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VoIP Regulation, SIP Insurrection

Chris Holland writes "As voice communications are evolving beyond traditional phone systems and making better use of the Internet, Aswath Rao is offering regulation-advocating counterpoints to Dr. Daniel Ryan's original analysis of various VoIP industry players' arguments for deregulation. Many of the above discussions revolve around closed, regulatory-scrutiny-fostering voice communications ecosystems reserved to a small, resourceful elite. Meanwhile, an open Internet protocol which provides support for all forms of real-time communications including Text, Voice and Video, with a few open-sourced server implementations and free client solutions is starting to gain serious ground: The Session Initiation Protocol enables just about anybody with little resources to become their own Real-Time Communications Giant."

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  1. It's the asterisk drinking game! by numbski · · Score: 3, Funny

    Okay, here's the rules.

    Every time someone mentions the word "Asterisk" in this page, you have to take a shot. ;)

    (Note that I'm building 2 of the 'A' Boxes right now. One for my home, and one at the office, a third will go at the ISP.)

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    Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).

  2. SIP behind Nat by Albanach · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Sip works well, but doesn't like NAT'd connections though it can be made to work. IPv4 and forcing customers to use NAT are the technologies that will continue to be used to keep provision of a lot of these technologies in the hands of the ISP's with the potential to bill customers.

    The ability to circumvent NAT is why programs like Skype have such popularity and why Linux users looking for more control have been quick to investigate Asterisk and it's IAX2 protocol.

    Open standards are all very well, but for the time being at least, SIP is going to be a good technology so we can connect our computers to big carrriers and interoperate with the POTS. Other technologies have the potential to completely circumnavigate POTS and the big carriers - you cna bet your life they'll do everything they can to make sure they're not adopted.

    1. Re:SIP behind Nat by luvirini · · Score: 2, Interesting
      (argh html formatting, disregard previous)

      Well, our quite Small( less than 250 employees) but international(18 countries) company is allready circumventing the POTS systems a lot. We actually have soft PBX in all our locations and thus allow us to talk within the organisation without charges. Also the callout rules use a combination of local calling from nearest office and VOIP terminations.

      Recently we embarked on a trial project to connect directly to some of the people we do a lot of business with. We sent out an inquiry about 2 months ago to around 100-120 companies and if I am correct(not directly involved with day to day on this) allready few (way below 10) dial rules go directly to some other company's PBXs bypassing the POTS.

    2. Re:SIP behind Nat by wolf31o2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is one of the primary reasons for dumping IPv4 and going IPv6.

      I have been working on setting up my own IPv6 network. I am even investigating the possibility of getting true native IPv6 addressing along side IPv4 from my ISP.

      The real problem for us is going to be all of the jokers out there that are so short-sighted that they ignore IPv6 claiming that "IPv4 and NAT are good enough for anything you want to do."

      Well, those people are simply wrong. There are lots of reasons for IPv6. Cheap, or even free, global phone service is just one of them. Let's all work to re-establish the Internet as the peer-to-peer network that it was originally, and not the client-server network where the content is provided by big business and multi-national media conglomerates.

    3. Re:SIP behind Nat by valmont · · Score: 2, Informative

      SIP was recently made to work behind NAT just fine thanks to STUN. read the article 'till the end. STUN was introduced in 2003, while SIP's been around for nearly a decade. I've even recently pushed the envelope to verify how well STUN works by making and receiving SIP calls from/to my earthlink SIP account behind 2 layers of NAT: 192.168.1.* network, linked to a 10.0.0.* network, linked to my earthlink (verizon) dsl.

  3. It should be great... by chris09876 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The whole VoIP technology has the ability to revolutionize communications. We just need to make sure that the industry is kept open enough, so everyone has a chance to innovate. Open source and open protocols are an excellent way to help do that. If the government steps in and starts regulating everything like they did with POTS, then we'll end up with a few huge monopolies that offer horrible service and horrible prices again.

  4. Re:data of VOIP by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, you can send and recieve faxes and dial-out via modem over VOiP.

    I dial out over Vonage all the time, since the only access to most of the boxes I support is via dial-up. There are still plenty of computers that aren't on the 'net, especially where privacy/security is key.

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  5. Hooray! by drewzhrodague · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Friend of mine called me from his Asterisk box last nite -- I picked up the call on my cell phone. His voice was clear, crisp, unjittered, no echo -- sounded like he was on a landline handset.

    So, I'm now experimenting with Asterisk...

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    Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
  6. Magic Beans by Bookwyrm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Session Initiation Protocol enables just about anybody with little resources to become their own Real-Time Communications Giant.

    And anyone with a hoe and a little water can become a Real Farming Industry Giant! Or, If You Have A Few Bucks, You Can Buy This Bridge I Can Sell You.

    The ... protocol (sic) does not function as a magic bullet. Just waving the SIP spec at a traditional telcom does not knock them over. (Okay, throwing the entire printed version of all the SIP specs might...) This isn't about anyone with just 'a little resources', this is about people with resources, a lot of technical know-how (SIP is easy only in the sunny day cases), and LOTS OF TIME.

  7. No 9-1-1 by ebbyfish · · Score: 2, Interesting

    VoIP (and similar technologies) does not provide any address information when you call 9-1-1 (I know neither do PBX's, but most people do not have one of those in their houses). That is a really big issue if someone reports his or her address wrong to the 9-1-1 Dispatcher (it happens all of the time, all over the country - I call this the grey side of innovation). Deregulation certainly has its pluses, but what are they worth if you or someone you know doesn't get they help they need? There is a public perception that 9-1-1 will come to your aid if you call them, many people were taught this as children. If these VoIP companies choose not to address this issue, then where does that leave the whole EMS system? How can they assist the public if they do not know where they are calling form? Just some thoughts.

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    1. Re:No 9-1-1 by Big_Al_B · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know where you've gotten this "No 911 with VoIP" idea from.

      I work for a telco/ISP/VoIP provider, and we've offer 911 services standard with all VoIP services. It's the same E911 service that cell carriers are providing.

      And most major VoIP industry players offer it as a standard, or at least optional, feature.

      Cell carriers are legally bound to provide E911 services (stage 1). VoIP carriers are not, but most serious providers do anyway, to have feature parity with the POTS market.

    2. Re:No 9-1-1 by Gaewyn+L+Knight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Incorrect!

      VoIP companies can and do provide E911 addressing. Vonage for example has a web page that you can tell them your home address and that will be sent with any calls to 911.

      The only place where VoIP does have a downfall in this area is for wireless VoIP phones. Since these phones have no idea where they are your company will be providing your home address as the 911 address even if you are in a hotel halfway around the world.

      Hence we hear the cry "Put GPSs in all of them like newer cellphones". Only problem with this is that most of these are used indoors and GPS signals are horrible at penetrating structures.

      Then we hear the cry "Place the location in all the access points". Once again the problem with this is... you have to tell the access point the location and you know that someone is going to forget to set/change it. This would also take a LARGE overhaul of how access points work since they would then have to inject this location into the datastream as it passes instead of being a passive bridge of the data.

      I think people are just going to have to be taught what the inherent risks are and how they can avoid them beyond that we start getting into the stupid world of blatantly obvious warning labels and such.

      Everything has an inherent risk... learn to deal with it people!

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      Telcos have alot of dark fibre in the States. Most people assume that's optical fibre...but it's actually moral fibre.
    3. Re:No 9-1-1 by Scyber · · Score: 2, Informative
      Wrong, I have Vonage too. And if you read their page: http://www.vonage.com/features.php?feature=911 They even tell you the following:
      Your Call Will Go To A General Access Line at the Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP). This is different from the 911 Emergency Response Center where traditional 911 calls go.
      This means that your address does not automatically appear on the Call Centers computers. Currently only Packet8 offers this feature. Although I heard that Vonage is beta testing in some markets.
  8. Re:Spam by luvirini · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Actually this might help in reducing spam if properly implemented.

    As atleast all the "real" revices are programmabel, you just give a voice menu that a human can easily select past.

    "You have called the residence of (insert name), the calls here are subject to licence agreemennt, Press 1 to accept the lisence, press 2 to listen to the lisence or hang up."

    On 1 it connects.

    on 2 it says something like "This is a legal agreement between you, the caller and (insert name), the called party. if you are trying to sell a product or a service, you must provide full company and personal details and to present the product truthfully. You will be billed 20 Dollars a minute for the call. Any lie or omission of fact on your part will result in a 500 dollar fee for for each such instance. By continuing this call you are accepting these conditions. if you do not jave the authority to accept contracts by phone, hang up now." And then continue about everything else you can think of..

    Thus everyone can just press 1 to continue and the phone will ring as normal, but try getting a spam to do that.. and all the telemarketeers are promising to pay you 20 dollars a minute to listen to them.. :)

  9. SIP needs to opened up by akajerry · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I think the biggest thing that the VoIP providers can do to avoid regulation is open up their SIP networks. And the best thing people like AT&T can do to get upstart VoIP players regulated is to open up their SIP networks.

    VoIP get's most of the emphasis, but SIP is the killer app that VoIP is riding on, IMHO. The most annoying thing is that the VoIP providers won't allow customers, other VoIP providers or CPE (Customer Premise Equipment) manufactures access to the really cool features of SIP.

    What can you do with truly open SIP. For starters it help to understand that SIP is a signaling protocol (like SS7 in the POTS world), not a communication protocol, SIP doesn't bother with encoding, decoding, or routing of the actually bits being communicated. As the name implies Session Initiation Protocol initiates communication session between end-points, once initiated the communication occurs direct between the end-point devices using some other protocol negotiated by SIP when it initiated the connection. However, the word "initiation" is a bit misleading because the SIP server also maintains awareness of the connection once established and can be used to control the connection afterwards and that can include adding/subtracting end-points, add/subtracting layers of communication, re-connecting end-points, etc. Very powerful stuff.

    So with open SIP, you could have your cell phone route calls to the ATA in your home when you're home, but directly to your cell phone when away (and visa versa) by having the SIP server of your home ATA tell the SIP server of your cell phone provider that the new end-point device for phone number xxx is here. Also, you could set up complex multi-media connection on the fly. You're chatting over IM with someone and decide you need to up the bandwidth to voice, click, both parties (2 or more actually) phones ring, need to add a data feed to that to send a file, click. Need to add video, click.

    The possibilities of what can be done with SIP have just barely been explored because of the limitation imposed by the VoIP providers. If only they understood Metcalf's law: The power of the network increases proportionately with the square of the number of nodes on the network. So by artificially limiting the number of nodes on your VoIP network to only your customers you really do yourself a disservice.

    So if AT&T opened up its SIP network first and allowed users to see the power of SIP then the public sentiment could very quickly tilt in favor of regulation on other VoIP providers to do the same. On the other hand, if Vonage opened up its SIP network first then it could maintain the regulatory high-ground that VoIP inherently creates a competitive marketplace without regulations.

  10. Re:No one cares... by faedle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The irony, of course, being that SIP has MORE THAN ONCE been suggested as a replacement open IM protocol...

  11. VoIP is still very much in its infancy by Jailbrekr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) When your power goes out, the phone still works. Your computers (and VoIP phone) do not.
    2) When your Network connection flakes out (as it is known to do periodically), your VoIP phone goes silent.
    3) When your ISP starts to block or throttle back VoIP calls which are not routed through their own VoIP service, your VoIP phone is almost useless. You can thank the lack of regulations for this.

    The VoIP industry is very much in bubble mode right now. It will burst, and when it does, I think that VoIP will finally have the opportunity to mature into a product which is actually useable for joe average.

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  12. Re:Have to agree by Afrosheen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sucks going with a proprietary, closed vendor sometimes. We've been very happy with our Sip-enabled Polycom phones though, we have an office full of them now and they work like champions. Nobody has even noticed that there are no phone lines in the new cubes and that the handsfree is full duplex now. I like it when new tech makes you take things for granted.

  13. No accountability by Omega · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here's why a lack of regulation for VoIP is A Bad Thing(TM). When you pick up a phone using POTS you always and immediately get a dial tone. If your phone service goes out for any reason, you can contact the Public Utility Commission and they will be on the phone company's ass right away. If your VoIP goes out, you have no recourse. Not to mention the fact ISP's do POP maintenance all the time -- I'm a little uncomfortable with knowing there's a time of day when I might not have phone service. When's the last time your phone company told you that phone service will be taken down between the hours of 11-12?

    I'm not trying to impugn the technology -- I think VoIP is great, but if it's going to replace POTS, it needs oversight and regulation as a public service.

  14. Microsoft Windows Messenger uses SIP by daern · · Score: 2, Informative

    i don't suppose anyone on /. will mention it, but Microsoft have adopted SIP in the latest Windows Messenger client.

    Note that this is *not* the same as the .NET Messenger client, which is designed for public Internet use. Windows Messenger is designed to work with a Live Communication Server, integrated into Active Directory and Microsoft Exchange. If you have the whole Microsoft suite, it actually works really well...

    More info here... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxp pro/maintain/wmsgrfaq.mspx

    We use this for corporate IM, voice and video conferencing, as well as remote desktop support (using the "remote assistance" feature) and also for desktop application sharing.