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Google Planning Web Browser?

Kick the Donkey writes "John Dvorak has just posted a very interesting, albeit hypothetical, analysis of Google's future directions. Citing the 'unusual' hires of Rob Pike (from Bell labs), Ben Goodger, and Darin Fisher (both from Mozilla) and the acquisition of the gbrowser.com domain, Dvorak speculates that a Firefox based Google browser and Google-OS may soon be coming to a cluster near you."

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  1. Hey, look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a dead horse, let's go beat it.

    1. Re:Hey, look by Ultra+Magnus · · Score: 5, Funny

      He didn't just beat a dead horse, he bought a stronger whip, changed riders, proclaimed "this is the way we have always ridden this horse," appointed a committee to study the horse, arranged visits to other sites to see how they ride dead horses, increased the standards of riding dead horses, declared that the horse is better, faster and cheaper dead, and finally, harnessed several dead horses together for increased speed.

  2. Why the jump to OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A browser is one thing and apparently the only thing the evidence supports. Why the jump to a Google OS?

    1. Re:Why the jump to OS? by Excelsior · · Score: 5, Informative

      A browser is one thing and apparently the only thing the evidence supports. Why the jump to a Google OS?
      Because Rob Pike was the developer of Plan 9 at Bell Labs. His hiring by Google would imply they are looking to develop their own OS. Microsoft is trying to push in on Google's territory, so it makes perfect sense for Google to push in on Microsoft's territory.

    2. Re:Why the jump to OS? by nofx_3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A browser is in no way an OS. An operation system by most accounts that I have heard is the program that handles devices, files & filesystem, processes(process manager), and I/O(input/output). What you are talking about is a thin-client system, where a client is connected to a remote server, but in this case there is still and need for I/O, so there at least must be some type of os locally in addition to the browser, which would be in the application layer.

      -kaplanfx

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    3. Re:Why the jump to OS? by euro_hiker · · Score: 4, Funny

      actually - I heard from my aunt's friends friend who she met on jerry springer's son that Google are writing an OS.... and its based on FreeBSD and OSX, with full apple support and its all open source and free and the shareholders at Google have decided they've made enough money and are donating any money accidently made to charity.

    4. Re:Why the jump to OS? by HyperChicken · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nope. They hired Rob Pike and a few others from Bell Labs for their distributed computing knowledge, not because they want to create an OS.

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    5. Re:Why the jump to OS? by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A Google OS could be an internal project. A better system than Linux for running Google. Plan 9 has a LOT of really good ideas. Maybe they will create a better OS than Linux? Something new that was designed for networks and clusters from day one.

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    6. Re:Why the jump to OS? by colmore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A google linux distro might be good as far as getting a bigger install base for linux, but I don't really see how it would be in Google's best interest overall.

      Even with the star power of their name, they'd get only a very small percentage of Windows users to remove windows or repartition their hard drives.

      If google are going to make an OS it would be some sort of Litestep style explorer.exe / filemanager replacement for windows. Something that could be easily installed (and removed or turned off) over windows that would provide google functionality and branding, as well as advertising.

      Remember, first things first, Google is an advertising company, just like the major broadcast networks. Since they value their future and reputation, they are a pretty benevolent advertising company, but an advertising company nonetheless. A google browser makes a lot of sense in that context. A google linux doesn't.

      anyway, my 2 cents

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    7. Re:Why the jump to OS? by stoborrobots · · Score: 4, Informative
      http://investor.google.com/pdf/20040930_10-Q.pdf

      Page 7 of 10-Q (Page 12 of the PDF) lists the following revenue sources for the nine months ended September 30, 2004:
      Google Web Sites Advertising Revenue: 1,058,645 thousand dollars
      Google Network Web Sites Ad Revenue: 1,064,263 thousand dollars

      Total Advertising Revenue: 2,122,908 thousand dollars
      Licencing and other Revenues: 34,814 thousand dollars

      Total Revenues: 2,157,722 thousand dollars
      So, out of their $2.1 billion revenue in nine months last year, just $35 million was from licencing their "very very good technology" and the other $2.1 billion was from advertising ... I think that they probably classify as an "advertising company"...
  3. Re:Yes, they are by drdink · · Score: 4, Funny

    I heard it will be a joint announcement between Apple and Google about a Google OS that has a Google Browser that runs exclusively on the new PowerBook G5s. THIS WILL BE AWESOME!!!

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  4. With this guy's history... by de+Selby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this the John C. Dvorak that has worked in technology for several decades, making many predictions, talking of supposed trends... and being wrong on almost all of them?

    1. Re:With this guy's history... by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes it is. Quite frankly he's the slowest and least insightful IT journalist there is. I think he's only where he is because his name sounds like he might once have invented a novel typewriter layout.

  5. What's with the stupid google predictions? by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    event: Google hired a dark fibre negotiator
    press conclusion: "They must be doing VOIP!"

    event: google hires clever browser developer
    Press conclusion: "They must be doing their own browser!"

    event:Google hired a plan 9 developers
    press conclusion: "They must be doing their own OS!!"

    What's next - google hires a plumber - the end of IT as we know it?

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    1. Re:What's with the stupid google predictions? by smileyy · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're planning on taking on Nintendo?

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  6. Settle down boy by shadowmatter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Blake Ross, in his blog, had some insightful commentary that I didn't see mentioned here on Slashdot:

    Google's interest in Firefox shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. At the end of the day, 90+% of Google's users are accessing its service through the browser created and controlled by its largest competitor. Would you feel comfortable if customers had to walk through your competitor's shop to get to your own? This is really what Firefox is all about from a strategic standpoint, and this is what "it's just a browser!" naysayers are missing: he who owns the window to the web owns the web. When there's one porthole on the ship, everyone has to look through it. Firefox seeks to add more portholes to make sure people really understand what's going on outside.

    If they're planning an entire OS to make codifying and searching your data easier, I can't see that happening anytime in the short-term. After all, awhile back there was a shoot-out of desktop search tools, and the Google Desktop Search wasn't top-ranked (yet).

    - shadowmatter

  7. How about browser-in-browser thin client services? by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google could also roll out a thin client service in which you do everything within any browser window connected to Google. Google could host user accounts that go beyond email and search. A person could browse through the google browser, manage their googlefiles, run googleoffice, send gmail, buy stuff through froogle, etc. It would be a totally portable thin client service.

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  8. Vendor Lock-in by reporter · · Score: 5, Funny
    The Machiavellian spirit in me says that Google is trying to creep into my desktop. The game plan apparently is to leverage Google's search fame into winning the web client market.

    The web client is, in fact, the #1 application on the desktop these days. Literally, many people just click the "maximize" button after the browser is launched, and the web client occupies the entire surface of the screen. Off they go to read e-mail, look at porn, or cause a raucus on Slashdot by posting provocative articles.

    Then, the next step for Google is to create Gunix (Google + Lunix), pronouced "goon-ix". With the Google client in place, you download Gunix and swap out M$ Window$.

    Then ...

    <waking up in a code sweat>
    Google has a very good search engine, but I would prefer that Google stay off my desktop. I like Google just like it is -- a web site which I visit to read the latest news and to search for the best porn pictures.

    The problem with Google taking over my desktop is that I would then be swapping one monopoly for another: Micro$oft. What I like about open source is the decentralization, anti-monopoly attitude of the folks behind the Free Software Foundation. This kind of environment tends to encourage programmers from all parts of the world to contribute her little bit to creating a peace of great software. No one group of developers becomes dominant like Micro$oft or eventually Google.

  9. Valid or not, it makes sense by saddino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure it doesn't take a roomful of analysts at Google to realize that their greatest vulnerability is in web access. If MS were to embed their "next-generation" search so deeply into the UI experience of a future (Longhorn?) OS that the average consumer would become accustomed to simply using the, say, always visible MS search bar in the Sidebar for all web and desktop searches, Google would be toast. And you can bet Microsoft's roomful of analysts have come to exactly the same conclusion: the way to defeat Google is to make it hard to access Google.

    So, if you're Google, are you going to sit around with your hands in your ridiculously deep pockets and let Microsoft dictate the future growth of your business? Hell no. In fact, recent comments from MS make it clear that war has been declared.

    Defensive strategies are already in the works (e.g. using AdSense to "spread" their ad revenue generation so that it doesn't depend on hits to Google proper) so, how to counterattack?

    Well, Google hires smart engineers and likely equally smart business strategists who know that Firefox's success is a free trial balloon -- and it hasn't popped. Google's best move is to build a browser and challenge MS on its own turf. There's a reason Google is always in need of Windows developers and its not just to work on the Google Toolbar.

    Is Google building an OS? Who knows. But is Google building a browser? They better be.

  10. Re:How about browser-in-browser thin client servic by pavera · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This would be a trivial thing for google to do, and I think its where they are heading. If they release a browser, look for them to shortly thereafter release a web based office suite (that only works in their browser), or possibly a web based vnc viewer type app (again that only works in their browser), then they can sell desktop apps over the web, charge a monthly service fee, you get 10TB of storage on google's cluster, you get access to the compute power of that cluster, you have access to it anywhere, everywhere, fast and easy.

    This will be the death of MS, but as other posters have said, it is scary as all hell. Google is a nice company now, but this kind of power concentrated in 1 companies hands will prove horrible for the net.

  11. OS assumes the role of a BIOS by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How does Firefox assign and keep track of memory? Last I checked, it used system calls, which are part of the OS.

    How does Windows or Linux put your computer to sleep? Last I checked, it used ACPI calls, which are part of the BIOS. In the case of browser-as-platform, the host OS (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, etc.) assumes the role of a BIOS. Replacing the BIOS with something a bit more powerful could eliminate that middleman altogether.

  12. hmm by blackmonday · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Isn't Google the new Microsoft?

    Has Google done anything new? Not really. Much like the early Microsoft, they simply take existing ideas and improve them. Google wasn't the first search engine. They weren't the first webmail provider. They weren't the first web site that searched Usenet (in MS fashion, they bought deja). Even Picasa, which they bought, is being transformed into a PC version of iPhoto.

    Based on their past history, it wouldn't surpise me if they were to boldly attack Microsoft on browser, OS or even on an Office-type product.

  13. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just curious, does anyone have a list of predictions made by John Dvorak which turned out to be true?

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  14. Re:Forget about Google you guys. by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Face it, unless you seal yourself off, you have no privacy anywhere. How is gmail more invasive than any mailserver, except that it actually does something with the information that passes through its circuits?

    The real question is, who do you trust with that information? Google has worked hard to build trust.

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  15. no...because he's rob pike. by Vengie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. They hired Rob Pike because he's Rob Fucking Pike. He's the Pike in Kernighan & Pike. K&P and K&R are just about as standard as you can get....who cares if they want to create an OS, a Browser, or just ask him "Bob, what do you think?" -- because quite frankly ANY of those are valid.

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