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Carnivore No More

wikinerd writes "FBI has retired the controversial Carnivore software, strongly criticized by privacy advocates for its email capturing abilities. However, it is believed that unspecified commercial surveillance tools are employed now. What does that mean for Internet users' privacy?"

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  1. In other news by detrino · · Score: 5, Funny

    FBI has begun to install its less intimidating sounding "herbivore" software accross the globe. Vegetarians rejoice.

  2. Instead.... by chipster · · Score: 3, Funny
    they decided to use free alternatives that work better;
    • tcpdump
    • ettercap
    • Ethereal
    • Kismet
    1. Re:Instead.... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny
      FTA:
      However, it is believed that unspecified commercial surveillance tools are employed now.
      Actually, they just bought Gator :-)
  3. No change by kahei · · Score: 4, Funny


    It means no change for Internet user's privacy, but confirms that the FBI weren't up to managing a large project, even in their core area.

    Which leads me to the inescapable conclusion:

    Privatize the FBI! I'm sure Halliburton would love that contract, but McDonald's would surely also be in the bidding. After all, who would suspect a few Ronald McDonalds wandering around the neighbourhood of being agents? Nobody, that's who! And by the time you notice their guns and badges -- TOO LATE, criminal!

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    1. Re:No change by newr00tic · · Score: 2, Funny


      [..] After all, who would suspect a few Ronald McDonalds wandering around the neighbourhood of being agents? [..]

      ..Could I have a Quarter-Pound-Me-In-The-Ass with those McCuffs, Occifer please?

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      A horse can't be sick, you know, even if he wants to.
    2. Re:No change by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would explain those wireless headsets they wear.

      And if you see a Ronald McDonald talking into his sleeve, it's a god chance he's an undercover RM..

  4. Itanium/Carnivore Connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clearly this is evidence that Carnivore ran on a Microsoft Windows and Itanium platform.

  5. At least before .... by with_him · · Score: 1, Funny

    I knew who my enemy was so to speak. Now we are fighting an unknown evil. Do you really think that FBI and NSA and giving up on snooping in the digitial age?

    The thought that someone might be able to link me back the county singer websites I visit a work is scary. I need my anomity!

  6. why call it carnivore? by budcub · · Score: 4, Funny

    You'd think they'd name it something like "Perfectly harmless investigating program that would never ever violate your privacy"

    Calling it Carnivore was asking for an uproar.

    1. Re:why call it carnivore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They're probably replacing it with Fluffy Bunny Instant Search-Bar Software. Who'd be afraid of FBI'S-BS?

    2. Re:why call it carnivore? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Fluffy Bunny" is a cool name... don't underestimate the fluffy bunnies!

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  7. Ok, but now will they by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Funny

    Open Source it or give it abandonware status?
    That would be fun!

  8. Re:Carnivore has offshoots by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    It can decode ASCII plaintext in real-time? Wow, now that is impressive.

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  9. Why Hide? by freezin+fat+guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sure the techies at FBI headquarters get lonely sorting through all the false positives these programs churn up. Instead of encrypting our email, I say include a friendly message for them. Hey, they're geeks too. (probably read slashdot)

    First, make sure you include one or more key words, (pr3sid3nt, b0mb, j1h4d) then include a hello to the kind folks who snoop your correspondence for you.

  10. Re:I have doubts... by nyekulturniy · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is not necessarily true. They could have developed a system that was so unusable and with so high development costs, that the only thing to do was to pull the plug on the project. The IRS has had to do this at least once in the last decade.

    The better path for the FBI would be to develop a gradual improvement in software, thoroughly testing each app for compatibility with the existing system. That's not the type of project that Federal empire builders and big contractors want.

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  11. Fuggedaboudit by handy_vandal · · Score: 3, Funny
    What does that mean for Internet users' privacy?

    Privacy? What privacy?

    Do you want criminals running your life?
    Of course not!

    But the world is full of criminals who want to run your life.
    What you need is police, to protect you from criminals.
    Magic Lantern + Organized Crime

    Scarfo + keystroke logging
    Then there's the problem of police protecting themselves from criminals -- or not, as the case may be -- but that's another story.

    -kgj
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  12. Re:We have never been at war with Eurasia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    No, no. You're got it all mixed up.

    Carnivore merely reads your email (and web pages).

    The project that goes through your hard disk and updates all your existing files to reflect the policy that was always in force (DON'T call it "changed") is code named "Winston".

  13. Re:try china by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    > i hear the goverment over there have lots of experience in "monitoring" its "public" networks
    >
    > perhaps they may have some ideas for your FBI

    Where the fuck do you think we're running the live beta and the scalability tests? Soviet Russia? :)

    I'm only half in jest. Soviet Russia was the alpha test for both the surveillance system and the sociopolitical system. It failed - two coups, and economic collapse.

    China was the beta. It succeeded. One attempted coup - crushed instantly, because the Chinese learned how to deal with dissidents. Political stability is rock-solid, and economic growth is stellar.

    The full system goes live, planet-wide, within 10 years. You're free to choose whether or not to buy in now, but it's a limited time offer.

    I bought in because steak tastes better than dog food, a plasma-screen TV made by slave labor beats making plasma-screen TVs for $0.01/h, and because winning is just plain more fun than losing.

    I kinda like your slogan. "Try China". I did. And I liked it.

  14. Clarification please by with_him · · Score: 1, Funny

    was I modded down for stupidity, mentioning country music or both?