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Google's Dark Fibre Plans?

sebFlyte writes "According to news.com "Google is looking for Strategic Negotiator candidates with experience in...(i)dentification, selection, and negotiation of dark fiber contracts both in metropolitan areas and over long distances as part of development of a global backbone network." Is the search giant planning to build a global fibre-optic network?" Or perhaps simply use unused fibre that they can get for cheaper then from the datacenter providers; although at least from my talks with the datacenter folks, Google's not paying much per Mbps as it is.

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  1. Video search plans??? by maukdaddy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    hmmm....maybe this could provide the bandwidth needed for the initial indexing of video material? And maybe the constant re-indexing of TV shows, etc. straight from the providers.

  2. Re:I know! by AlgaeEater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Either that or they want to be able to sync their world-wide collection of data-servers in an 'accpetable' length of time.

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  3. Re:I wouldn't be surprised to see 'em buy a Level by vyzar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No no no.

    Why the hell would Google want to buy up an existing ISP/telco with all the crap that that entails?

    What they are doing is actually very sensible.

    By looking to negotiate purchase/lease of dark fibre over the medium term they are avoiding the big cost which is actually putting fibre into the ground.

    I imagine that they would ensure that the maintenance of that fibre is the responsibility of the provider, so they don't need to run their own maintenance crews either.

    And the BIG plus with having access to fiber is that you can then ramp up your capacity by using WDM (Wave Division Multiplexing) to get more bandwidth out of your fibre.

    They have probably realised that to ramp up their networks to cope with their future plans they need more bandwidth that they can afford to buy as "service" from a regular telco. Its just too damn expensive!

    By leasing the fibre themselves, they light it how they want, rather that how the telco wants to sell it to them.

    This *might* have biogger up front costs, but the recurrent costs are MUCH lower.

  4. Re:They've been connected to the ams-ix for some t by 0x000000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you have any statistics to prove what you said that "The AMS-IX is the largest Internet Exchange / NAP in Europe."?

    Last I heard the largest Internet Exchange was located in London.

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  5. "Glut of fiber assets" by grumling · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm getting really tired of all these "experts" talking about the glut of fiber in this country. The press makes it sound like there's dozens of dark fibers just a few inches from your house, and those darn telcos/cable companies just don't want you to have access to them. The reality is that most of the cash cow areas (such as Boston, NYC, LA and the bay area) have over capicity. Most of the rest of the country, where the payback is greater than 5 years, is very underserved.

    And even where there is overcapicity, it is mostly in the urban areas, put in place for business, not single family homes. Good luck getting dark fiber in the 'burbs, let alone the sticks

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    1. Re:"Glut of fiber assets" by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm getting really tired of all these "experts" talking about the glut of fiber in this country.

      Well, they are right. There is a glut of fiber.

      The press makes it sound like there's dozens of dark fibers just a few inches from your house, and those darn telcos/cable companies just don't want you to have access to them.

      I've never gotten that impression. Never in the talks about fiber gluts and dark fiber have I heard about it being related to last-mile fiber. It is always about things like this, a company wanting to connect an already fiber connected location with other already fiber conencted locations, and there being a glut of fiber.

      The reality is that most of the cash cow areas (such as Boston, NYC, LA and the bay area) have over capicity. Most of the rest of the country, where the payback is greater than 5 years, is very underserved.

      The reality is that when fiber was laid, it was laid with more strands than minimally necessary to serve the area. Then, it seems that competitors went in and laid parallel lines. To top it off, the price of lighting it up at higher speeds decreased and became easier. So, most routes served by fiber are over-served by fiber.

      And even where there is overcapicity, it is mostly in the urban areas, put in place for business, not single family homes. Good luck getting dark fiber in the 'burbs, let alone the sticks

      Huh? This isn't about connecting anything together that wasn't connected before. It isn't about "getting" fiber. It is about someone that is using fiber already using fiber in a different manner.

      You seem to be equating all "fiber" talk with "FTTH" (fiber to the home). That is completely different and unrelated to a discussion of fiber already in the ground. Or is this just a canned rant about FTTH that you post even when unrealted to the article in question?

  6. Re:They've been connected to the ams-ix for some t by phaze3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The AMS-IX is the largest Internet Exchange / NAP in Europe

    It is? I was always under the impression LINX held that honour..

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  7. Doubtful by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Google does not have access or ownership to a last-mile network, and more to the point the management of such networks is incredibly costly. If Google tried to be a later-day SBC I imagine their stock would begin to look a lot like SBC (translation: not good for present owners of GOOG).

    If they were truly making such plans they would also have to hire literally tens of thousands of people, or make a monstrous acquisition. Neither of which appears in the cards from what I can tell.

  8. Re:I wouldn't be surprised to see 'em buy a Level by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget that Google parks hardware all over the place. They've got a pile of it sitting in datacenters run by Savvis, who bought up the dregs of the Cable & Wireless operations (who bought up the dregs of the Exodus operations). But unlike Exodus, C&W also had tons of dark fibre. Savvis has been trying to make everything lean and mean, but they've got a pretty nice inter-datacenter-network... but not necessarily any bargains when peering with other people's operations. I can imagine that Google would love to get outside the loop of having the datacenter operators dictate what terms they're willing to live with when setting up new peering arrangements. Especially as Google's needs become more instantaneously multi-directional (rather than crunch-and-publish, it's real-time ad stats, mail, etc).

    Even if all these new hires do is help Google's datacenter providers make good decisions about new or altered peering networks, they'll probably earn their keep.

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  9. MOD PARENT UP. by vyrus128 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just because Google can "do no evil" now, doesn't mean we shouldn't watch them closely. They are a publically traded company now, which means whatever conscience they might once have had is gone. "Power corrupts..." so the more powerful they get the more skeptical we should become.

  10. ISP - transit vs peer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A more likely reason they would want to build a backbone network in the US is to attempt to get peer relationships with the large backbone ISP's rather than just being a customer buying transit service.

    Traditionally, peering was free, buying transit service was not. Now such relationships are done by secret contract so the exact economics vary contract by contract, but it is a safe guess that peering is dramatically cheaper than transit. Google is likely getting to the scale (both from their web crawling and customer access) that the difference is important.