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Carbon Dating & The Shroud of Turin
BlackTyranny writes "The Shroud of Turin, carbon dated in 1978 by a team of scientists, may be far older than originally thought. Raymond N. Rogers, a retired chemist from the University of California-operated Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, part of the original team, used samples given to him in 2003 from the Cardinal of Turin's scientific advisor. Roger's contends that the carbon dating might be faulty because "the people who cut the sample didn't do a very good job of characterizing the samples," that is, taking samples from many areas of the cloth." I think the shroud 'Patch' may be made of the big foot suit. ;)
Agnostic, Humanist? Bullcrap! More people should be less politically correct and tell the truth! I used to label myself agnostic, humanist, just gave the bible thumpin idiots more chance to feel good about themselves. Now I am a straight athiest and I dont have a problem telling all the intellectually impaired, Jesus freakin, tongue mumbling, jack asses to STFU! More people should tell them they are full or S**T!
I think it is the people who look after the Shroud ( some Church or other ) who decide whether or not people can take samples from the shroud and I think it's also their call which pieces of the shroud are taken.
I think they are very reluctant to cut bits off the shroud so it's unlikley they will allow any other bits which may be original and not patched on later to be carbon dated.
I think a fair summary of what has happened so far it this
- Scientists allowed to take sample for carbon dating and shroud owners specify which bits are taken and how much.
- Scientists date pieces of shroud they have been given and prove those bit's of shroud are no where near as old as people expect they might be
- Church says "Well, those bit's were just patches added later. Looking at the rest of the shroud the type of fabric used is definitely a lot older"
- Church says "No, you can't have any more samples for dating."
The fewer people in this world with blind faith, the better.
Stick Men
There is enough evidence out there that says that there was a man named Jesus and that he performed miracles.
I'm sure that's what you beleive, but talk to any historian, and you'll find that the evidence supporting the existence of Jesus is practially non-existent. Haven't you ever wondered about the fact that none of the authors of the Gospels ever knew the supposed Messiah? An easy conundrum to resolve, once you've reconciled yourself to the fact that Jesus never existed.
It's a good thing I have a Savior to pay the price for me.
Not when it was the supposed 'Saviour' who imposed the 'price' in the first place. Suppose someone sticks a gun against your head and threatens to kill you unless you worship them. After you've scraped and grovelled, should you hail them as your saviour when they don't shoot?
If this is your god, then he is a very small being indeed.
Tubal-Cain smokes the white owl.
when one should not bother reading a
This is much more significant than the RFID cracking "dupe"...
This is just plain stupid.
The "Shroud of Turin" is bullshit, if for no other reason than all the evidence is that Jesus was never crucified in the first place. It was a scam organized by his wealthy followers with the Romans to allow him to go underground provided he gave up trying to start an insurgency. Judas was his own twin brother (according to some accounts and interpretations thereof) and was assigned the task of being the "traitor" by Jesus himself.
Given that the entire Christian church was a scam run by a Roman double-agent named Paul who was run out of Jerusalem by Jesus' own followers, I find it hard to put any credibility in the Roman church's attempts to establish Jesus as their divinity based on a supposed shroud. Not to mention the fact that during the time of Constantine, the Church actually DISOWNED Jesus by declaring that Constantine and Constantine ALONE was the "Savior" of the Christian religion...
So now we have a bunch of retards proclaiming religious bullcrap in the pages of
Yeah, right...
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
And which part of the bible is written by one of Jesus' earliest disciples? AFAIK it was assembled decades or centuries (parts earlier, parts later) after the date where Jesus lived according to the church/bible.
That would be in year 325 AD. The question which of those texts were The Word Of God and which were heresy (sometimes the works of the same authors, but when they were not "inspired by the Holy Spirit"), was decided -- i.e. the Bible as we know it was composed -- during the First Council of Nicaea in the year 325, three centuries after the alleged death of Jesus. At this council the nature of Jesus was defined, deciding against the Arians in favor of Trinitarianism, i.e. declaring the divinity of Jesus and the concept of the "Holy Trinity". Also the Nicene Creed was written (We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, I believe in one God, Father, All-Sovereign, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen...), the kneeling during the liturgy and self-castration (sic) was prohibited, among others. But a more interesting period in the history of Roman Catholic Church is the part of the 10th century known as Pornocracy (sic). Quoting Wikipedia: "During this period, the popes were under the influence of corrupt women (though not necessarily prostitutes), especially Theodora and her daughter, Marozia. This period is also called the Rule of the Harlots. It is popularly believed that Marozia was the concubine of Pope Sergius III and the mother of Pope John XI. She was also accused of having had Pope John X murdered (who had originally been nominated for office by Theodora) in order to secure the election of her current favourite, Pope Leo VI." See: Wikipedia.org/Pornocracy. My heros were John XXIII elected Pope to end the Great Schism, later admitted to incest, adultery, fornication, and other crimes ("two hundred maids, matrons and widows, including a few nuns, fell victims to his brutal lust"); and Pope Alexander VI who kept many mistresses and called prostitutes to dance naked before the assembly, after which prizes were offered to those men who, in the opinion of the spectators, managed to copulate with the greatest number of prostitutes. I am not making that up, I swear to God. Any comments? Questions? Oh and by the way, not everyone realizes that fact, but the historicity of Jesus is doubtful at best [1] [2] [3] [4] [5].
3) Sex laws served two purposes. They held the family units together and guaranteed growth of the nation (more offspring than parents) as well as preserving the purity of the group. This may not make sense biologically but it avoided the cultural confusion which we Americans are so fond of.
heil Hitler. admiring your enemy, mein heir? i've never seen rampant nazism and right wing christian racsim mixed so well with warped family values. i can just see you chanting 4 more years! 4 more years! last election day.
4) The entirety of the code gave the Hebrews a sense of "something different" from their neighbors, as it continues to for those who follow it. Hence serving to unify the people and enhance a sense of nation, which is why they are just about the only cultural group of that period to have survived to the modern day.
you mean like middle eastern, indian, african(including egyptian), and the myriad of other cultures that are still around?
cultures are supposed to meld. they serve their purpose and then they are absorbed by either more dominant ones or just fade away or change with times. it's called cultural evolution. uh oh, i metioned evolution. now i've done it.