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Will Microsoft Control the Anti-Spyware Market?

jasondubya asks: "With all the recent publicity of Microsoft's new Anti-Spyware product, I wonder if there will be any room in the market for other companies? After recent comparisons between with current market leaders showed large failings in their products, do they stand a chance against the behemoth that is Microsoft?"

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  1. Frankly... by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No. Not a hope. When Microsoft's Anti-Virus product is free (and, undoubtably, be bundled at some point) why would anybody buy or use another product?


    This'll be no different from the Browser Wars. In that case, Microsoft bought Spyglass and used its browser, offering it as a free download. In this case, they bought someone else and used their AV products, offering it as a free download.


    So far, there's not much evidence of any change in strategy. Enough so that several AV vendors are getting definitely twitchy. I'm not surprised. If they survive as long as Netscape did, it would be impressive.


    Oh, and don't expect the regulators to step in, any time soon. It was hard enough getting them to do anything when the Democrats were in office. There is absolutely sod all reason for them to do anything now.


    Finally, look at it from Microsoft's standpoint. They lost a court case in Europe, which harmed their share value and took a small nibble out of their pockets. With security being the current "watch-word", here is their big chance to take back some of that lost value. It'll also hamper European efforts to regulate them, as they can chown() technologies faster than the EU can ban them from doing so.

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    1. Re:Frankly... by shaka999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I'm no MS fan, doesn't anyone else see that they HAVE do start offering virus and spyware applications?

      MS gets killed for being vulnerable everyday here on slashdot. Now they are trying to put some tools in place to help the standard user and they get beat on for using their monopoly.

      This is a bit different than debating MS adding a media player or even a browser.

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      One should not theorize before one has data. -Sherlock Holmes-
  2. Yup, just like they control the Anit-Virus market by rueger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't see it. Already people like us are accustomed to running two or three different anti-spyware products each time. I can't think that an MS product will be any more effective over the long term than either of Spybot or Ad-Aware, or the other variants.

    Consequently even if you have MS Anti-Spyware running, you will double check with at least one or two other programs just to be sure.

    Let's not forget that MS even had anti-virus built into an OS at one time, and it disappeared, had backup software built into an OS, and it disappeared, and has at various times tried to undercut outside vendors without success.

    As well, it seems pretty obvious that the Bad Guys are going to find the security holes in the MS product very fast, and begin tailoring their products to exploit them. How fast can MS play catch up?

  3. It's not about spyware, stupid. by drakaan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is an example of a shrewd move on Microsoft's part, and it has very little to do with wanting to control the AV market.

    One nugget of info can be gleaned by going through the process of installing their Spyware removal software. They mention that you have a chance to verify your Microsoft Software is genuine, and they *also* mention that in the future doing so may be *required*.

    Think about that for a second. How many illegal copies of Windows are out there? How much money does Microsoft *not* make on those copies of Windows? They discovered a must-have software product (that I expect they won't charge for, other than the price of a copy of Windows if you're running unlicensed) that they can use to solve most of their piracy woes. It's clever, but I suppose it's fair.

    The diabolical part is that once you install their Spyware removal tool, they have a perfect way to scare the clueless into removing software that they (Microsoft) don't especially like. When I ran it the first time, it identified winPcap and WinVNC (the *client*, for crying out loud!) as spyware and gave me scary warnings about wanting to remove them. It's only a matter of time before OpenOffice makes the list, and a lot of people will either accept the defaults and delete whatever Microsoft Tells them to, or will be unsure about how safe it is to run a given piece of software and reluctantly delete it.

    There are a few companies I trust to give me a decent list of spyware apps to detect, and Microsoft isn't one of them. They don't want to control the AV market or the Spyware market, they want to decide for you about *any* programs you install on your PC.

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    1. Re:It's not about spyware, stupid. by Redfriar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm all for getting rid of the pirated copies of Windows/Office/etc.. If OSS is going really make an impact, it will be in providing feature compatible alternatives to commercial offerings, reducing the amount of free market influence that commercial companies enjoy when somebody steals their software.

      I don't even mind them listing 'potentially' unsafe programs as long as they allow the user to select which programs are to remain untouched.

      "Safe" software is a very subjective term. If I noticed winPcap on my grandmother's computer, It would indicate to me that somebody is doing something they shouldn't be doing with her tcp/ip stack, since she is not likely to use tools like Ethereal/TCPDump.

  4. So let me see if I understand this... by Xentax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If MS does nothing, it's being negligent (I've seen 'criminally negligent' bandied about before) by leaving the OS so vulnerable to spyware.

    If they *give away* a solution, they're being monopolistic against the existing or potentially soon-to-exist anti-spyware vendors (Norton, CA, et. al).

    If they *charge* for a solution, they're being greedy/capitalistic/whatever by charging for something they should be giving away.

    Sounds like a no-win situation to me.

    But, consider the Firewall situation. MS ships a *basic* firewall, blocks only inbound, not very configurable, but does support Group Policy settings and is thus enterprise friendly.

    This *seems* to have left a market for both corporate and consumer firewall software. Granted, there are both free and pay solutions out there for both.

    Maybe that would please everyone? If MS's solution was free, and reasonably effective, but not quite 'everything to everyone'? It would really NEED to be enterprise-friendly, IMHO, since I really think MS should be on the hook to provide at least some form of protection/removal as part of the OS (like the ICF in XP, the disk defragmenter, hopefully some future Anti-Virus solution as well).

    But, and the end of the day, if Company X can't make a cheap product that does Anti-Spyware better than MS's, there really ISN'T a market that people should be crying about the loss of. Remember, MS didn't drop a billion+ dollars into developing what appears to be one of the better solutions out there; they bought one of the existing product companies.

    Players like Norton and CA (should) be able to compete if there's anything there worth competing over -- be it breadth of coverage (signatures, mutation detection, etc.), ease of use (particularly where removing the nasty self-healing malware is concerned), time to updates when new threats surface, ability to block/blunt new/unknown threats, etc.

    Xentax

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  5. Re:BRILLIANT! by Itsik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's so called BRILLIANT is the fact that now Microsoft can actually profit from their OSs flaws i.e. not bother to fix all the ones that can prevent spyware from getting in to begin with.

    If you want it taken care pay us an additional fee and you'll be "safe". Protection fee?

  6. Microsoft created this market by Dracos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm surprised it took them so long to become a player in it, not just the progenitor.