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Ethical Questions For The Age Of Robots

balancedi writes "Should robots eat? Should they excrete? Should robots be like us? Should we be like robots? Should we care? Jordan Pollack, a prof in Comp Sci at Brandeis, raises some unusual but good questions in an article in Wired called 'Ethics for the Robot Age.'"

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  1. Ethical Questions by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think he's really asking questions that haven't been asked before in other mediums.

    In fact, a lot of the potential problems he alludes to seem to stem from human fears about things humans can or have done to each other in the past. I think that what we really need to be concerned about is creating a new form of "life" that is too much like us without the knowledge we've gained so far.

    Think about it. We build this system that can do the thinking of 5000 human years in a day, but he doesn't have the KNOWLEDGE to necessarily back it up. What then? We've got a brand new self-interested lifeform that just evolved 1.5 million years in thirty seconds. I mean, Mr. Roboto may come to the logical conclusion that xyz group needs to be euthanized because it's interfering with abc group without, it would appear, any benefit. For example, if you have all these people in southeast asia who might get dangerously ill and spread disease to otherwise healthy people, isn't the most logical conclusion to either quarantine them and let them die, or to euthanize them so they don't suffer.

    Well.. sort of, but that doesn't go well with human motivations and desires, something the robot may not have taken into consideration because it lacks the knowledge of human history that's shaped us to this point and caused us to come to the conclusion that it's best to HELP them, not rid the world of them.

    I think machines ought to be barred from rapid critical human thinking until we have stepped through the process with them. The problem might become that the computer can outthink humans by so many orders of magnitude that we can't error check the process in development because there's too much data coming out for humans to walk through.

    All that said, perhaps the future lies in alleviating some of the bottle necks to human thinking and expanding our capabilities in new ways by merging with machines. In that way, the human can throttle the computer, and the computer can tap the human's experiences and knowledge in order to come up with a wider range of "logical" conclusions than might otherwise be possible within the limited scope of programming directives.

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  2. The real questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Sorry, but the questions this guy is asking tell me he's an academic wanker in an ivory tower somewhere.

    The real questions we should be asking are: is it ethical to make people believe they need to work harder than their parents to get less when physical products are easier than ever to produce? Is it ethical for both parents to work so much that they never see their kids?

    1. Re:The real questions by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Sorry, but the questions this guy is asking tell me he's an academic wanker in an ivory tower somewhere.

      Sorry, but he seems more like a wannabe academic-wanker who wishes he were in an ivory tower. Believe me, I've known some academic wankers in ivory towers, and he's not qualified.

      Considering "should robots eat?" as some sort of a deep or important ethical question is absurd. Why on earth *would* they eat? "Should they excrete?"?! Excrete what?! Why even speculate about the possible byproducts of 'robots' which don't exist yet?

      How are these issues of ethics, rather than an engineering issue? And should 'robots' be given patents? WTF?!

      It sounds like this guy is a little out of his element here. Ethics is a complicated subject. So is engineering. Predicting how the introduction of technology will impact the environment and political climate on a global scale is no easy matter, but apparently some CS professor from Brandeis thinks he's got a real handle on it.

      The whole article sounds like a 10 year old talking about, "In the future, we might create giant robots who would fly and shoot people, but if we did this, we can only assume they would poop a previously-unknown and highly toxic material. So, we might want to be careful about making flying super-robots." Great. Glad he's on the case.

  3. Should a hammer have ethics by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A robot is a tool. Any attempt to insist that they should have ethics is anthropomorhising them far beyond what they are or will ever be. Asking if a robot should have ethics is like asking if a hammer should have ethics.

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  4. Dumb Dumb Dum Dum by auburnate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pollack says "Imagine the pollution levels if we add hundreds of millions of robots powered by internal combustion engines."

    This is so silly it numbs my mind. If future roboticists use internal combustion engines on their robots, they are morons. Fuel cells, solar cells, rechargable batteries ... etc


  5. The real question . . . by Badgerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . . . is why aren't we asking more of these questions and why aren't they in the public eye.

    This is a nice simple article on some interesting questions, but it barely scratches the surface of all the concerns we're likely to face in the next 50 years. A few alone:

    When is someone responsible for a machine that functions independently, but that they configured?

    What resources will be affected by robotic production. Do we really NEED these robots?

    When a human and a robot work together on something, who gets the blame for failure?

    Of course anyone here can come up with more.

    The problem is that as technology improves around us, more people aren't asking these questions, and even less are coming up with useable answers.

    The future is coming. I wish we weren't watching "Who's your Daddy" while it approaches.

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  6. Thinking it through by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I think machines ought to be barred from rapid critical human thinking until we have stepped through the process with them.

    Lord knows we've done the opposite with computers -- making it up as we go along, screwing each other with IP, DRM, shoddy software and locked-into architecture for the maximized benefit (profit) of a few.

    How does any rational person see us proceding with robots/cyborgs any differently?

    I foresee patents, robots running on Windows (you'll know, because they have to be rebooted frequently, are infested with parasites(virii/worms), regularly patrol their environment doing things they shouldn't (whether defective, under guidance by software vendor or cracker, you'll not know) and need to download pest scanning/diagnostics/patches on a daily basis), Linux (two distros duking it out in the parking lot while a debian one waits to fight the winner) and having to upgrade and service on a basis that'll make your checkbook spin.

    Seriously, how altruistic does anyone expect robot manufacturing to be?

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  7. Re:Best? For whom? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If homo sapiens is replaced by silicon sapiens, is it really such a bad thing?


    It is, if you happen to be a homo sapien.
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