & Application servers
      * e-Mail services

      Now even the tiniest organizations can use FOSS to gain an advantage. I was able to start a regional online advertising network for less than $500 by using a commercial, open source ad manager that I've retooled to fit my needs.

      FOSS also tends to lag behind the technology curve so by the time it starts to mature the market has moved on, creating new options for commercial software so FOSS will constantly be chasing a moving target.

      I have got to disagree with this on many, many levels. A great many of the innovations you take for granted now were invented via FOSS (try basically, the internet as a platform, web browser, email, etc). FOSS has nothing to do with commercial or not. It's about the app coming with the source with rights to modify (oss) or source + right to mod + right to redistribute (free). There are plenty of commercial apps that are oss. There are also commercial apps that are Free as in speech. I think what you are comparing, is for example, OpenOffice vs. MS Office, which compares a commercial closed source with a semi-commercial FOSS one. Even so, OpenOffice has capabilities that MS office does not and MS Office has capabilies that Open Office does not. The technology curve is more of a 3d wave than a 2d curve - it's possible to lead in one area and follow in another.

      Don't assume that because an application is FOSS that it is somehow inferior to a closed source product.

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  7. Too deterministic by Staplerh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article is interesting, and its nice to see an interpretation I had never thought of before, but another poster was right when he mentioned the Marxist angle to this particular interpretation.

    Open Source software is simply too new to establish a model for this to follow - there are many different models that could be followed, and it is simply too deterministic.

    The Marxist connection jumped right out at me, from this one quotation in the article.

    The hard-core FOSS advocates would like to go directly from Stage 1 (Innovation) to Stage 6 (The FOSS Era) and skip the whole commercial part. They argue that proprietary software ownership is undesirable at best, and immoral or unethical at the worst.

    But ignores capitalism and human nature, and the economic forces that help fund and drive the creative process in Western society. In spite of fundamental differences between software and brick-and-mortar industries, software follows the same first four phases of the lifecycle.


    Come now, this sounds exactly like Marxism.. It is interesting that there has never been a self declared communist state in the world - they were always going through the SOCIALIST stage of the model. The article is essentially saying that they should follow a gradual evolution of ideas, but that is inevitable.

    Determinism is dangerous to use in this context - you can't just sit by and wait for Open Source. 'Lifecycle' my ass.

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    1. Re:Too deterministic by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 2, Funny
      Let me see if I've got this right. Since he argues that proprietary software ownership is not in itself unethical ...

      ... he is a Marxist?!?

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  8. Stage 5 Today by mikey573 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some current Stage 5 situation: (FOSS community begins to slowly but inexorably erode the technical lead held by the commercial offerings)

    WS_FTP --> Filezilla
    Winzip --> 7-zip

    I'd be interested in seeing what factors it takes to push the above into Stage 6 (FOSS version dominates).

  9. The Author seems ignorant of Mac OS X by glennrrr · · Score: 3, Informative

    1) He doesn't seem aware that Mac OS X is a Unix derivative (more so than Linux). He firsts fails to include it in his list of popular commercial variants of Unix, and then he says that Linux will shortly be the only prominent Unix variant. I think most people think Mac OS X will be around longer than shortly, and it is the most widely used commercial Unix variant.

    2) He keeps calling it Macintosh, which is the general name for the hardware. The operating system is called Mac OS X.

    Other than that, an interesting enough article.

    1. Re:The Author seems ignorant of Mac OS X by cjames53 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Excellent points, and my apologies to the Mac world. I used a Mac for many years (before OS X) and always thought it superior to the PC in almost every way, and I am a huge admirer of Apple for making the difficult and risky decision to abandon their original operating system and adopt OS X.

      Craig A. James

  10. Can OSS survive? by nodehopper · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I think this Article includes some points that I see developing.

    "Both FOSS and commercial versions may coexist, but commercial forces usually dominate the innovative process at this point."

    As Corporate America embraces the OSS culture it will take what was once an "IDEAL" and find ways of turning it into something that is good for the Corporation.

    I think a great example is in the Music Industry. A genre of music will develop in some obscure place creating something living and evolving and vibrant. Then the big record companies will discover it and then it starts. They milk it for every cent available until that great sound becomes lost in the watered down mass of "product" that they churn out. Soon the creative subculture has been bought and sold and cloned so many times it losses everything that was good about it. Could this be starting to happen with OSS. Red Hat has become a corporate entity. Suse is on it's way. When the cash offers becomes so large that OSS developers start to sweat and their knees get weak....will the "IDEAL" be enough any more? Will the culture survive or will it sell out?

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  11. Not sure about this by GebsBeard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm sure I'll get modded flamebait but this article strikes me as deluded. It assumes the following:

    1. The market leader once gaining dominance will just choose to gravy train their product, ala IE.

    2. The flow of new features goes from the commercial version to the FOSS version. The commercial entity apparently isn't capable of absorbing new features from the FOSS version.

    This is a crock. A commercial version can remain hyper competitive even in the face of the "FOSS onslaught". There are numerous tricks than be pulled. Obscure or constantly changing file formats (ie .doc), cross integration with other products such that the whole "web" must be replicated to be truly competitive. And let's face it, not all software is an OS. Or an Office suite or a web server. Especially complex client server products can have dozens or even hundreds of interoperating processes; this stuff is a nightmare to replicate. You may find these tactics unpopular or even unethical but that's just the way it works in the real world. Large successful companies can and do make it painful in the extreme to erode their market share. The author seems to ignore the economics of market dominance.

  12. Conclusion mostly correct, reasoning wrong by wrook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to agree (mostly) with the author's conclusions (or at least the ones I didn't ignore :-)). However, I disagree with the reasoning.

    FOSS dominance in most fields is inevitable. I'm not talking market share, I'm talking stable features. In a prorietary world, features cost money. Bug fixes cost money. Even worse than that, they cost resources (one can have money to do something, but not enough people to pay to do it).

    Currently, proprietary providers live with a difficult economic reality. They invest 10% of their expenses on R&D and require at least a 5% total profit. This means that you need a 10.5:1 return on R&D investment in order for a feature to be worthwhile. Since not all development works out, successful features need to be even more profitable.

    When you first start, there is lots of low hanging fruit and even a 20:1 return on R&D investment (what most VCs demand) is quite reasonable. As the product matures, features get more difficult and more and more of your R&D gets used up by support (bug fixes etc). Not only that, but by Brook's law we know that adding R&D resources slows things down (due to communication overhead). This means that's there's a practical maximum of resources that can be added to the project. At some point, development slows down to a crawl.

    FOSS, by nature of the fact that there isn't an expected return on R&D investment, runs into no such problem. In theory, there are infinite resources availble to the problem.
    If a feature is desired enough by someone, it will be implemented. The return on investment (benefit vs cost) only has to be worth it for *one* person. The benefit does not even have to be returned as money.

    Not only that, but FOSS operates in an evolutionary way. HUGE numbers of resources are expended on projects which yield no results (just check the abandoned projects on sourceforge). But it doesn't matter. Those people eventually migrate to the successful projects. If I develop A and then discover B is better, I can abandon A with no cost to myself. Eventually the more successful projects end up getting more and more resources.

    FOSS generally doesn't need to worry about Brook's law, because wasted effort is irrelevant. FOSS projects can afford *not* to communicate thereby duplicating effort. The popular version will win out and everyone can migrate with no loss (generally speaking) to themselves.

    That is why FOSS feature/stability dominance is inevitable (generally speaking). So why doesn't it always work that way? Well the first problem is recruitment. At the beginning, there may be many different competing projects. Until the consolidation period (in the author's paper), there may not be enough resources in any one project to compete with a proprietary provider's VC backed investment. This is not always the case. A good example where FOSS was *way* ahead of the curve is window managers. I think most people would concede that OSX temporarily tipped the balance, but not for long.... FOSS dominance is inevitable. Good ideas will be copied, bad ideas abandoned and new ideas will be forthcoming.

    The other area where FOSS does not dominate is in projects where there isn't enough interest to do development. Word processors used to be a good example. Nobody wrote one because nobody used one. Now there's are a few groups of people with a bee in their bonnet about office suites. Given enough time, most areas will probably be dominated by FOSS. They may lag behind the curve, though, if developers don't see the reasoning early enough.

    Finally (whew!), feature/stability dominance != market dominance. I personally don't agree that IIE *ever* had feature dominance over Apache. However, market share is market share. The thing about FOSS, though, is that it never goes away. You can try to kill it, but it will just resurface a year later. With proprietary software, all you have to do is cripple or buy the producer. With FOSS, you are faced with the prospect of a never ending propoganda program (making your product even *more* expensive).

    The *only* way for proprietary companies to successfully compete against FOSS is to make FOSS illegal. We need to be vigilant.

    1. Re:Conclusion mostly correct, reasoning wrong by SlashdotMeNow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to think developing FOSS is somehow free (as in beer). That's only true if the developer's time costs no money.

      Sure it's free if the developer is a hobbyist, but remember hobbyist developers can just as easily develop closed software.

      So your whole argument breaks down. Abandoned projects on SourceForge costs millions in lost time. My time is pretty valuable. If yours is not I have a job for you. You can do it in your free time!

      The article basically states that in software markets where there is still money to be made (all the 'happening' areas) closed software will always be ahead of the curve because companies can pour millions of dollars into them where FOSS guys can't. They can do this because they know that when they finish ahead of everyone else they'll have enough time to recover their investment and make some profit before anyone else (including the FOSS guys) catches up.

      Later when the money is gone from the market segment the FOSS guys will catch up and the closed-source guys will find a new market to make money in.

      Thus FOSS does not need to be illegal. The proprietry houses will make money and move on. Always.

  13. Civil Rights by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Listening to the most dedicated FOSS advocates, one could easily imagine the speaker was talking of civil rights, war protests, or women's suffrage.

    No imagination necessary: that's exactly what we're talking about. Only the enemy has changed: domineering big business instead of a domineering government.

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  14. That's a laugh! by Bjarne+Bula · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's kind of hard to take an author seriously who writes

    "Besides being portable, Unix happened to be the best operating system invented to date. Its kernel, its unified file/IO system, its security model, and its "shell" were all major advances. Unix quickly pushed aside almost all other operating systems."

    That's a laugh! UNIX certainly stole a bunch of good ideas from MULTICS, and did invent a few, but "the best operating system invented to date"? That's just ludicrous.

    If AT&T had sat on it, UNIX would have gone nowhere. They key innovation of UNIX was not technical, quite the opposite. What made UNIX what it was (and is) was "open source". AT&T Labs made the UNIX source code available with few restrictions to universities and researchers, and this is what made UNIX great.

    Anyone who has seen early UNIX versions will agree that it was, in all honesty, a fairly mediocre operating system. Then again, the very first Linux versions released were, again in all honesty, not much to write home about either.

    Since then UNIX (and Linux) has improved immensely on the technical side, but even today, UNIX/Linux is reinventing features of operating systems of the 1970s and '80s.

  15. His "Hard Core" reasoning flawed. by twitter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The hard-core FOSS advocates would like to go directly from Stage 1 (Innovation) to Stage 6 (The FOSS Era) and skip the whole commercial part. They argue that proprietary software ownership is undesirable at best, and immoral or unethical at the worst. ... And in the commercial corner is software that can never be FOSS. It might be encumbered by patents, or more likely, is sold as an adjunct to some piece of hardware, such as "embedded" software found in modern cars, printers, scanners, wrist watches, cell phones, and so forth.

    It is interesting that the author uses the unethical behavior of commercial software producers to say that free software advocates are wrong. Patents, FUD and other tricks the author mentions do not make commercial software more innovative.

    The second assertion above, that embedded software is not well served by free software is simply wrong. Embedded development has swung to free software in a big way, as commercial software there was expensive, buggy and had all the other problems of closed source. According to the Free Software Foundations' last newsletter, the majority of embedded developers now make use of free software, at least for development. They will soon make flexible tools that will dominate the embedded market. The same development model, which is more flexible for servers and desktops works for embedded projects too.

    The whole argument that closed source software provides swifter innovation is shaky. Many of the so called features are involve product lock in and other dirty tricks that cost you more in the long run. IBM and others are showing that you can develop free software faster than closed source and make a profit. The era of software development he looked at, where indeed many closed source projects were "innovative", is over. As he pointed out, many people lost lots of money in the closed source game and will be reluctant to risk it again. In short, the rush he saw was unsustainable and should not be used to judge the future. Software development itself has reached a Maturity phase where the tools needed are well known and available. Free software now has a combination of development, distribution and user tools that can not be matched by any single closed source thing. To say that rapid development MUST be closed source ignores the awesome and unmatched feature advancement going on with KDE, Gnome and others. It's somewhat insulting to say free software developers simply copy commercial junk.

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  16. software lifecycle by Jimboscott · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Quote : Capitalism will continue to be a part of the software lifecycle as long as software is useful to society. It's a negative point of view, what if Capitalism is no longer usefull ?

  17. Re:P2P doesn't fit his model. by buttahead · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. sharing is invented. ftp. ppp. bbs. web.
    2. expansion happens. ftp bots. scp. rsyns. napster.
    3. consolidation. napster, ftp, scp die. other propriatary p2p apps keep going. gnutella pulls a lot of supprort, www keeps going. bittorrent is a new idea, but pulls in and gets some supprot which will soon be pulled together with more secure tech. gnunet gets started based on p2p with security in mind.
    4. maturity in a few years. secure p2p. gnunet. oss and private companiest that use propriety protocols.
    5. FOSS dom. propriety sw vendors are forced to open their logs to the government, and oss are not.
    6.... left as an excercise.

  18. It's a cumuative thing. by twitter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    can you name some current oss ideas that are not already in the commercial world?

    The real benefit of free software is being able to chose what you want. I can think of a few places that are likely to have real innovation but I'm loath to offer specifics because some obscure package someplace may very well offer it. It's not like people can't very easily make their own version of any free program and sell it. The development problem will be making it as good as the free program when your resources are so relatively limited. The user's problem, aside from quality, lack of freedom and peer check, is getting all the pieces in the same place. It may be possible to assemble all of the commercial programs to get what you want, but the result will not be as good and it will cost you lots of research, money and pain when the parts don't play well. There's nothing like being able to apt-get what you want and just knowind it's going to work as advertised.

    The people at OpenBSD have lots to offer for secure systems. They have developed algorithms and systems that are indeed innovative. Can you name a commercial system that has all of the features of OpenBSD? Bastile Linux?

    GNU has loads of great stuff. Everyone uses their compiler. Can you name a commercial compiler that has been ported so so many platforms?

    When you step back, there are innumerable small details that make free software so polished relative to commercial software. Other details are small but annoying. When using Solaris, I really miss -h and other conveniences such as transparent X forwarding through OpenSSH. Does even Exceed have transparent X forwarding through ssh in their excellent Windoze products yet? There are few interfaces that can compete with Gnome and KDE. Winblows is completely outclassed and Mac OSX is pretty but has far fewer features. KDE's beauty rivals anything. Is there a file manager as excellent and Konqueror anywhere in the commercial world?

    You might find any and all of the things I mentioned in the commercial world, but you won't find them all in the same place. Free software gives you what you want, or the tools to get it done.

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  19. Re:P2P doesn't fit his model. by SlashdotMeNow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    P2P is in the 5th step of his model. I.e. there's no more money to be made in P2P so closed source houses do not really care about it anymore.

    P2P is still very young (technically) but it's mature from a business, can-we-make-money-from-this perspective.