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Hubble Snaps Photo of Extrasolar Planet

iamlucky13 writes "Space.com has reported that a Hubble Space Telescope photo supports with a very high degree of confidence that a picture taken by the European Space Observatory does indeed show an extrasolar planet. As many readers know, planets outside our solar system are typically found by watching for wobbles in a star's orbit or for dimming caused by the planet crossing in front of its star. The ESO and Hubble images would represent the 1st and 2nd times that planets outside our solar system have been directly detected. The planet is about 5 times as massive as Jupiter and orbits a brown dwarf a little farther out than Pluto orbits our own sun."

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  1. Minor correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The ESO is the European Southern Observatory, not Space Observatory.

  2. Sounds like by JJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    . . . not so much like Vulcan as a failed binary star system.

    Still if we can get pictures of something five times bigger than Jupiter at this distance . . .

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    1. Re:Sounds like by DeathByDuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Still if we can get pictures of something five times bigger than Jupiter at this distance . . .

      Imagine a upgraded Hubble or Hubble II.... the implications of photographing and analysing planets and their atmospheres (by measuring the light sprectrum or even photographing it) could be enormous. Imagine one snapping a Earth type.

      Though it'd give fire to the people opposing interstellar travel ('why go there and waste a lot of money when we can photograph it safely from here?'). At least we'd be able to handpick targets for future interstellar probes, rather than firing them blindly at a star and possibly getting nothing. I am hugely fascinated by this, and it shows the value of Hubble and why we must keep it, and the design itself.

    2. Re:Sounds like by RazzleFrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are there really that many people who oppose interstellar travel? Wouldn't we have to prove it is feasible first before people really started worrying about the cost? We haven't even figured out how to get to Mars and back in a reasonable fashion yet.

    3. Re:Sounds like by stupidfoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Imagine a upgraded Hubble or Hubble II....

      Forgot what series it was (I think it was some six part BBC series) but the idea is to have a satellite array out in space, similar to how they have ground based arrays. They would be aligned via laser. They made it sound like this was something that was going to be done sometime around 2015, or so.

      The implications were that they would then be able to see earth sized planets directly, and possibly even be able to analyze the atmosphere of the planet.

    4. Re:Sounds like by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they can gaurantee me an atmosphere to breathe - as the saying goes "Beam me up Scotty" - I wanna go. It would be an adventure of a lifetime. Yea I would spend years in space - but the end result might just be worth it (especially if they create a big enough space ship that contains the population of a small town). Ok this sounds geeky and far fetched - but why not? The only thing stopping us is greed and fear.

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    5. Re:Sounds like by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a much greater risk for a lot more people if we continue developing new ways to kill as many of us as possible, than if we decide to go to the stars. But that's just me.

  3. grainy! by dioscaido · · Score: 2, Funny

    how many megapixels does the hubble have?

  4. Its always such a disapointment by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when you see these photos. I know its a tremendous achievement but when you see a whole planet and it still looks like a little pixelated blob then its hard to match the achievement to what you are actually viewing.

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    1. Re:Its always such a disapointment by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually for me it's the opposite. I know that there was a time, during my own lifetime (and I'm just 27) when astronomers couldn't detect exoplanets by any means, even indirect means. And now finally... we get a tiny glimpse of an exoplanet for the first time. For me it's amazing to think that we finally have that technology to actually see something so tiny that is so far away. I think that it's the fact that it's just a few pixels that makes it the more fantastic, that is, it's on the edge of our technological horizon. And I know it will get better, and fast too. Within a few decades we will be able to see Earth sized planets, I am sure of it. This is truly something to celebrate!

    2. Re:Its always such a disapointment by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MTV generation indeed. A generation I'm part of and disgusted by, in large part.

      Part of the problem, of course, is that NASA takes 80 billion photos of large, interstellar objects like massive galaxies, none of which actually show the large object as it actually appears (or, in most cases, DOESN'T appear). Then, they combine all their infrared and this radiation that radiation images into one big, purty, inaccurate public "photo" that makes everyone go "ooooh ahhhh" when, in fact, the object actually looks nothing like the photo the press was given.

      Then, when people see the real pictures they go "what the hell is this pixelated blob? If this planet is so big and so close [relative to the aforementioned large object] why can't I see little green men waving to me on it?"

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    3. Re:Its always such a disapointment by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Part of the problem, of course, is that NASA... combine all their infrared and this radiation that radiation images into one big, purty, inaccurate public "photo" that makes everyone go "ooooh ahhhh" when, in fact, the object actually looks nothing like the photo the press was given.

      To be fair, NASA usually describes the process that was used to create a given image, but other publications copy the image witout including all the specifics. Is it NASA's fault that all the caveats are removed?

  5. Probability by asliarun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the article:-
    "University of Arizona astronomer Glenn Schneider, who led the new study, said he's 99.1 percent sure the object is in orbit around the brown dwarf."

    How does one calculate the probability of accuracy and arrive at an exact figure like 99.1%? I mean, isn't this self-contradictory, or am i missing something?

    1. Re:Probability by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I presume they took their data, and from that created a probability cone of where it was going, not unlike the recent comet thing. And of that probability cone, 99,1% would lead to an orbit around the brown dwarf.

      If I have a random number between 0 and 100 (probability cone), I can be 99,1% sure it'll be within 0 and 99,1 (in orbit). I assume they can pretty exactly determine the "band" in which objects would stay in orbit.

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    2. Re:Probability by arodland · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The science of statistics is basically all about saying how sure you are about things. For example, "given this set of data from the sample group, there's a 95% chance that the mean number of slashdotters per household worldwide lies between 0.15 and 0.23," or "Given these sets of measured position and velocity vectors, and their uncertainties, there is an 0.23% chance that object X's path will intersect with the earth's in the year 2038."

      So perhaps they've taken a number of (extremely lo-res, I'm sure) measurements of the path of body X around star Y, and found that given the degree of certainty of their measurements, then there's a 99.1% chance that body X's velocity is consistent with orbit, but an 0.9% chance that all the errors stacked up the wrong way and it's really just speeding by in a hyperbolic orbit or something like that.

    3. Re:Probability by LMCBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is the kind of silliness that results when astronomers talk to the press.

      Among ourselves, astronomers will talk about how many "sigma" a detection is, referring to how far above the Gaussian noise the signal is. A 1-sigma detection is real 68% of the time. 2-sigma detections are real 95% of the time, 3-sigma data are 99.7% sure, etc. So, Glenn is just saying that the hypothesis that the brown dwarf and its candidate companion are actually moving together in space is supported by the data above the errors by about 2.5 sigma or so. With further observations, the errors will shrink, and it will then be above three sigma (assuming the hypothesis is correct).

      But, Glenn can't talk about "sigmas" to the press, because, sadly, not everyone knows the wonders of the Gaussian normal distribution. So he does a quick conversion to probabilities for the press release. BTW, it is indeed possible to characterize errors to the tenth of a percent, especially when you are close to 100% confidence.

      Get ready for more astronomy-related news this week; our annual society meeting (AAS) is taking place in San Diego.

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  6. Headline by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Funny

    You gotta love the Register's headline for this story: "Extra-solar planet snapped by galactic paparazzi". I supposed they are looking at a big star, but... Anyway, gave me a chuckle.

  7. Planet Finder by KavanaghNY · · Score: 5, Informative

    NASA is developing the Terrestrial Planet Finder which should discover and image even smaller extrasolar planets when it is launched in a few years. Sooner than that, the Kepler Mission "will survey the extended solar neighborhood to detect and characterize hundreds of terrestrial and larger planets in or near the "habitable zone," defined by scientists as the distance from a star where liquid water can exist on a planet's surface."

  8. Looks like a duck... by slapout · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It does not orbit a normal star, and it is much more massive than the largest planets in our solar system.

    So, we've found an object in space that's unlike any other planet we've seen, so we assume it's a planet?

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  9. Bump on planet? by geordieboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In this image it looks like the planet has a bump on the lower left side. Could this be a mega-Olympus Mons (on a gas giant, hmm)? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's just noise, but it's fun to over-analyze images.

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  10. Re:orbit - MSNBC appears to have misquoted by tinytim · · Score: 4, Informative

    The MSNBC cites the space.com article as its source, and the space.com article states:
    "It orbits the brown dwarf star at about 30 percent farther than Pluto is from our Sun."

  11. to put this in scale by jbeamon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This new planet is 1.5x the size of Jupiter and 5x Jupiter's mass. Its orbit is 30% farther out from its star than Pluto is from our sun. To put things in perspective, Jupiter has been described as a brown dwarf star, since it is mostly gaseous and gives off more radiation than can be accounted for by solar reflection. This new planet-star relationship is closer to a binary star system than to our 365 day whirl around the block at a balmy 65 degrees F. (I make a point about the design and structure of their system in comparison to ours, so I won't argue with astronomy buffs about the particulars.) It's still interesting, but it's not like there's much possibility of a Starbucks there yet.

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  12. Re:That far way? by ByrneArena · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was easier to see BECAUSE it goes around a brown dwarf. A brown dwarf has the mass to be a sun but not enough "feul" to create the fission reaction to light up. So essentially it is easier to see because there is not as much light around it. That and the fact that it is such a large planet. While 5 time Jupiter's size seems large, there are suns that are as big as the entire ORBIT of Jupiter in diameter. So as planets go, yes its big, but not sun-like in size.

  13. Re:Actually I am wondering... (use tinfoil hat!) by l4m3z0r · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I imagine that none of our sufficiently large telescopes are built to be able to focus on something as close as the moon telescopes typically can focus properly on a range that is determined by components of the optical system, my guess is that if hubble took a look at the moon we would get a horrible grainy image, no clarity whatsoever.

    For example, take a normal commercial telescope and put an object 1 inch from the lens and see if you can get it to focus properly.

    Furthermore, why waste the effort doing something so trivial. We have images of the moon with that crap lying about but the nutjobs don't accept those, what makes you think telescope images from earth would change there minds? The conspiracy nuts are just going to claim the telescope photos are doctored.

  14. Wait until April to get excited... by dtolman · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...when they can confirm closer to 100%. This isn't the first time they've seen a dim point of light next to a star and hoped its a planet. Last time they waited a few months, they found out that the "planet" stayed put while the star moved on its merry way.

    If the "planet" is still moving in concert with the star in a few months, then I'll believe it.

  15. Re:Actually I am wondering... (use tinfoil hat!) by dtolman · · Score: 2, Interesting
    they are able to find a _planet_ that is away more than 225 light years but they aren't able to point their telescopes toward the moon to find out if the vehicles from the moon landing are really there...

    They can find the planet because its a big ball of matter glowing in the ir/light/uv spectrum against a backdrop of cold dark space.

    The lander is a tiny piece of cold painted metal against a backdrop of lunar rock. That makes it a bit harder to see... next time we need to paint those suckers with radioactive glow-in-the-dark paint so that every schmuck on Earth can see it with binoculars. That'll shut the nay-sayers up.

  16. Re:That far way? by StyroCupMan · · Score: 2, Informative

    With our current technology, the largest extra-solar planets are the only ones we can reliably detect, let alone photograph.

    It helped significantly in this case that the planet was so far away from a dim star, because most of the difficulty comes when searching for a dim speck in the glare of a bright star. The December National Geographic had a great article on the search for extra-solar planets and compared it to finding a firefly in the glare of a lighthouse from several miles away.

    Thus, astronomers have not ruled out the possibility of planets in nearby systems. In fact there are already a few hundred that have been found, but only by detecting the "wobble" of the sun as others here have pointed out. This is the first to be directly imaged.

    As technology and methods continue to improve we will be able to detect smaller and smaller planets, closer and closer to their suns. The smallest currently detected is around 14 times the size of Earth (roughly the size of Neptune, I believe).

    Once we can regularly detect Earth-sized planets in life-sustaining orbits, astronomers hope to be able to detect hints of the planets' compositions using the spectrums of light emitted (can't remember the exact terminology off-hand).

    Anyway, for those of us familiar with astronomy and astrobiology, this is very exciting. And to put it into perspective, this image is of even better resolution than we had of Pluto until just a few years ago.

    Yes, IAAAA (I am an amateur astronomer).

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  17. Take the second flight... by Dareth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reminds me of a short story I read years ago...
    Colonists gave up everything they own for a chance to colonize a new planet, but they get to be first.

    Only thing is, right after they leave Earth, FTL travel is invented. So by the time they get there, planet is already fully colonized and they end up getting a raw deal.

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  18. Here's why you don't wanna go by BlueStraggler · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Interstellar travel suffers from its own version of Moore's Law. The first ships will be damn slow, but they will increase in speed fairly steadily as we become more comfortable with the technology. The problem is, the new ships will blow past the old ships en route, and the first ones to leave will be the last ones to arrive. An interstellar travel time of ~100 years would be making pretty good time for an early mission to somewhere in the local neighbourhood. If you could get a five-fold speed increase in say 25 years of development back here on Earth (a very modest rate of development, IMO), then you could expect the planet would be explored at least 50 years before you got there, which gives enough time for settlement, expansion, and several waves of colonists in even faster ships.

    In other words, by the time the first explorers (that's you) arrive, there will already be 150 Starbucks franchises on the planet, the planet will be launching its own missions to further stars, and you will be turned back at the spaceport for not having the right Visas in your passport.

    In fact, no matter how long you wait for a faster interstellar drive, a mission launched a short time after yours will arrive a short time sooner than yours. This will remain true until some physical limitation starts capping speeds, or until the travel time becomes small compared to the time between incremental improvements in drive speed.

    The same is true for unmanned probes, unfortunately.

    1. Re:Here's why you don't wanna go by AviLazar · · Score: 2, Funny

      So what do we do? Stop the effort to travel? Travel shorter distances (lets colonize the moon). Pick up the ships along the way? "Hey on your way to planet XYZ would you stop by and pick up space shuttle 1 - they've been on the road for 20 years you know. Oh and I hear one of the passangers, Avi, likes La Columbe Coffee and is going crazy because he is forced to drink harbucks" Put the ship and tow and continue onward with Half-Life 15: Counter Strike - Beyond the Source

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  19. Re:Actually I am wondering... (use tinfoil hat!) by M1FCJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    We're bouncing bloody lasers off the stuff they left there. What kind of proof people really need to believe we've landed?

  20. Proposed Solution by rk · · Score: 2, Funny
    In other words, by the time the first explorers (that's you) arrive, there will already be 150 Starbucks franchises on the planet, the planet will be launching its own missions to further stars, and you will be turned back at the spaceport for not having the right Visas in your passport.

    So, what you do before setting out in your first generation colony ship is to form an organization back an Earth whose mission it is to manage a trust/foundation and apply newer technology as it becomes available to support your colonization mission. So that when you get there, there may be 150 Starbuck's franchises, but you own them all.

    That itself could be another interesting SF story about the changes a colony goes through when the owners/founders finally arrive after it's been operating for several generations.