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MySQL CEO Interview

someonewhois writes "MySQL's CEO, Marten Mickos, says 'Open source & MySQL will rise, legal foes will fall', in a bold prediction that legal issues will continue to be ignored as a threat towards open source, and that software patents will harm the industry (well, duh)."

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  1. A little too bold.... by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    He'd better watch it before Bill Gates makes him an offer he can't refuse, and he wakes up with a penguin head in his bed.

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    1. Re:A little too bold.... by dcrocha · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bill: Marten, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the database world.
      Marten: I'll never join you.
      Bill: I am your father.
      Marten: No. That's not true. That's impossible.
      Bill: Search your feelings you know it to be true.
      Marten: Nooooo. Nooooo.
      Bill: Yes I am.
      Marten: Ok then.

  2. 2 relevant sententces out of 38 by kpharmer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not much here:

    What do you think was the top story in the Linux and open source arena in 2004?

    Marten Mickos:None of the legal attacks on open source or Linux have been successful. None of that stuff has gone anywhere. That's the biggest story.

    On that subject, MySQL has come to the conclusion that software patents will ultimately be demonstrated to be harmful to the industry. So, we are sponsoring a campaign in the European Union today to educate politicians and decision makers on the negative impact of software patents.

  3. Software patents by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will harm *him*, but they'll help, for instance, Oracle.

    Both are in "the industry". So to make blanket statements like harm "the industry" fall on deaf ears.

    If you want to bitch about patents in a meaningful way, at least show how they do harm, by preventing competition by giving one company an unfair advantage.

    Also, it's in my opinion that it's only the frivolous patents that harm the industry. It's not the patent system itself that's wrong, it's the abuses of it. "Security holes" that need patching.

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    1. Re:Software patents by kpharmer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MySQL certainly has a lot to fear from software patents: it's a commercial company that could be easily sued.

      And it's just now implementing functionality that other vendors put into their products 10-20 years ago. Many of these vendors have patents that cover some of the better approaches.

      Any idea which dbms patents mysql is stepping on most blatently? Does oracle have multi-version-consistency patented?

    2. Re:Software patents by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you're missing the point: he's saying (and I agree) that software patents harm the industry as a whole. Anything that benefits a few monolithic closed-source software providers like Oracle over many open-source providers like MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc. -- and please no "my DB can beat up your DB" flames, okay? -- is bad for the industry in general, no matter how many MiGs they enable Larry Ellison to buy.

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  4. YOU ARE INCORRECT, SIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Postgre and Firebird are toys.

    MySQL is like the playmobile activity center you put in an infants crib, so that one day when he sees a real database he won't be too scared of it.

  5. Ignore legal issues? by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thats fine, when you are on the 'right' side of the suit..

    Let him get hit with being the defendant on a few IP suits, and i bet he sings a different tune.. One of caution..

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  6. Geographic Information Systems by SsShane · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a GIS geek that wants a solution that costs less than $10,000,000.23, I'm hoping that MySQL improves their spatial extensions. Right now I play with PostgreSQL w/PostGIS until MySQL can implement more robust projections (how geography is "laid flat" on a map for those who don't know). From what I gather, and I admit being new to open-source GIS solutions, PostgreSQL w/PostGIS extensions stomps all over MySQL at the moment, but I think it would be in their interest to improve as they have a nice business model and GIS is taking off.

    1. Re:Geographic Information Systems by kpharmer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      get in line...

      MySQL is still implementing functionality common twenty years ago. And many of their enhancements of the last few years have left major gaps (innodb/replication awkwardness, etc).

      Additionally, they still haven't addressed their problem with silent exceptions (quietly truncating strings that don't fit, quietly converting numbers that don't fit, allowing invalid dates, etc, etc).

      So, yeah, it would be nice for them to pick up some OORDBMS functionality that postgesql has like spatial awareness, ip functions, etc - but I hope that they clean the product up first instead.

    2. Re:Geographic Information Systems by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Funny

      Moderations are stored in a MySQL database, which detects and silently converts moderations that are positive to ones that are negative, when they are attached to a message critical of MySQL.

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  7. Wait, wait, you're joking... by rhaas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here we have the CEO of a company saying, basically, that his company is going to do well this year.

    And just for making that unremarkable statement, he makes the Slashdot homepage?

    News flash! It's the CEO's job to promote the company. They all do that. Even Darl.

  8. uh, Hemos.. by froggero1 · · Score: 4, Funny
    from the dept.

    what department would that be exaclly?

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  9. Phew by Bluetick · · Score: 3, Funny

    And here I was expecting him to say "Hey, sell your shares, this company and this open source stuff is fucked." Well this is a relief.

  10. Software patents and the Fine Line by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "There's a fine line that needs to be walked when it comes to software patents. Either extreme will stunt growth."

    Indeed, and that fine line is: allowing them.

    "On the one extreme[...]"

    sw patents are hopelessly borked. You can not patch the process up to be sure you only have high quality true software-innovations, and the whole idea of it is flawed in the first place, because software is akin to writing recipes, and it should be governed by copyright, not patents. and thirdly, patents are monopolies given by the state, because it is supposed to stimulate further innovation: all neutral research thusfar has indicated that it doesn't do that, on the contrary.

    "On the other extreme[...]"

    No, it won't. You seem to ignore the fact that, when software started with it's boom, there WERE NO sw patents. In fact, it can be reasonably argumented that it was just because they didn't existed at the time, that software knew such a high flight. Time and money isn't spend to produce new sw technologies; it is increasingly diverted to the legal departement of the companies. Companies that are flexible and can adapt will survive just fine without sw patents, rest assured.

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  11. Valid points by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why must any application that uses MySQL be GPL unless a commercial license is obtained from MySQL AB?

    If you're asking "what legal reason is there?", then the answer is because they decided in their infinite wisdom to GPL the client libraries, which is a more restrictive policy than any of the commercial DBs impose as far as I know.

    If you meant "why on Earth would they do that?", then I have no answer. They had to invent a stupid "FOSS License Exception" (see the above link for details) to allow popular non-GPL projects like PHP to offer MySQL support, and have basically removed any chance of commercial software support.

    In a nutshell, if you want to use a database in your non-GPL project (whether Free or proprietary) then MySQL is a poor choice. They've already added huge client library restrictions by moving from the LGPL to the GPL, and I don't see any reason to believe that they won't drop the "FOSS License Exception" kludge in the future. Note that I like the GPL - it's a good license and I support its goals - but this seems like a wholly inappropriate place to use it.

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