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Getting Broadband To The Bayou

Caseylite points out an article in USA Today "about the struggle between the city of Lafayette, Louisiana and BellSouth. The big telecom objects to the city installing its own fiber-optic network, claiming unfair competition. The city says its goal is bringing high-speed data access to low income areas to break the poverty cycle, stating a link between broadband access and education and employment."

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  1. Two sides by SilverspurG · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On the one side is the innocent corporation which would never think to hold back service until the people are willing to pay through their teeth for it.

    On the other side is the innocent government which would never think to render everyone's communications legally monitorable.

    In the middle are all the people who don't know what the heck is going on but just want to amuse themselves on the network.

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    1. Re:Two sides by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me know if the luisana state network customers have to pay the $10 or $15 broadband tax that the FCC charges private providers and then we can talk about unfair competition. Oh, and don't forget the local state taxes that the state and counties charge as well.

      This reminds me of Cokes reason for Fast Food resturuants to use them instead of Pepsi. If you buy pepsi you will be supporting your competitors (Pizza Hut, KFC, Taco Bell). The resturants listened because it does make some sense. This is also why pepsi spun off those three as a seperate company.

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    2. Re:Two sides by SnowZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Local governments are a lot more responsive to voters than the federal government, since the area represented is so much smaller. If they do a really bad job, the public will turn against it and stop it. As far as people, I don't see how anyone could have a problem with something some other city has decided they want. I don't know what the public their wants, but a trust them and their government to decide.

      If SBC really thought this would fail due to inefficiency, they could just wait for it to do so. The reality is that examples from overseas show that this will be far cheaper than anything SBC would willingly provide (some town in Sweden gets 100Mb/sec for $20/mo, for instance).

      Not to mention, if it is tax based, those of us that can afford $50/mo would help support those who cannot, just like with roads and everything else. Since we support public internet terminals at libraries the same way already, I don't see that much difference.

      It all boils down to the equivalent of a bottled-water company suing to stop a municipal water treatment plant from being installed. I'm *so* sure the company is concerned with the citizens and not their bottom line.

    3. Re:Two sides by SnowZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And I'll oblige. Libertarians believe in state and local rights, far more so than Republicans and Democrats do nowadays. While I might not vote for the fiber system if I lived there, a Libertarian state or federal govt would never tell a city it can't do something like that, nor would they allow a corporation to sponsor a bill to that effect. A true Libertarian citizen would not tell someone in another town what they should and should not do with their local government, beyond debating the merits of various approaches.

      A Libertarian government strives to regulate to the minimum extent possible, while still maintaining a working government. For example, such a government would work just fine in the presence of a municipality that voted itself Socialist. Republicans, and to a lesser extent Democrats, would have a fit if this happened.

      The two parties have brainwashed the masses into believing that Libertarians only believe in letting corporations go wild. While we support the elimination of most checks on corporate actions, the parties want you to forget that we also are against (1) regulations that help companies, and (2) regulations on state and local governments. Tell me, how much has the government helped protect you against corporations, and how much has it helped them abuse you by passing laws that help them to hurt you (DMCA, Patriot, municipal network bans). Who are *they* working for?

      A Libertarian city might be ugly, with every corporation being allowed to lay the wires they could rent on private land, but I bet every home would have more than one strand of fiber to it by now. I feel a municipal network is more a reaction to overly restrictive state and Federal regulations, with a city-sponsored network the only way to deal with that on a local-only basis.

      P.S. At least I can spell *your* party correctly.

  2. Unfair? by XsynackX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only thing that is unfair about this is how companies like BellSouth are allowed to actually slow down processes that are helping people just so they can try to get a piece of the pie. I am sick and tired of companies trying to put their own profits before the greater good of society.

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    1. Re:Unfair? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hi, I am a human body. I am alive, but each of my cells has no personality, desires, ethics or morality. Do you think it's possible for an entity to be more than the sum of its parts? Have a nice day!

  3. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I live in Lafayette, where this is occuring. The problem isn't that the companies have direct control over what goes on in creating the network, but they do have the ability to run commericals nonstop badmouthing the city's plans. Bellsouth is partnering with Cox Communications, which is the city's cable provider. So, as you can imagine, running advertisements saying that the city's plans are bad doesn't cost them very much.

  4. Re:Unrealistic by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > and are an important source of income for many
    > millions of people

    42 million people in the US own 401k plans:

    http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5168863. ht ml

    I'd guess that non-401K, like the TIAA-CREF related plans, are another 20 million or so. Even when you factor in that some of these are the lone breadwinner of an entire family, the fact that the US has 300 million people means that this doesn't represent the majority of Americans.

    Only about half of Americans have any money, directly or indirectly, in the stock market. Many people's "retirement plan" is social security, their house if they have one, and their children if they have them.

    It is these - the less fortunate half - that the city was trying to help.

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  5. Oh the Irony by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The worst part about the Telco situation is that they said they would deploy fiber optics door-to-door and then ADDED ON EXTRA FEES so that they could "afford" it

    How The Bells Stole America's Digital Future: Part I

    And I'm just going to give a token mention to the miles and miles of unlit (dark) fiber lying around unused because it's "owned" by the phone company. And by owned I mean the state practically gave it to them through tax breaks.

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  6. Re:Link between broadband and education by nolife · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not everyone has a natural desire/motivation/reason to learn. People in poor areas have the same mental capacity as any other group of people in the world. A simple spark may be all it takes to get a majority of people the desire to excel. That spark may not come from the internet and computers but that is what the attempt is for. When I was about 6 years old, I got a nice colorful 100-150 piece puzzle of the United States. Each state had the capital labeled and some generic overview of each state (Iowa showed corn, Ohio showed tires, Pennsylvania showed coal and steel etc..). I enjoyed and learned my states from it. In later years of school, geography was my best subject, not from what I learned from the puzzle, but the previous interest I had in the states from the puzzle. This also carried over to US history and so on. The puzzle was not the source of the information but something that sparked my interest. Of course I do nothing with geography now but...

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  7. Lay lines, auction access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why can't the city just lay a dozen lines instead of one, and then auction off access to companies? Then the companies are free to market their service packages to the homeowners.

    This gets around the bullshit of unfair competition and actually creates real competition.

    Ensure each fiber line is capable of 100 mb or more up and down, build into the bidding process requirements of no blocked ports for internet service, no prohibitions on running servers, and businesses as well as individuals of all types are on equal footing as to access.

    A dozen lines would cover the local telephone monopoly, the local cable monopoly, the local power company monopoly, the local water company monopoly, any other traditional (long distance/AT&T) monopoly, and will have lines left over for competitive bidding by independent internet service providers, the small guys.

    The power company gets to read their meters remotely if lines are left over and cheap enough verses sending out a meter reader, the water company can bid for their own line for water meter reading or piggyback on the power company line, the cable company no longer has to maintain their own copper and can sell phone, video, and whatever else they want, the local phone company loses their monopoly and tax breaks on investment and all the other sweets they normally bribe legislators for, and either they compete, or they risk other areas looking at the city as a learning lesson and the idea spreads.

    Laying a dozen lines of fiber is hardly more expensive than laying one line due to the majority of the cost being in the labor in digging up the ground or installing poles and all the related charges.

    The city running their own fiber? My city can't even get water bills right, can't answer the phone, can't fix a manhole that makes noise for the last ten years, can't fix catch basins that overflow when it lightly rains for closer to 20 years, can't follow their own zoning laws (unless the builder bribes them and then everything is ok), can't plow snow on some streets a week after a snowfall, can't, can't, can't...

    Am I really going to trust my city to not snoop on my internet and voip packets after I complain to the city or sue them in court?

    Am I going to trust my city to not snoop on my internet and voip packets when my city is represented by about 90% of one party, and they call me up on election day to make sure I go vote for them? Am I going to trust them to not snoop on my internet and voip packets if I was registered in a different political party for the previous ten or twenty years prior to them installing voip?

    Am I going to trust them to not snoop on my internet and voip packets when I call up to report a problem, and the phone rings twenty times and then I hear the phone receiver picked up, fumbled, then hung up again, to hear the line go dead? And when I call again, I hear the same thing, only laughter in the background as it is happening? And when I report what happened to a complaint line?

    The city should lay the fiber lines, multiple lines, then auction access to them. Use the auction money to pay off the laying of the lines. And if that doesn't cover the total cost, consider it an investment in the future of the city, and an increase in the competitive attraction to businesses and individuals due to far superior internet access as compared to other cities, nearly every other city in the US.

  8. Citizens for fair cable by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember in Tacoma TCI / AT&T took out full page adverts in the newspaper and lots of airtime from a group that claimed to be "Citizens for Fair Cable". This was back 1997 or so. The CFFC claimed that a monopoly was good because if there was competition they would have to lower prices resulting in a negative impact on quality of service. Quality of service was piss poor anyway in the TCI territory due to their low grade cable and major leakage to the point that you could pirate the service somewhat with rabbit ears.

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  9. Re:Link between broadband and education by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The way our educational system is designed is to focus on the few bright kids at the expense of the others.

    LMAO

    Sorry, but I'm in the field of gifted education. If you think those few bright kids are getting 5% of what they really need, you are sadly mistaken. I've heard several soon-to-be-teachers saying that in their student teaching, they were told by another teacher "Divide your class into three groups - kids who will pass the test, kids who won't, and kids who might. Ignore the first two groups, and focus on getting the maybes up to yesses."

    The kids at the bottom are getting further behind, the kids at the top are stagnating and not learning a damn thing for three years in a row - but passing those pretty tests they could have aced in kindergarten! In most districts, gifted kids are lucky if they get a "pull-out program" where they go play "educational" games for a couple hours a week - which has no impact whatsoever on what happens in their normal classroom the other 28 hours, and really not much of an overall benefit.

    I'll stop now.

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