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Hewlett-Packard To Offer Linux-based Media Hub
Sammy at Palm Addict writes "According to the New York Times, Hewlett-Packard is to offer a new digital media hub based on Linux," excerpting "Hewlett-Packard will introduce a new device this fall meant to record and play back television as well as organize digital media, including photos, music and video, the company said yesterday. Hewlett already offers similar devices based on Microsoft's Windows Media Center Edition. The device, called the HP Media Hub, will be based on the Linux operating system." Since HP also sells self-branded iPods, it would be great if they'd make such a box iPod friendly.
Of course, this is the new, evil, HP, so I guess I shouldn't get my hopes up.
Have you read my blog lately?
"The device, called the HP Media Hub, will be based on the Linux operating system."
They could have also used QNX for stability and it's sutability for real-time (of which media is).
Come on, everyone has to go through the pain and grief of configuring Mythbox to get to all that tasty Linux media goodness.
(Damn it, I had to)
What if you could rip directly from CD onto the media hub, and then sync from the media hub onto an iPod? No computer needed, which some people might see as a benefit.
- but i sure as hell can't get into the box!
.mp3 sound tracks from the memory stick!
- Sony must have cleaned up on the Wegas in the last quarter: LCD projection TV w/built-in HDTV tuner, etc. for $2 (the bulb is replaceable)...
- Linux apparently hosts the TV's menu system, built-in slide show app (w/a built-in sound track), and memory stick support...
- the TV also plays
But from HP's angle, I can't believe they're only doing this now. If Linux is good for anything, it's for optimized, customized systems. With Linux, HP can build in exactly the functionality they need -- nothing more. Plus it's free.
Yes....
Once you get it running.
I've run Mythtv for over a year. I've been using:
-Hauppauge PVR-250 hardware mpeg-encoding TV cards (though newer models are coming out to replace these, but driver support probably isn't as good yet). Note that cards without mpeg-encoding in hardware demand a far faster system: and I tried those first, then bought 2 PVR-250s. -various remotes, including Hauppauge black (crappy) and gray (good) -nvidia card with SVideo out -external firewire DVD burner to archive shows
-a couple 120GB Seagate HDs set in LVM as storage Since the PVR-250 is an MPEG2 encoder, it's not too much trouble to export them to DVD. Editing/exporting the streams to remove commericials can be a bit annoying, though I think nuvexport can help with this.
Note this setup is more expensive (in the short run) than just going with a prefab DVR solution with monthly fees associated with it, but you do have a great deal more control over your recorded content. It will probably take a lot for me to be parted with my setup.
It's not that Media Centers are revolutionary that makes them interesting to Microsoft. It's the fact that there is the potential to sell millions more copies of Windows. Right now almost no one has a computer hooked up to their TV, and those few folks that do have computers hooked up to their TVs aren't generally using any Microsoft software. Instead they are using something like Tivo.
Microsoft sees the Media Center as a potential market nearly as big as the DVD player market, and Microsoft's marketshare in this potentially huge new market is miniscule. Microsoft is desperate for growth opportunities that would justify its price/earnings ratio of over 30, and Windows Media Center is one of the few Microsoft products currently available that has the potential to build new revenue streams.
Personally, I think that the Media Center idea is several years away from being ubiquitous, but then again I don't have cable television either. I know lots of folks that would give up their firstborn son before they gave up their Tivo. It is entirely possible that eventually the home entertainment computer could even be a bigger market than the normal personal computer that we all know and love.
More importantly, the home entertainment computer is very likely to become a very strategic piece of the overall media puzzle. For example, Microsoft is betting that if it can score big with its Media Center that it could sell the ability to do workable DRM to Hollywood. Microsoft understands the power of controlling the platform, and it knows that they could make billions if they could put Microsoft in a position to become the DRM gateway for all of Hollywood.
Not to mention the fact that Linux-based computers hooked up to the television could easily morph into game consoles. All the pieces are there already.
Sorry. http://thomashawk.com/2005/01/hp-launching-linux-m edia-center-pc-to.html
Isn't KnoppixMyth the thing here? (Install off a CD - that's what I have heard. I am hoping to build such a thing shortly.)
sulli
RTFJ.
Microsoft is desperate for growth opportunities that would justify its price/earnings ratio of over 30, and Windows Media Center is one of the few Microsoft products currently available that has the potential to build new revenue streams.
I think the problem is that in their desperation to duplicate their success with Windows they are forced to make moves riskier than they would really like (Xbox) or safe/easy where the return on investment is zero to low (Slate). I think the media center falls into that latter category. People aren't going to pay a $300 premium just to know that the thing is running Windows. The imagined "ease of use" issue that are applied to Windows don't apply to a device with a remote control. Especially when there isn't a sugar daddy (like IBM) who has already established a market for the hardware and done all the hard design work (not to mention a host of software companies that have all but solved those problems as well).
I'll buy a Linux based solution because I know I am less likely to be locked into a no-choice-but-to-upgrade future. Microsoft can only succeed at this if they convince almost everyone to go along and nominate them as the gatekeeper of everyone else's profitability. I can't see Hollywood or the RIAA going for that. On the other hand, worse things could happen than to see MS beat the crap out of the movie and music industry, they do, in some ways deserve it.
Meanwhile, I expect Linux, which has no market share, share price, or bottom line to protect to continue to nip at the heals of these media bastards, all of them. In the end if it takes, HP, IBM, or mainland China to be the champion of freedom for certain types of intellectual property (IE that not owned by a mega corporation) then so be it.
I'll be in line to buy one of these (although I haven't watched TV in 3 years and still listen to my own MP3s made from my own CDs and records made prior to 1990.)
How do you find the quality of the s-video out when viewed on your TV? I have an ATI Radeon 9600 PRO, and the s-video out is not that sharp and the colours aren't as brilliant as I would like.
I was relly thinking about getting a PVR-250 (I'm using a software compression capture card at the moment), but now I am wondering if I should go with the PVR-350 as I understand it has s-video out on that card. Has anyone tried the PVR-350? Will it's video out be better than going thru my video crd? Is it worth the extra $$$ over the PVR-250?
I have a diskless MythTV setup w/ Hauppauge PVR-250, DVD drive and 5.1 decoder. It really is excellent as you basically only have one piece of hardware for all your media needs. And as I boot from a server using PXE, the MythTV frontend is also silent (all the DVR STBs I've tried produce more noise).
I've tried MythTV, and found it to be terribly lowsy. The interface is poor, it uses it's own stupid format, seeking is quite slow, your local media files have to be accessed through a different sub-sub-menu (and MythTV has a lot of sub-sub-sub-menus), and it's conflict resolution/priority system seems massively over-complex to me.
In addition, if you are going to be doing software encoding, MythTV has terribly lowsy quality at even very high bitrates, and yet eats up tons of CPU power to do it. It's been some time since I tried MythTV, but I doubt much has changed.
Freevo might be a much better bet, but I was turned-off at the channel setup step, and decided it would be far quiker and easier for me to write a few shell scripts using mencoder for recording, and a simple file manager that opens video files with mplayer.
I was doing this with a cheapo analog capture card (and eating up CPU cycles encoding to MPEG4 in realtime with mencoder), but hearing the rave reviews about the Hauppauge PVR 250/350, I spent the money to get a PVR250, and found the quality to be no better than what I was getting, and the hardware encoder requires massive bitrates (4000K ie. 2GBs/hr) to produce video without artifacts, whereas mencoder would easily produce video at 1/4 the bitrate, at about the same quality.
If you want to roll your own, instead of using Freevo/MythTV, here's a few tips:
webvcr+ provides a nice web interface to schedule recordings, and uses mysql and xmltv to get listings, just as MythTV does. Also install Links 2.0, so you have a web browser that you can navigate easily using your remove. Just bind a key on your remote to launch links (in GUI mode) and open a page to your webvcr+ interface.
I recomend using any old filemanager, and a bare-minimal window manager (I use blackbox). Then something like bbkeys to bind a remote-control button to open the filemanager to your "videos/" folder, and you're pretty-much set. Just go up/down to your files, and hit "OK" to play them.
I also have some very basic shell-scripts, which allow me to edit my files in avidemux2, re-encode them to smaller bitrates (if I want to save them), make a data CD out of any number of video files, or re-encode them to VCDs/SVCDs/DVDs any of which can be played on most DVD players. etc, etc. These are things you can't do from within MythTV's interface, but any simple filemanager will have no problem with.
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