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ISS Oxygen Generator Fails

caino59 writes "It hasn't been too long since the food shortage on the International Space Station - now the main oxygen generator has failed. Apparently, the backup supply should allow them to make it to 60 days, which is past the next scheduled trip up. Hopefully, previous crews didn't hog all the O2."

32 comments

  1. ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    I'm probably talking out of my ass, but didn't MIR have a much lower failure rate for critical equipment than ISS? What might the reasons be? Overly complex design of ISS equipment? Something else?

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    1. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Rocket_Sci · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm not sure if that is true of not... MIR was a much smaller design. Here are two things I do know about MIR:

      --There was a major fire in 1997, the crew was barely able to extinguish it before it killed them (story here).

      --We have no idea what the failure rate of equipment on MIR was before the USSR collapsesd. Who knows what might have happened up there. It was not reported in the press.

      --Here is list of problems on MIR: (list)

    2. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      Well then, perhaps there should be a FULL TIME maintenence guy up there who's job is exclusivly to float around and tweek stuff before it goes bad?

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    3. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by w3weasel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Name's Scruffy... the janitor.
      I'm on my 10 minute break.
      Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.

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    4. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by MasterDirk · · Score: 1

      IIRC the oxygen generator on ISS is the same type as was used on MIR? Seem to remember a slashdot -story about lack of engineers who knew how to work it a few months back.

      That would make parent-post's point moot in this particular case, methinks...

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    5. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Funny
      Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.

      Spaced out???

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    6. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Sleepindog · · Score: 1

      For one thing, I know that the treadmill on the ISS has been broken almost all the time, everytime a shuttle/supply ship went up in 2002-2003 in carried parts for the treadmill.

      This is straight from the Russian scientists mouths who helped design and service it, in a personal conversations (so not a press release where they are more diplomatic). Basically the new treadmill is too complex, it is motion damped. So since it has been broken, they are (or were, as this was in 2003 and I don't know about the status now) using the old treadmill that was designed for mir and has "never" broken.

      So yes, overcomplexity, but unwarranted overcomplexity? - mostly leaning towards no. the vibration dampened treadmill was designed to address problems.

    7. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Bastian · · Score: 1

      Last I checked, the entire crew is composed of full time maintenance people. Aren't they spending only a couple hours a day conducting actual experiments?

    8. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Millikan's+revenge · · Score: 1

      Ahh, dang; isn't that a drag? If the powdered ice cream didn't make them fat enough... (sarcasm implied)

    9. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      That was the original plan. Station maintenence is a full-time job for two and a half crewmembers, and the original plan called for a crew of nine.

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    10. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      What this tells us is that Space Stations *are not* and *can not* be maint. free.

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    11. Re:ISS vs MIR failure rates? by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      Makes you feel real eager to hop on a dramatically more complex Mars mission with no resupply for two years, doesn't it? Space engineering is hard.

  2. O2 Generator is Back on-line by Rocket_Sci · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a non-story. The problem was fixed. Here is a link to Spaceflight Now: SpaceFlightNow

    1. Re:O2 Generator is Back on-line by 1WingedAngel · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

    2. Re:O2 Generator is Back on-line by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      So how much would you pay for 22827
      starting big 5 dollars :)

    3. Re:O2 Generator is Back on-line by stevesliva · · Score: 2, Funny

      I nominate you for the most ironic combination of post and sig ever.

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    4. Re:O2 Generator is Back on-line by stonecypher · · Score: 1
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  3. This would not have been as much of a problem by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Funny

    This would not have been so bad if Dmitri didn't start thinking that the ISS was getting stuffy, and he opened both doors in the airlock to get some fresh air in there.

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  4. And the guys at EA thought they... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...had bad working conditions!

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  5. MIR by RealBorg · · Score: 1

    Why again did they give up MIR?

    1. Re:MIR by MasterDirk · · Score: 1

      Dude, it was old.

      Oh, and it crashed into the Pacific.

      Let it go, man. It's dead.

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      "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."

    2. Re:MIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I understand it, Mir was starting to have metal fatigue problems. It was wore out like a old hooker.

  6. How space stations work by displague · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was curious about the "Elektron Oxygen Generator" and found a brief description
    here:

    1. The Russian Elektron generator will make oxygen by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen (electrolysis).
    2. Solid fuel oxygen generators or oxygen candles will be burned to make additional oxygen, if required.
    3. The space shuttle or Progress supply ships will bring nitrogen from Earth, and store it in external tanks on the station.
    4. In later phases of construction, external tanks will supply oxygen; these tanks can be refilled by the space shuttle. In the final stage, an additional electrolysis oxygen generator will be added to the station.
    5. The pressure control assembly (a system of pumps and valves) will mix the nitrogen and oxygen in the right percentages, monitor the atmospheric pressure and depressurize the station when necessary to prevent overpressure or to extinguish a fire during an emergency.


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  7. This is a non-issue by SunFan · · Score: 1


    Just send the high-school chick out on an EVA to plug in the spare oxygen tanks.

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  8. Re:BREAKING NEWS! by Arngautr · · Score: 1

    Not only that Drudge is linking to a story saying that they fixed the problem, as is a post in here.

  9. What NASA Needs Most... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 1
    ... is to put a Home Depot in orbit just a few minutes aread of the ISS. Everytime something breaks, they can just pop on over, use their points card, and in a few years, save up enough to buy a whole new ISS!

    No, wait, they have to talk to HGTV and get Mike Holmes up there to completely renovate it. Mike can fix anything.

    No, wait, they need to get it on Trading Spaces. The ground crew and the ISS crew switch, and redecorate eachother's workplace. How cool would that be? I'd watch.

    No, wait! Someone call the TV networks! Survivor ISS!

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    1. Re:What NASA Needs Most... by TychoCelchuuu · · Score: 1

      Survivor ISS would be the best show ever. Much more dramatic, especially when someone got voted off.

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    2. Re:What NASA Needs Most... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 1
      Host: "Ricky, for backstabbing your team-mates, for sabotaging the air scrubbers, and for spacing Chunky the lovable hamster, you will have to spend minutes outside, watching us eat your freeze-dried Lunchables."

      Ricky: "Ah, crap. Can I bring my luxury item?"

      Host: "I don't see how a Palm Pilot will do you much good, but ok..."

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  10. Remember Lukhnod ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lukhnod was a robotic explorer that was sent to the moon by Russia to to remote exploration. Apparently one of the design criteria was that it must operate successfully for 6 months. It ran for 11 years.

    Why such performance ?

    Well, at that time the gulag's were a possibility for the the engineers (and their families) so they were well motivated to do a good job.

    Contrast this with the west. It's one thing to be motivated by pride and professionalism, but another when your life and that of your families are on the table.

  11. Yup. Which is lucky for NASA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they spent any more time on experiments, they'd run up against the lack of worthwhile science left to be done by humans in low earth orbit.

    "We've spent all our time bravely fighting to stay alive" make for more interesting NASA press releases than, "well, Jim found out he could make even bigger weightless solder balls if he holds the torch really still and blows on it gently to make it spin."

    Just think of all the additional Voyagers / HSTs / SoHOs / Mars Rovers / WMAPs that could have been funded with the money we're paying to watch astronauts repair their tin can and lose bone mass (at a rate already adequately documented.)

  12. Irony has more than one meaning. by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    OK, so the use of 'irony' in the above post is probably still a misuse (although I'm willing to admit we've lost that one along with latin plurals - especially on fora such as /.). However I checked your site and you're a little too precious regarding the meaning of the word. Specifically you disregard the (accepted) usuage of as in "irony of fate" (something that approaches what I imagine is meant by 'Morisettan irony').

    Of "Morisettan," or "dramatic" irony, you write "... I have as yet been unable to find any examples of this misuse of the term irony in anything even remotely authoritarian (sic.) ... going back before the early 1970s." (You mean 'authoritative,' of course, not 'authoritarian.')

    Is the mid C17th far back enough for you? Admit it, you've been brave enough to venture into this minefield without even having acess to the full OED, haven't you? Get thee to a library!

    irony, n.
    ...
    2. fig. A condition of affairs or events of a character opposite to what was, or might
    naturally be, expected; a contradictory outcome of events as if in mockery of the
    promise and fitness of things. (In F. ironie du sort.)

    The examples provided for this usage date back to 1649!

    1649 G. DANIEL Trinarch., Hen. V, cxcviii, Yet here: (and 'tis the Ironie of Warre Where Arrowes forme the Argument,) he best Acquitts himselfe, who doth a Horse praefer To his proud Rider. 1833 THIRLWALL in Philol. Museum II. 483 (title) On the Irony of Sophocles. Ibid. 493 The contrast between man with his hopes, fears, wishes, and undertakings, and a dark, inflexible fate, affords abundant room for the exhibition of tragic irony.
    ... etc.

    The clincher, IMO, apropos any weight carried in literature, it the title of Thomas Hardy's 1894 work Life's Little Ironies .

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