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Robot Makers Say World Cup Will Be Theirs By 2050

mindpixel writes "The Scotsman is reporting that the Japanese are very confident they can build a robotic team that will win the World Cup by 2050 using a descendent of the 38cm tall VisiON which operates completely independently of human input, making its own decisions based on information that it perceives with its 360 degree vision, and is able to recognise the football, approach it and deliver a hefty kick. It is also able to identify an opponent and shield the ball in much the same way as a human player does."

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  1. im going to watch that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny


    in my flying car !

  2. Sure by slobber · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just replace players with tanks and the cup is yours!

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    1. Re:Sure by mboverload · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People dont seem to GET the challenges of AI, hell, getting a freakign robot to WALK took us DECADES. Now they want them to play soccer? This is flying cars all over again.

    2. Re:Sure by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now they want them to play soccer? This is flying cars all over again.

      Psst... they already do play soccer:

      http://www.robocup.org/02.html

  3. What about feigning Injuries?? by TheShadowHawk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will the robots also be able to fall down and scream in 'agony' when the opposition barely nicks them in the hope of getting a easy penalty?

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    1. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by grub · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I was wondering about the 3 "rules" of robotics. Namely will these robots not get aggressive in their gameplay to avoid harming a human being? If they move out of the way to prevent hurting an oncoming player then the only thing they'll have going for them is the goalie.

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    2. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but the "3 rules of robotics" are just some do-gooder blabbing that no one cares about the slightest.

      In fact, military purposes are one of key fields for robots.

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    3. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by SubtleNuance · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they make them in Italy - yes.

    4. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by imr · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they won't, they're japanese robots.
      The italian robots, tho', will fall without anyone in a 1,5m radius.
      The argentinian robots will use their hands, and they will have 8 of them.
      The german robots will be be very fair ... as long as they win the game, if they are loosing around 15 mns before the end, they will begin to break the other robots legs.
      The french robots will have so much cosmetics enhancements because of all the commercials they play in, that they will be barely able to run.
      The british team wont have a robot goalkeeper.
      The us robots will make everybody laugh but nobody will show it. Despite their advanced design (and the heavy armor of the goalkeeper) their programmation will be terrible. They wont get anything of the game and will err randomly on the field and will even fall when there isnt anybody in a 5 meters radius. Yet the referees will still continue to be really really nice to them since the fifa will still want the us market.
      As for Brasil, they won't have any robots but real players and will continue to win.

    5. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by Epistax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I would ask you at what point a robot is equal to a person. I mean in theory if you took a computer right now and simulated an entire real brain (real simulation talking here, I assume atom level up will do it but I may be wrong) you'll have something that is just as much thinking as anyone else, and certainly has no less consciousness, just people will demean it because they know an easy way to pull the plug. Of course if one day that's you, you may not want them to pull it.

      So yeah, if someone programs something to say "I don't want to be a slave", it's meaningless. Then again if your superultratron vacuum cleaner starts painting abstract landscapes and dreams of visiting London, that's different. It's quite unlikely we'll be letting vacuum cleaners get that far.. well then again look at cell phones.

    6. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by Flamingcheeze · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "That would be a sad day. One of the biggest preventers of wars is fear of casualties and the political damage those casualties do to the government. take that away and we move ever closer to extinction as war becomes to easy and far to impersonal. Making war against another country SHOULD have grave consequences."

      Curious... if there are no/low casualties resulting from this politically-correct warfare, how, exactly, will that lead to extinction? We can't have "safe" wars, because it would be too dangerous? I'm confused...

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    7. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by HybridJeff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well I disagree with you on that one. Robotic soldiers would result in more death, not less. Robotic soldiers would allow rich countries to wage war much more freely, as there would be no body bags coming home, and much less public resistance towards the war. This would result in more wars, with more civilian casulties, all be it fewer deaths of invading soldiers since they would mostly be robotic.

    8. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Great, so we'll have fields of robots blasting each other. Then what? Whoever has more robots at the end wins?

      What exactly is the point of war if people don't die?

    9. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by fedork · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. US robots will fail because they will forget to convert feet to meters.

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    10. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      er, there is no such thing as the british team...

    11. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Funny

      During the World Cup 2002, there was an editorial cartoon with a little boy watching television:

      BOY: LES BLEUS, they...they scored!
      HIS DAD: Relax kid, it's only a commercial.

      (for the ignorant, the French team, the defending world cup champions, did not score a single goal during the world cup finals!)

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    12. Re:What about feigning Injuries?? by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not just the soldiers that die. The US invasion and occupation of Iraq, ordered by George Bush, killed 10,000 to 100,000 civilians.

      If he were the leader of almost any other country, he'd be in the dock at the Hague awaiting a War Crimes trial.

  4. Physical contact by Asterixian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So what happens when one of the human players on the other team does a slide tackle on the robot? Does the robot fall down? Does the robot get damaged? Does the human get injured? IANASP, but it seems like physical contact between opposing players is so common that replacing man with machine is either clumsy, scary, or both.

    1. Re:Physical contact by IO+ERROR · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So what happens when one of the human players on the other team does a slide tackle on the robot? Does the robot fall down? Does the robot get damaged? Does the human get injured? IANASP, but it seems like physical contact between opposing players is so common that replacing man with machine is either clumsy, scary, or both.

      It's a foot and a half (38cm) tall and weighs five pounds (2.4kg)! I'm no physicist, but I can imagine what would happen.

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  5. A bit more to it than that by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Insightful


    If only soccer was as easy as a bit of shielding and hefty kicking !

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    1. Re:A bit more to it than that by J-Piddy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Absolutely! By the year 2050 they may be as skilled technically as human players, but I really doubt they be able to win the World Cup. I think the Brazilians (not to mention the Germans, English, Italians, Argentinians, etc.) might have something to say about that...

      I've had several conversations with pro-level soccer players from Europe, and they've for the most part said the same thing about Americans; technically, we're better than most other countries. Unfortunately, as we've seen, that doesn't necessarily translate into winning games, particularly at a high level.

      If computers are still rank amateurs when it comes to Go, a game (as I understand it) which derives its complexity from the number of options available, how are they going to deal with such a large field, where the "possession" of the field and the positioning of players is so important? Can you really imagine a computer being able to see and react quickly to Brazil's "samba" style of soccer? I've played for my entire life, and even watching on tv I don't know how they do what they do!

  6. Re:But... by all+your+mwbassguy+a · · Score: 2, Funny

    theres nothing in the rulebook that says a mule^H^H^H^Hrobot cant play.

  7. Bones vs. Titanium by Sonicated · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pampered multi millionaire footballers won't even step foot on a field if other players have slightly hard shin guards, let alone legs made of titianium!

  8. Very close already... by jemenake · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, even today, I can build you a one-robot team that will, at least, would never lose.

    I needs no batteries or wheels. However, it is 24 feet wide and 8 feet high. If the ball is stiffly inflated, we can actually reduce the size of this robot down to about 23 feet wide by 7.5 feet tall. :)

    1. Re:Very close already... by davidescott · · Score: 3, Funny

      Add a canon and you could have a good shot at winning.

  9. As long as they're not white by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    and playing cricket we should be OK.

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  10. secret play by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    We'll just slashdot 'em in the final round

  11. Snake oil by Alomex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another product release by the Snake Oil corporation otherwise known as AI.

    Content-free statements like the 2050 press release is what gives AI a bad name. Serious AI researchers would be well advised to ostracized people who make such half hazardly statements, yet they seem to embrace them: the overly (and misguidedly) ambitious robot soccer competition is part of the main conference in the field (IJCAI).

  12. From the article.. by Sonicated · · Score: 2, Funny

    THE footballers of tomorrow will have the midfield guile of Zinedine Zidane, the finishing ability of Andriy Shevchenko and the staying power of Roy Keane.

    Roy Keane? Staying power? World Cup? They sent him home!

  13. And one more thing... by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 4, Funny


    making its own decisions based on information that it perceives with its 360 degree vision, and is able to recognise the football, approach it and deliver a hefty kick. It is also able to identify an opponent and shield the ball in much the same way as a human player does.


    And if that doesn't convince you they'll win the World Cup, perhaps you need a demonstration of the man-killing laser beams that shoot out of their eyes, meatbag.

  14. Obligatory Americanism by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2, Funny

    The football? I thought they said the World Cup. Don't these foreigners know that footballs are for the Super Bowl and soccer balls are for the World Cup? Sheesh.

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  15. Shape Up by Rie+Beam · · Score: 4, Funny

    "a descendent of the 38cm tall VisiON"



    38cm = 14.9606299 inches, or about a foot and two inches



    Nothing to fear here. Except maybe leg-humping offenses.

  16. Bah the Clones Will Win! by Evil+W1zard · · Score: 2, Funny

    By 2050 we will be able to clone a team of David Beckhams with giant mishapen, club feet and a goalie with 6 arms that will own the robot team!

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  17. because I can't help it by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The World Cup? I'd say that they've set a pretty high

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!

    <ducks>

  18. Kicking and blocking aren't the only things by dmccarty · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The biggest challenges aren't kicking and blocking. How will they handle a goalie bot being able to recognize an incoming ball and block it. And what if the ball has spin on it? 2050 seems like a long way away, but if you look at the state of today's vision recognition we have a long way to go.

    Also, there's the interesting question of logistics: will the World Cup champion team want to play against a team of robots? How would you like to miss the ball and kick your shin right into a robot's aliminum alloy leg? Ouch!

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  19. Re:Umm, rules anyone/ by nyekulturniy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can they train a robot to roll on the ground, screaming "My support units!" in hope of drawing a penalty shot?

    Maybe the Italian robots.

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  20. But the real question is... by saddino · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...can they design an authentic robotic soccer hooligan? (powered by alcohol of course)

  21. Re:Hmmm... by woah · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm reminded of the Japanese 5th generation AI / language project of the 90s... that was going to somehow revolutionize everything. Anyone hear about that in the last few years?

    You mean this?

  22. I'm surprised no one has said this yet. by Xyrus · · Score: 3, Funny

    All you balls are belong to us!

    ~X~

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  23. Re:Hmmm... by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Announcer:

    And Tux, who's come off of a left paddle injury with tremendous intensity here in the quarterfinals, takes the ball down the field. Score is still tied 0-0 with just twelve seconds on the clock to do it for the second half....He gets past Beastie with an impressive stutter step....HE GETS IN RANGE....THE GOALIE GETS DOWN....DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES?

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  24. Yeah, and I got a by Le+Marteau · · Score: 2, Insightful

    hydraulic jack which will win the weighlifting competition. And my Honda will win the marathon.

    Apples and oranges, peeps. Sure, it's interesting, having robots and stuff. But this fetish about machine/human competition misses a big point, and is just plain dumb.

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  25. Re:Fiction... by SnowZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a robotics researcher, I've thought about this a lot, so here's my take:

    The biggest problem is that Asimov's 3 Laws require complete information, which is not possible. Opening a door could hurt a human on the other side, therefore no robot can open a door. If you walk backwards or in the dark, you might step on a baby, so you can't do that either. And so it goes, making any action not possible. At the sime time, a robot is supposed to act to save people from harm. In addition, this all assumes the robot can process its sensors well enough to recognize people in all situations, and all potential sources of harm.

    The best I've come up with is the following: A robot must take the action (possibly null) that results in the minimum expected harm to humans given currently available or easily obtainable information.

    That's a lot weaker, and results potential accidental deaths due to ignorance (just like human actions). But everything in life involves risk, so that's pretty much inescapable.

  26. Re:No shit.. by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Energy will be the issue. If a robot can use hydrocarbon fuels at whatever temperature the engineers can contain, they will have more energy available, and they will win.

    If they are restricted in their power sources to roughly the same energy density as carbohydrates and muscle, then it's a much greater challenge. They will be making the same tradeoffs as humans: sprint now to get there, if it means being winded for a little while afterward?

  27. Re:Brazil by one_n_only_wildcat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was kind of an extrapolation, Brazil has the highest rate per capita of plastic surgery of any nation in the world. (I would link to some studies to back that up, but time is of the essence.)

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