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SanDisk Spins SD/USB Flash Combo

An anonymous reader writes "Flash memory pioneer SanDisk has created an innovative memory card packaging technology that enables memory cards to plug into both SD card slots and USB ports. The new approach eliminates the need to use SD-to-USB adapters when accessing the contents of an SD card on a laptop, PC, or other system that lacks an integrated SD card slot."

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  1. Really, really cool! by BobPaul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow! That is really cool!

    SanDisk just went from "Cheap with questionable performance" to "Inovitce product designer"

    Just goes to show you that the best ideas really are the simple ones.

    1. Re:Really, really cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is truly innovative. I wonder how long it will take for other formats (compact flash, memorytick) to have this capability. I also wonder if its patented technology not that it matters as much on the hardware side. Also, there must be a change in internal layout of the card, does this form factor come with considerably less capacity. 1GB SD (the size used in the article) is fairly cheap nowadays and am curious to see what capacities will be available when this ships. If it is competitively priced I think SanDisk can easily take over the market.

      Does anyone know what percentage of the card actually contains the IC for storage?

    2. Re:Really, really cool! by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Cheap with questionable performance"

      What are you referring to? I really haven't had problems with Sandisk.

    3. Re:Really, really cool! by BobPaul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What are you referring to? I really haven't had problems with Sandisk.

      They're SD memory tends to be a fair amount slower than come of the competition. Not a problem if you aren't taking pictures in quick succession, but very noticable on a Palm Pilot. By nature of being SD, they're still faster than the majority of MMC cards but this is a clear instance of "you get what you pay for"

    4. Re:Really, really cool! by mp3phish · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you sure you are using their "Ultra" version? They are about $5-$10 more per card, but well worth the dramatic speed improvement...

      And their standard speed cards are a heck of a pricepoint, no matter what way you look, you can't expect the cheapest/most compatible card on the market to whizz by at flaming speeds... I think you are expecting too much out of them. You should be glad that the SanDisk SD cards are actually compatible with just about anything out there. And their availability is.. just about everywhere locally and online.

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  2. Cool, solves a problem by Lindsay+Lohan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The new approach eliminates the need to use SD-to-USB adapters
    I think this would be great after taking pics, when you've left your camera's cable somewhere else, and you want to email them from a notebook, PC, etc.
    1. Re:Cool, solves a problem by mallardtheduck · · Score: 2, Informative

      Erm... this works with EXISTING cameras...

  3. Uh? eh? by zoftie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    About time? Seriously its pretty cool, except that canon cameras take compact.
    Oh well, others probably to follow suit.
    p.

  4. Nice idea, but at what cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How much more expensive are these going to be than normal cards? USB reader dongles can be had for next to nothing these days!

  5. Re:That's actually quite clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I thought my PQI stick was small...

    hehe...you said your stick was small

  6. which begs the question, by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Why isn't there a memory card format that's just a USB stub, and a small bit of chip- like a thumbdrive or a diskkey or usb drive or whatever they are called this week.

    how large does a usb key have to be- could it be made to go within a camera?

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    1. Re:which begs the question, by josh3736 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which would bring another interesting application: If the camera's memory card slot is just a USB port, why not plug an external hard drive in? You'd obviously have to find an external power source for the HD, but after that, you've got gobs of storage for your pictures.

    2. Re:which begs the question, by josh3736 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This would be an option when you're not too concerned about having a compact camera. You could keep the drive and power supply in a backback, for example. Or, if you're taking pictures from your car, you just plug in to the 12 VDC.

    3. Re:which begs the question, by cozinator2 · · Score: 3, Informative
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    4. Re:which begs the question, by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because until this year, nobody realized that you could make a thin plastic USB connector. If you think about a normal USB connector, it is actually much thicker than your average memory card, with its (relatively) giant metal rectangle. This year, a company called PQI realized that the metal part isn't actually necessary for the plug, and removed it. The result was this. Suddenly USB drives are actually smaller than and just as thin as regular memory cards! It's one of those great ideas that is obvious in retrospect. PQI has patented this design, and I imagine SanDisk has had to license it to create this super-awesome combined card.

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    5. Re:which begs the question, by caino59 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i've always wondered about that. given the proliferation of thumb drives, etc....why hasnt someone developed a camera/mp3 player/whatever that accepts storage in the form of a usb thumbdrive?

      i've often thought of a smallish mp3 player, with a screen, minimal built in memory (for the OS) and a usb connect to plug in any usb removable storage device

      opens up a lot of possibilities

  7. Great by earthloop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two days after I buy a new laptop with built in SD/MMC slot!

  8. Snap! by lxt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I saw this a few days back on The Register - it's a very neat design, and eliminates this USB reader I've got on my desktop at the moment. The one thing I would be concerned about is how fragile it might be - I can imagine plugging this into my laptop and the connector snapping away from the card, especially given it doesn't have the surrounding metal case around the USB plug. ...still, I suppose that's a risk with most of the USB dongles I carry around, and it hasn't happened yet.

  9. More inforamtional pictures: by zoftie · · Score: 3, Informative
  10. Re:pendrive by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> woo. a pen drive, how innovative.

    a pen drive the size of a fricken postage stamp that happens to fit right inside my camera.

    I'm impressed. and looking forward to owning this - I find myself transferring pictures directly from the camera to a PC often, and it wastes charge on my batteries. This won't.

    So yeah, it is innovative.

  11. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    maybe b/c you don't travel much...

    I can't remember how many times I've taken pictures on vacations and remote locations, and forget to bring the cable with me. I end up juggling which photos I want to keep and which ones I'm willing to sacrafice. Especially helpful when a friend wants the photo as well, you can upload it to them right there without the hassle of having to get the cable.

    Sure this is great for the camera, but I'm thinking about using this to replace my USB key. so much smaller, I could probably hide it in my wallet.

  12. How many USB ports would this actually fit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Great idea, but USB ports are often bang-next to other ports, so the other plugs could obstruct it, and front-panel recessed ones may be too near the edge of the recess to fit the extra width of this gizmo.

  13. Looks fragile by Doppler00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know, but when you start introducing mechanical components to memory devices you're asking for trouble. This device looks pretty fragile, the hinges look like plastic, how long could something like this possibly last?

    This looks more like a solution looking for a problem. How difficult is it really to plug a memory card into a USB adapter?

  14. Its been done... by Ojamin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its been done before.

    http://www.pdalive.com/showarticle.php?threadid= 77 39

  15. SD == DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Avoid SD cards at any cost. The wide adoption of SD (which means Secure Digital, and not SanDisk) is the next step towards putting DRM control around our data.
    More info are contained in the official SD and SDIO complete reference, which -surprise- is neither open nor free, and costs big bucks/NDA signing to get.

    My answer is thanks but no thanks, I'll stick with more versatile, cheap and open supports such as Compact Flash.

    1. Re:SD == DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ridiculous statement. 99% of all card readers can not even access the secure area of the SD card. There are less than a handfull of products out there which are even using the secure area of an SD card. One of which is for mobile phones, the other I know if was for some RealAudio product.

      A generic SD card can typically have a much higher throughput than a CF card.

      If you want to reject DRM :) reject the subscription services, not the SD cards.

  16. Re:Nice idea, but at what cost? by Bishop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That was my first impression but after thinking about it I changed my mind. Most users are only going to have a few SD cards. Usually just the one they have in their camera and maybe a spare. For these users having an integrated usb reader is very convinient especially if you are on the road and want to transfer pictures to a friend's computer. With regards to cost as you pointed out USB readers are pretty cheap. It probably costs next to nothing to add the USB bit. (A quick check of a local shop shows SanDisk SD cards are just slighly more expensive then similar USB drives.) I would guess that there will be a higher markup for the convinience factor, then the cost of adding the USB.

    If these USB/SD cards become popular I predict that some camera maker will drop the USB interface from their cameras.

    Don't discount the convinience factor. For a few bucks extra I would by a device like this. If only so that I didn't have to remember to bring the card reader.

  17. Looks cool but, by aka_big_wurm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It looks really cool and I want one but they are so small I would worry about losing it unlike my jump drive that takes SD cards.

  18. Will it fit? by Phoex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One problem I've noticed, especially with the 'designer' PC cases is that the front USB ports are impossible to plug anything except a cord into.

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  19. Re:It's a cartel by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Informative

    The SDA is a cartel, plain and simple. The Host/Anciliary License Agreement (pdf) is truely draconian. In addition to paying the annual extortion fee, you have to agree to license any new developments back into the cartel. You're also prohibited from disclosing any details about SD cards. So once you're a member of the cartel, you pretty much can't work on any open-source SD-related projects. There are even "antitrust guidelines" published by SDA because they're dangerously close to crossing the line.

  20. PQI iStick by khrtt · · Score: 2, Informative
    Ever heard of PQI iStick? It's a memory card that plugs directly into a USB port. It's smaller than any other memory card but xD. The connector has the shaps of the inner part of the USB A-type plug, w/o the shield, so it can plug directly into a USB port. Internally, it's implemented in a way that allows it to work against either a full USB host, or a simplified interface circuit in a consumer device.

    Very nice design.

    They were about 2 years late to market. I don't know of any consumer devices that use iStick flash. Not one. I guess they weren't too good at marketing this to consumer electronics designers either.

    It's too bad, because I have several of those little cards - they are very handy as a flash disk. They are so small I can keep one or two in my wallet. They are smaller than any other USB flash disk because they don't have the shield part of the connector - the whole thing is <3mm thick.

    Good design, bad marketing. Sandisk might do better, since their's works in existing cameras.

  21. MMC == SD – DRM by Hal+XP · · Score: 2, Informative

    [Then try MMC]

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  22. Re:What we really need... by droopycom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh yeahhh.... I have a vision of a USB pen sticking up on top of my digital camera... just like i would have flash bulbs stiking on top of my old film camera...

    Theres no way you want a generic usb plug on your camera to replace your media. You want your media to fit tightly inside your camera.

    Now, they could put a USB host interface on the camera so that you could transfer your pictures onto your usb pen or your ipod photo or the latest portable media player. But thats something else...

    In this case they could even do without removable media and just have a fixed flash memory inside.

    That would be really innovating...

    F**k ... I just gave away a good idea....

  23. PC card better anyway. by twitter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You will get better performance on a laptop from a PC card adaptor. Once again, your choice of Canon and CF has done you well. Like CF in general, PC cards for CF are also cheaper than SD equivalents. I've got them both and I'm still happier with CF performance.

    At the same time, the folding design is interesting. Cool stuff scandisk.

    The scandisk SD to PC card adaptor I have works well enough, but I've had problems fdisking a 512 SD card. It worked but it hurt. Cfdisk could not deal with it so I had to use regular fdisk to set up a ext2 partition, which I then was able to format and mount without a problem. At the same time, I've never had similar problems with CF.

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  24. It would be nice by Jozer99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would be nice if they released cards like this in other formats, like CompactFlash.

  25. Rubbish by roesti · · Score: 3, Informative
    The wide adoption of SD (which means Secure Digital, and not SanDisk) is the next step towards putting DRM control around our data.
    This is totally incorrect. If you're referring to the Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI), they gave up on DRM about four years ago when their watermarking scheme was ruthlessly cracked. The group has been totally inactive since May 2001.

    Nowadays, lots of devices use Secure Digital cards, but mostly because of the "cool" factor: they're a lot smaller than Compact Flash cards, and the capacity of SD cards isn't that far behind that of CF cards. I was looking at a couple of MP3 players that use SD cards, and none of them had DRM at all. Just copy your MP3 files to your SD card, whack it in your player, and hit Play.

    Hence, the schism that Secure Digital really means DRM does have a historical basis, but it has little relevance today. The idea that using SD cards in modern devices will smite your with a plague of DRM is just rubbish. For the purposes of keeping digital photos or music, SD is storage, and nothing more.