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Google Still Ahead In Search Competition

ricst writes "Google is, as we all know, King of the Hill. But Yahoo, MSN and others have come a long ways towards catching up as this International Herald Tribune article describes. The gap between 'best' and 'next best' has narrowed substantially. The good thing is that we all benefit as these guys keep challenging each other."

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  1. Re:But... by danielrose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They may do no evil, but for how long? Shareholders usually prefer profits over ethics.

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  2. MSN? What!?! by aldridge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    MSN and Yahoo still have a long way to go. I like Google for its simplistic site design and its lack of obtrusive banner advertisements shoved in your face. I use the word simplistic cautiously because as we all know Google is very powerful and keeps getting better every day. Who seriously wants to support Microsoft anyways?

    1. Re:MSN? What!?! by forand · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Unfortunatly the same people who click on banner ads. I would agree that I don't know anyone who would use MSN by choice but how many people just use the page that comes up after someone installed the OS or upgrade for them? Those are the same people who are much more likily to click on ads.

    2. Re:MSN? What!?! by bstadil · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Google is very powerful and keeps getting better every day

      I like Google but the statement is not correct in all domains. Technical searches is getting very hard, as the "sales" sites are crowding out the support pages.

      Take a technical part of some kind (graphincs card, disk drive etc.) if you want to get a more detailed description or a technical discussion of a certain problem it is very hard to get to this.

      You normally get zillions of sites selling this part first and even "reviews" tend to be blurbs left by a few buyers on the site nothing of real interest.

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    3. Re:MSN? What!?! by joeykiller · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Who seriously wants to support Microsoft anyways?
      These kinds of statements always angers me: I can't see why I shouldn't support Microsoft, if their technology happens to be better suited to my needs than the competitions?

      I guess you worry about Microsofts monopolistic practises. Guess what: In a couple of years, if things don't change, you'll worry about Google as well.

      - Even if Google's not responsible for killing usenet, it sure helped speed up the process.

      - Take a look at the cached content feature of Google: In every other context this feature would have been called breach of copyright.

      - Take a look at the image search: This too is breach of copyright.

      - Look at how people are designing web pages today: The old ideas of crumb trails (navigation paths on top of pages) are coming back, not because users need them but because Google needs them to crawl your site well.

      The thing is that the web is adapting to Google now, not the other way round. If you're paranoid you should worry more about Google than about Microsoft because what Google does actually matters.
    4. Re:MSN? What!?! by timealterer · · Score: 4, Informative

      The old ideas of crumb trails (navigation paths on top of pages) are coming back, not because users need them but because Google needs them to crawl your site well.

      No actually. Breadcrumb navigation is good for usability. Read about them from Jakob Nielsen, the usability guru himself, here and here. Breadcrumb navigation helps users get a mental picture of a website and where they are within it. It is particularly useful to users who come to a deep page from a search engine (be it MSN or Google) and need to orient themselves.

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    5. Re:MSN? What!?! by Mant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be nice if all the selling stuff could be moved to Froogle, although I'm not sure how technically possible that would be.

      It would also be nice if they could get rid of the other 'search' sites that often get the top spots. You click on a link, and just end up on some crummy search site with no actual info.

  3. The key difference by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The main thing I think that keeps Google ahead of everyone else is that they seem to be some nice folks.

    They've never gone and done anything nefarious (Micro$haft), and they've never had to switch search engines every other month (Yahoo!). They've just put out a quality product and improved on it continuously.

    They've got good tools that are both powerful and unobtrusive. They have very good search results. And they offer free services that make using their software a real pleasure.

    Yahoo and Microsoft can try to do what they like, but they just aren't as cool as Google. I seem to recall a previous article on Slashdot that stated that most searches conducted at Micro$haft are done on Google, even over M$N search.

  4. Googling. by ATAMAH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because of the quality of it's search engine Google has, over time, became a part of speach. How many times have i heard people say "i just googled for it" or "i found this and that after some googling". Internet search is now associated with google, its the mindset of the vast majority and that is going to be very hard to compete with.

  5. Article also available from NY Times by phidipides · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case of slashdotting, the article is also available from the NY Times.

    It wasn't a very informative read -- quick summary is that Yahoo and MSN are catching up to Google (they don't give many specifics as to what "catching up" means) and each of these companies is making more money from searches than they have in the past. They allude briefly to Yahoo improving their search technology and Google losing focus somewhat due to management being preoccupied by their IPO.

  6. Re:maybe its just me by fname · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's the first time I've ever seen a double-typo! First, you searched for "fired chicken" instead of "fried chicken," then when you wrote about it, you claimed to have searched for "friend chicken." No wonder you were surprised by the results! And UNT only shows up so how because they also misspelled "fried chicken." Hilarious.

  7. But Google's Behind In Search Patent Competition by theodp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google may best a9.com in the search department, but not when it comes to the patent department. Helped out by parent Amazon, a9.com boasts twenty four patent assignments (17 issued, 7 pending), while Google falls short with twenty one (8 issued, 13 pending).

  8. APIs - where's the competition? by manmanic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Google is also the only search engine with an API, giving 3rd party developers the chance to add value to their service without violating any terms. I think they deserve serious Kudos for that and it's also a smart move - they get to pick up some great ideas fro third parties like Google Alert for tracking the web, CapeMail to get results by email, GARBO for browsing related pages and Copyscape for finding plagiarism.

    Until the other search engines release competing APIs (hopefully with a higher than 1000 query limit), Google will remain top dog from the POV of /. types.

  9. Google is no ordinary company... :) by Damana+Mathos · · Score: 4, Informative

    >A company normally goes public because it needs
    >the extra bit of investment, right?

    Yes, but Google isn't an ordinary company. Google is highly cashflow positive and didn't need to raise capital. I think the main reason it went public was so that there was a market for existing shareholders (like employees with options) to sell shares, and because they reached a size where they needed to disclose a lot of information anyway.

    >Do shares continue to affect how much money it
    >has once it's gone public?

    Typically not -- unless they want to raise more money, or want to issue shares to take over another company.

    >If investors don't care about ethics and google
    >ignores this, their stock will go down and they
    >won't be an attractive investment.

    Yes, but since the Google founders have effective control, they might not care. :)

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  10. Re:But... by sparkydevil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Coprorations do not exist to do evil or good. They exist to make money for their shareholders.

  11. Coming close isn't good enough by 26199 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People don't try a selection of search engines every day then use whichever's best. They find a search engine they like and stick with it.

    The competitors are going to have to be considerably better than Google before people will switch in significant numbers. Or they're going to have to cheat... bundling, anyone?

    Look at IE versus other browsers: IE has been behind on features for years, but does it make people switch? No, they use what they're used to.

  12. to see the difference, use jux2.com by joe094287523459087 · · Score: 5, Informative

    www.jux2.com compares the result sets from google, yahoo, and ask jeeves and you can immediately see what's missing from each

  13. quoting images?? by pbhj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is no such thing as "fair use" in the UK (and Europe AFAIK).

    I doubt that this would really fall under fair use in US as, from what I've read, that applies to re-use of copyrighted works when you have some rights to them already (quoting books, re-formatting musical works, etc.).

    This is an adaptation of an original work. It shows the initial artistic work in low quality and therefore infringes not only on the commercial rights of the "artist" but also on their moral rights!

    Consider how to prevent people buying a poster and then distributing their own postcards of that poster in competition with the original artist. Sounds like google is doing the digital equivalent.

    If copyright laws were strictly followed life would far less of a rich tapestry.

    PS: I don't see anything wrong with what google do per se, just pointing out that it seems incompatible with the law.

  14. The Tide May be Turning for Yahoo. by CristalShandaLear · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for a long distance company and I spend a lot of time confirming numbers people dispute on their bill (i.e. I DEEN'T CALL THES NUMBER AN IF YOU CAYANT PROVE I DE-ID, I'M GONE SEEWWW YEW SUMBEACHES).

    If we can't find a number using AnyWho, we always use Google next and I'd say 99.9% of the time this resolves the issue without having to verify the call with the term party (i.e. If that lady's daughter wasn't sleeping with my husband, my number wouldn't be on her bill).

    When Yahoo first said they weren't going to use Google anymore for their search results, I really didn't believe them. I mean it took them forever to admit what we already knew so the trust factor was a little broken.

    It took a while, but gradually the returns from searches did seem to be different or different enough. I'm like well, ok, they're on their own now, but Google still gives more or better results.

    Until recently. Lately, searching Yahoo has been like back in the 90's when I first discovered HotBot(R.I.P.) then Google. In the past month or so, I actually have found what I wanted easier and faster using Yahoo. By faster I don't really mean return speed, I'm actually referring more to the relevance of the first items returned.

    It's not every single time, but often enough and different enough where now, I don't just use Google by default anymore. I actually make a point to check both and lately Yahoo is gaining on them in turns of generating the results I need and on returning a search that's different enough from Google that's it's worth the extra time to see what Yahoo turns up as well.

    Now my searches are for very simple and every day thing. However it seems to me, it's always those small things that cause the tide to turn in the larger pool of profitability in the long run.

    I also like the new video search. To be honest, it's cut down my pr0n search time a lot. Uh, at home of course, not at work.