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Ham Operator Sets New Miles-Per-Watt World Record

DoctorPepper writes "A ham radio operator in New London, North Carolina correctly copied an 80 meter CW beacon in Wappingers Falls, New York, a distance of 546.8 miles. The kicker is, the beacon station, an Elecraft K1, was putting out 40.6 uW (40.6 millionths of a Watt) -- which works out to 13,467,980 miles per watt!"

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  1. Even when it's horribly outmoded... by fussili · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ham Radio continues to excite. I think there's something romantic about it that draws geeks towards its coils - how else do you explain the way it has enthralled so many in its history? The venerable Woz is one. Can anyone else recall any Ham Radio enthusiasts who went onto bigger things in Tech?

    1. Re:Even when it's horribly outmoded... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ask the people in Thailand how 'outmoded' ham radio is.

    2. Re:Even when it's horribly outmoded... by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This wattage/mile efficiency thing is always a neat trick. I doubt however, that anyone can beat what must be a record of some sort: the detection of the 10 watt (mostly) non-directional radio transmitter atop the Huygens probe while falling into the atmosphere of Titan by the Very Long Baseline Array when nearly 1 billion miles away. A feat expected to be achieved next week. The power collected by one of the 70 meter dishes on earth will be comparable to what was detected from the feeble low gain antenna on the Galileo Jupiter probe. This power is in the ZEPTOWATT range. (zeptowatt)

      In addition to this, the VLBA will be used in interferometer mode (VLBI) in order to pinpoint the landing site of the probe on Titan to within 1Km!! This is equal to an angular resolution of approximately 170 microarcseconds. Thousands of times better than Hubble.

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    3. Re:Even when it's horribly outmoded... by zapadoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are quite a few hams out there in tech land, not all doing "big" work, although probably more than a few pulling down big paychecks.

      Among many radios built or collected over the years (I've been a radio amateur since the early 80's) I have the Elecraft K1's bigger brother http://elecraft.com/ (which is still very small) the K2.

      These are not your father's HeathKit! Fabulous design, terrific functionality, and they are truly excellent radios, comparable with commercial gear from overseas easily, better in many cases.

      Building them is great fun - something anyone with patience and the desire can do, with barely more than a multimeter and a good soldering iron like a temp controlled Weller. Being a ham first might be a good pre-req here..., although the K2 might convince some to become one.

      Soldering is a good diversion from writing web apps. de VE7__

    4. Re:Even when it's horribly outmoded... by Buzzygirl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would love to obtain an Elecraft K2. The only thing keeping me from doing so is the price... over $500 for the kit... *ouch* But you're right, anyone with a minimum of basic building equipment and a maximum of patience can build one of these. Half the fun of QRP is making the gear yourself and seeing how far you can get out on it. In my case, just getting the gear to *work* was a big deal for awhile, until my soldering skills improved... :)

  2. Ham Geeks by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ham radio people are are truly the geeks' geeks. The mad-science of it all truly inspires.

    1. Re:HAM Geeks by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      See, there's this association of amazing electronics coming from Japan. This goes to show that American stuff isn't dead. Yet.

      Now, who's for embargos on goods produced by underpaid workers? Let's bring the minimum wage to the developing world!

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    2. Re:Ham Geeks by Buzzygirl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm a female ham... and a rare breed, we are. Hams are often stereotyped as old, fat, geeky, hygenically-challenged white guys (actually, my one and only visit to a local hamfest somewhat confirmed this) but none of those traits describes me. Radio is old technology, but I have always found it fascinating, ever since my dad introduced me to the shortwave bands when I was a little kid. There was always something a bit magical about a signal traveling halfway around the world to be picked up on an old tube radio. I've talked to people in many countries, but I'm not actually active on the air anymore. Other hobbies (some geeky, some not) have taken its place. I mostly listen to shortwave broadcasts now, but I still like building QRP stuff now and then. It is way more fun than shopping.

    3. Re:Ham Geeks by Buzzygirl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Chuckling!

      Actually, I *am* pretty geeky for a girl. I know this because my 16 year old son tells me so. He bases his assessment on a few facts: I use Linux (alongside my Win XP box) and I am also into another geeky, but really addictive and fun sport called "geocaching". It uses GPS receivers to find stuff hidden all over the world. I'll have to search some threads to see if this has been discussed here yet.

      I'm also an amateur astronomer. I have two telescopes and I know how to use 'em. :-) I'm a volunteer for a local astronomical society and am working to get a new planetarium built in my state.

      I just joined slashdot tonight, and I'm loving the company so far. I feel like I'm amongst kindred types here.

  3. Previous record? by UWC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone know what the previous record was? I'm not at all familiar with hamming, though it strikes me as quite interesting based on this and the recent tsunami-related story (primarily the ensuing comments).

  4. Spread spectrum by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Commenting on his remarkable success, Bill said "I've spent 25 years on 80 & 160 listening to below noise level signals ..."

    Below noise signals sounds paradoxical, but people do it all the time. If you're in a noisy restaurant, you can pick out individual noises even though they are much quieter than everyone else. The key is that you have an idea of what you expect to hear - you generally know the tone of their voice, know what sounds make words, know what words make understandable sentences.

    Imagine if the signal had been spread-spectrum. Spread-spectrum signals are stealthy because, they to, can be recovered from below the noise floor. Basically, with an idea of what to expect, the receiver's processing can effectively raise the signal above the noise floor. Instead of sending short tones for each bit, a series of tones are sent for each bit (a chip) - one chip for zero, and a different chip for one. It's a lot easier process a sound and see which chip it sounds closer to than it is to see if one particular tone is there or not.

    So, in summary, this guy's brain played a lot in the reception to pick out a signal from the noise. I wonder if the next record will be set with a spread spectrum transmitted signal and a digital processing receiver.

  5. Re:Ham Radio Not Outmoded by rjasmin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it only me who considers HAM, and radio comms in general as the foundation behind Internet.. after all be it air and EM radiation or good old copper, only difference is how you use it to get some data from point A to point B.

    even TCP/IP would theoretically work using smoke signaling, it would be slow, but it can be done ...

  6. 1000 Miles per watt award by leighklotz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The 1000 miles per watt award is fairly easy to get. I exceeded it twice recently, when I worked ES5MC in Estonia from California with 4.5 watts with my Elecraft KX1 and a pack of AA batteries and a 28ft wire in a tree in central California, and OH9SCL in Santa Claus Land (Rovaniemi Finland, news, news) with the same radio from a parking lot by the San Francisco Bay.

  7. Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the beacon station was putting out 40.6 uW -- which works out to 13,467,980 miles per watt!"

    Circumference of earth: 25,000 miles
    Earth-Moon distance: 240,000 miles
    Earth-Sun distance: 93,000,000 miles

  8. Re:Human brain energy output is round 100 wats by emeb2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The AC is right. Assumimg an average daily diet of 2500 calories (for us fat americans at least):

    2500 kcal * 1000 cal/kcal * 4.184 J/cal = 10.4e6 J/day

    1 J = 1 Watt*second, so:

    10.4e6 Watt*seconds/day * 1day/86.4e3seconds = 121 Watts

    or 1 Watt ~ 20.7 kcal/day

  9. Shannon limit? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is there a theoretical maximum limit to how far a single bit can be propagated in 1.0 watt of laser power at, say, 1m wavelength? Photons don't seem to accelerate from their quantum ground state before emitting from an electron shell, so does their max-velocity travel consume any energy? Aren't the photons traveling in a spiral path around the axis of their direction, which consumes energy to move their tiny mass equivalence off their inertial path?

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  10. Re:power is 1 over r _squared_ by goobenet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Um, i seem to work for a few 100kW @ 1500ft radio stations. The absolute local stations in BFE are maybe 10-20kW, but i guarentee there's stations out there who can be heard in places they really shouldn't be. (WLS-FM for instance is 175kW blasting the entire midwest) Believe me, height matters greatly.

  11. Ham Radio by cantrade · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes it is out moded and full of old geezers that sit in their garages and talk to others like them. But I never cease to be amazed that I can sit at my meager station and with 25 watts talk to someone in Nome, AK or in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Nerdy and Geeky for sure but still totally interesting.

  12. Not Just Ham Radio: Western Inventiveness !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The article starting this thread of dicussion shows, yet again, the inventiveness of Westerners. Although we, for decades, score poorly on international assessments of mathematical and science ability at the high school level, compared to Chinese from Taiwan, we also consistently outengineer the Chinese. What is happening here?

    Not only do we excel at engineering, we also excel at compassion. Below is a tally of the latest contributions to the relief effort in Southern Asia.

    1. USA $350 million + several hundred million dollars of indirect aid (e.g. naval armada arriving near Sri Lanka to do search and rescue)
    2. Japan $500 million
    3. Australia $810 million
    4. China (including Taiwan province and Hong Kong) $8 million

    The compassion of Westerners can objectively be said to be greater than the compassion of Chinese by, at least, 2 orders of magnitude.

    Perhaps, our compassionate and supportive society creates the right environment for people who perform poorly on written tests but who excel at engineering creativity. It makes you wonder, don't it?

  13. Re:Ham Radio Not Outmoded by KE6TNM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many people have made the comparison to the internet or other wireless technologies. There may be some relation if your only purpose is to talk over a distance. There is however a big difference. All of the services (internet, phone, cell phone) in use by the majority of people require network support. A ham can communicate with none. In an emergency the phone and network services can be interupted by damaged circuits loss of power or just congestion making it impossible to get a message through. The last communication service funtioning will be the hams. Real life example from a call that I relayed. Power and phones were out in a section of the city and a man's wife collapsed. Luckily he was a ham and grabed his radio. I took his info and relayed to it to the fire department and the paramedics were there withing five minutes.

  14. Miles per watt? Get a unit. by SETIGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What kind of unit is miles per watt? I could see watt per square mile, or preferably watt per square meter.

    If 80 meter radiation penetrated the ionosphere, the detection at a range of 880 km would be about 5*10^-17 W/m^2. I'm fairly sure 80 meter bounces both from the ionosphere and the earth itself, which results in some amplification over the inverse square law value.

    In contrast the detection threshold for SETI@home is about 5*10^-25 W/m^2, or a factor of 100 million smaller.

  15. In my amateur radio days by Daath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In my amateur radio days, I was a very popular conversation - I had a small 5W radio, and I built my own di-polar antenna, I was in Nuuk (capital of Greenland), and I had conversations with southern Brazil, Japan and others - I talked to a lot of people in the UK, and they had trouble believing that I was in Greenland - They said that it sounded like I was in their back yard with a 50W radio ;)
    They were all VERY happy to receive my QSL-card ;)
    Oh, if anyone remember me, I was 45SR101 ;)

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  16. Re:coils? by WasteOfAmmo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    great story... but don't forget the credits!
    the above story was taken from webskulker or rec.humor and possibly other places.

    Yes be creative and pass the funnies along but please give credit where credit is due.