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Meet The Co-Creator of Firefox

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the learning-more-about-it dept.

Jay Langhurst writes "Learn more about the roots of Firefox and about the 19-year-old who co-created the browser in this article. 'To take an internship at Netscape during the summer of 2001, Ross moved with his mother to a rented apartment near Netscape's offices in Mountain View, Calif. She drove him to work each morning.'"

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  1. Ain't that sweet... by ravenspear · · Score: 4, Funny

    At least we know he's a real geek.

    1. Re:Ain't that sweet... by spellraiser · · Score: 4, Funny
      Real geek alright:

      And have his appearances in major newspapers posted on his eponymous Web site helped with those California girls at school?

      "They're the ones that aren't impressed at all," he said with a laugh.

      Depressingly familiar ...

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  2. Is it a two-floor apartment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    ' Ross moved with his mother to a rented apartment '

    Is the apartment two-floors, so he can still be in mom's basement?

  3. Re:But... by Malc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Haven't you been paying attention? Go and Google and you will learn that it was fixed in the mainline long ago, and you will also learn why it wasn't rolled in to FireFox 1.0.

    *sigh*

  4. Re:But... by almostmanda · · Score: 5, Informative

    This might be band-aiding the situation, but I haven't had to deal with the /. rendering probs since I downloaded the Slashfix extension.

  5. Re:Meet him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    admit it, you're not even a chick

  6. Strange how often it works out that way by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Odd isn't it - how many times a flat broke intern turns our entire industry upside-down?

    On another note, I wonder how the IE team feels knowing that an intern who had to share an apartment with his mom and have her drive him to work basically outperformed their entire team.

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    rediculous.
    1. Re:Strange how often it works out that way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder how the IE team feels knowing that an intern who had to share an apartment with his mom and have her drive him to work basically outperformed their entire team.

      I wonder how the mozilla team feels knowing that an intern who had to share an apartment with his mom and have her drive him to work basically took all the credit for their entire communities work.

    2. Re:Strange how often it works out that way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh please, quit it with the hero worship. He didn't outperform the Internet Explorer team at all. He took the existing Gecko rendering engine and slapped a lightweight shell on the front.

      Firefox development is hardly without its problems or questionable decisions. They switched from a good looking, professional default theme to an ugly, unfinished one because they couldn't be bothered to check up on the licensing issue (the theme creator had no problems with relicensing it to meet the Firefox needs).

      They broke the extension API multiple times while encouraging people to give it to newbies in its pre-1.0 unstable state, even going so far as to put it on the Mozilla front page in favour of the actual Mozilla suite. Newsflash: telling newbies to uninstall extensions, delete directories, etc just to upgrade is not acceptable.

      They made important UI changes in-between the release candidate and the final 1.0 (do they even know the meaning of "release candidate"?) including such usability cock-ups as changing some keyboard shortcuts from positive actions to destructive ones (when I want to open something in a new tab, I don't expect to get my bookmarks deleted!).

      They left a really annoying bug in 1.0 - the Slashdot bug - that affects their "early adopters" that are responsible for recommending this browser to other people. That's a marketing disaster that only seems to have been mitigated by people spreading FUD that it was a bug in Slashdot's code not Firefox's.

      I like Firefox. I use it as my primary browser. But all along, I have been shocked at how many boneheaded, unprofessional decisions have been made by the lead developers. I haven't observed this incompetence in other browser developers (except for Internet Explorer, of course), and it is not a good sign for the future quality of the Firefox browser. The Mozilla suite developers might not have had their priorities in tune with everybody else, but they didn't screw up anywhere near as often as the Firefox decision makers.

  7. Not only that. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny
    "On another note, I wonder how the IE team feels knowing that an intern who had to share an apartment with his mom and have her drive him to work basically outperformed their entire team"

    Studies have shown that a million monkeys, banging on a million typewriters, will produce Microsoft-standards-compliant IE releases on an average of once every 6 minutes.

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  8. Real or figment of media's imagination? by Sanity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I often wonder whether Blake Ross' involvement with FireFox is accurate and fair to other people involved, or whether it is a creation of the media in love with the notion that a 19 year old could go up against Microsoft and win.

    Does anyone have a good understanding of the actual role Ross played here and whether the media reports are being fair to other contributors by focussing on him?

    1. Re:Real or figment of media's imagination? by ToLu+the+Happy+Furby · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Blake's involvement is definitely being overhyped for the "college kid takes on Bill Gates" aspect, as both he and everyone else at the Mozilla Foundation will be quick to acknowledge. He did play a central role in getting the Firefox project started--but along with Dave Hyatt, who is now a developer for Apple's Safari browser. (Surprised we don't hear as much about Hyatt's role in the story?)

      I think if there's one person who really deserves credit as "the guy behind Firefox," it's Ben Goodger, UI nazi and lead developer from 0.7 onwards. After all, as Firefox is mostly just a UI gloss on the underlying Mozilla code, it's Ben's rigorous adherence to principles of good, clean, simple UI that has made Firefox the breakaway success that the Suite never was.

      But really that just emphasizes how much Firefox depends on the entire Mozilla project, with its thousands of sometime developers and probably a few dozens of real core superstars. That's the real story here, but so far the media has chosen not to cover it.

  9. Re:Uhh...wow? by MindStalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And completly rewrite the XUL that makes the frontend experience.

  10. Co-creator? by northcat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Co-creator? FireFox is derived from the Mozilla code base, with a few changes. The creators of Mozilla are the real creators of FireFox. It's wrong to give any amount of credit for the creation of FireFox to someone who just added some little features and optimized it a bit. The media just likes to make the "story" more interesting by saying a 19 year old "kid" created something used by millions. I can see a new media sweet-heart in the making. Like Linus Torvalds. Yes, he started a good kernel and gave a major kick to Free Software development, but it seems like the media just loves project as if he created every program we use on a Linux distro today and tends to forget the fact there people/groups of people who have done as much as or even more than him.

  11. Re:But... by the+unbeliever · · Score: 4, Informative

    because slashdot spits out garbage HTML that doesn't fit even the most lax of validation checks.

    slashdot's html was written back in 1997ish, and hasn't been updated since.

  12. Re:Meet him? by Chicane-UK · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow - so Michael Jackson does post on Slashdot!

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  13. Re:Uhh...wow? by dapyx · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, no. That should be: 1) Download Mozilla code and modify it a bit
    2) Change the name
    3) Change the name
    4) Change the name
    5) ???
    6) Profit!!!

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  14. Re:Uhh...wow? by finkployd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How much of a geek genius does it take to do this

    Slightly more than it takes to whine about it.

    Finkployd

  15. Re:But... by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My question for you is why do the Slashbot continually claim that Firefox is so superior when it won't even render their favorite site correctly?

    Because, even with this flaw, it's better than IE (the browser that's usually compared against)? I mean, Firefox isn't perfect, but IE is even less, from what I've seen.

    If Slashdot doesn't render correctly how the hell can they claim that every site will work "just fine"?

    Point me to a post where it has been said that all sites there is render just fine instead of just claiming something you think you've heard.

    If their favorite site doesn't render correctly under Firefox do you really think that they are going to believe you when you tell them that it is better?

    Depends on what they believe matters more, perfect rendering of Slashdot, or other issues like security problems. Also, Slashdot should render correctly in Firefox 1.1.

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  16. Re:But... by bunratty · · Score: 5, Insightful
    My question for you is why do the Slashbot continually claim that Firefox is so superior when it won't even render their favorite site correctly?
    Believe me, Internet Explorer has worse bugs than Firefox does. It's just that nearly every web developer tests their site very thoroughly in Internet Explorer, and most will go to great trouble to work around IE's many bugs. That's why sites look better in IE than in Firefox, even though Firefox is inherently superior. As bugs get fixed in Firefox and as more web developers test their sites in Firefox, this situation will improve.
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  17. Wired Mag Feb '05 cover - "The Firefox Explosion" by cyranoVR · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wired Magazine prominently features Blake Ross on the cover of their Feb '05 issue for their lead story, "The Firefox Explosion."

    Wired Mag doesn't have the cover online yet, meaning I probably got it from a newstand that put it out early (the 34th St PATH Station newstand in NYC, for those interested).

    The issue also features an "interesting" piece: a fake memo from the future...written to one Bill Gates from newly-hired employee Linus Torvalds - concerning Winux, Microsoft's next-generation OS.

    [Apparently, Bill's "pitch" to Linus in this post-apocalyptic future was "come on Linus...infect the Mothership ;^)" ]

    Anyway, I hate to sound like a pitchman for Wired, but it's worth the look.

  18. Re:But... by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Slashdot still doesn't render correctly in FF...
    That's because slashdot's HTML still doesn't validate. Even though people have fixed the markup it hasn't been incorporated into slashcode, either because no one has submitted patches or no one in charge cares. I'm surprised that the slashdot people haven't gone ahead and incorporated the changes themselves since it seems it would 1) help their street cred to have a site so focused on standards and computing to actually follow standards and 2) help them save bandwidth to use stylesheets more and get rid of the junk markup like font tags.
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  19. standing on ye shoulders of giants by sjf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants." --Newton to Hooke, 5 Feb. 1676;

    'Nuff said really.