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HP's Crossbar Latch... Next-Gen Transistor?

moojin writes "CNN.com reports that "in a paper published in Tuesday's Journal of Applied Physics, HP said three members of its Quantum Science Research group propose and demonstrate a "crossbar latch," which provides the signal restoration and inversion required for general computing without the need for transistors.""

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  1. Be sure to also read.. by Karamchand · · Score: 5, Informative

    ..the Original statement by HP and even more important HP's paper in the Journal of Applied Physics.

    1. Re:Be sure to also read.. by stephenisu · · Score: 3, Informative
      Excerpt fromt the EE times article on it for the lazy :)
      The latch consists of a single wire acting as a signal line, crossed by two control lines with an electrically switchable molecular-scale junction where they intersect. By applying a sequence of voltage impulses to the control lines and using switches oriented in opposite polarities, the latch can perform the NOT operation, which, along with AND and OR operations, the essential logic functions for general computing. In addition, the crossbar latch can restore a logic level in a circuit to a nominal voltage, which allows a designer to chain logic gates together to perform computations.
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  2. Since it's a technical story... by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Informative
    and since money.cnn.com is a business publication:

    EETimes story

    It's Patent #6586965

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  3. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  4. Re:If it works... by orasio · · Score: 3, Informative

    Every new chip design needs virtually new fabs.

    Plus, 4 Ghz is not a measure of computing power. And of course, we do need more power than a 4ghz pentium4.
    Lots of physics problems (think for example robotics) need to solve numerically differential equations, and that takes power.

  5. The problem is leakage. by Dylan+Thomas · · Score: 5, Informative
    Making processors faster and more complex generally means getting smaller. After all, an electron can only move so fast... if you want to get it from one point to another even faster, you've got to bring those two points closer together. The challenge is that if wires start getting too close together, you get leakage--electrons jumping from one channel to another--and leaky processors don't process so well.

    As near as I can tell, what they've done here is implement levels of titanium and platinum nano-wires which pass each at right angle. However, to prevent leakage, at the crossover points they are held apart by Rotaxan molecules.

    Rotaxan molecules are organic, and have this nifty little molecular ring which enables them to be conductive or not based on its position. Thus, you get your binary switch. This little animal is the "crossbar latch," apparently. And it can be done in something like 40 nanometers, making it scads smaller than current conductive strips.

    Unfortunately, I'm having a great deal of trouble tracking down technical details. HP wants to keep its secrets, obviously, but Berkely and Stanford should be a little more forthcoming, think I. Anyone have links to more technical information? It would be greatly appreciated...

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    1. Re:The problem is leakage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Maybe one of your pedophile friends could help you out, you sick fuck.

    2. Re:The problem is leakage. by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jesus, I thought you were trolling, then I went to his web site. He really is a pedophile - that's frigging nasty. It may be off-topic, but it's hard to imagine being so proud of that that you would openly advertise it in your Slashdot profile.

  6. Link to Description by bitswapper · · Score: 2, Informative

    From nanoinvestornews:

    A molecular crossbar latch is provided, comprising two control wires and a signal wire that crosses the two control wires at a non-zero angle to thereby form a junction with each control wire. Each junction forms a switch and the junction has a functional dimension in nanometers. The signal wire selectively has at least two different voltage states, ranging from a 0 state to a 1 state, wherein there is an asymmetry with respect to the direction of current flow from the signal wire through one junction compared to another junction such that current flowing through one junction into (out of) the signal wire can open (close) while current flowing through the other junction out of (into) the signal wire can close (open) the switch, and wherein there is a voltage threshold for switching between an open switch and a closed switch. Further, methods are provided for latching logic values onto nanowires in a logic array, for inverting a logic value, and for restoring a voltage value of a signal in a nano-scale wire."

    From USTPO
    "A novel switching device is provided with an active region arranged between first and second electrodes and including a molecular system and ionic complexes distributed in the system. A control electrode is provided for controlling an electric field applied to the active region, which switches between a high-impedance state and a low-impedance state when the electrical field having a predetermined polarity and intensity is applied for a predetermined time."

  7. Re:Cool by amalcon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I agree with your point, but I just think in case people don't know, this isn't true quantum computing, per se. Though the technology does rely on quantum mechanics, and the science will quite possibly lead to quantum computing, all this is is a better transistor. Think transistor is to vacuum tube as nanoscale latch is to transistor. A true quantum computer is actually an entirely different type of computer than we see today, even moreso than a ternary or analog computer is different than a binary computer.

    Cal Tech has a <a href=http://www.cs.caltech.edu/~westside/quantum-i ntro.html>good article</a> on this:

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  8. As always, save the bad news for last by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 4, Informative
    The bad news is at the bottom of the article:
    • Mean operations til failure: ~100
    • Switching speed: ~100/sec
    So they just need to improve its reliability by a factor of 10^16 or so, the switching speed only by a factor of 10^7 or so.
  9. Crossbar Latches explained by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 3, Informative
    Read this paper on crossbar latches. It's relatively short (28 small pages) and an easy read (for anyone worthy of /.). The concept is really quite simple, especially if you gloss over the defect/yield probability issues also discussed. Makes me wonder why we're still using big old transistors...

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  10. Bremerman's limit and Bekenstein Bounds by FreeUser · · Score: 3, Informative

    I will be the first to admit that eventually there will be some limit to how small we can make a transistor (or transistor replacement) it seems that we still have a ways to go.

    I knew all that research I did for my novel might come in handy one day. :-)

    The theoretical limits of information and computational density (based on quantum density limitations and reletavistic constraints on signalling, i.e. speed-of-light limits) are Bremermann's Limit and the Bekenstein Bounds, and we're one hell of a long way away from that. Practical limitations may be an order of magnitude or two less ... which we're also nowhere near.

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  11. Re:Cool by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's for militaries and governments, not for us. The way in which it works to prevent interception also works to prevent relaying... so unless you have a fiber line or laser link directly to whoever it is you are communicating with, it's useless as I understand it.

  12. Re:Wires, wiring (doomsayers will rise again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You mean like this, described in another HP paper from the quantum science group published in '03? :)

  13. Leakage refers to GATES, JUNCTIONS and SWITCHING by StandardCell · · Score: 3, Informative

    Intel has a good overview on what leakage is all about. Leakage has nothing to do with jumping wire channels, although the electric fields generated between one wire and another in small process geometries cause signal integrity problems such as noise and delay.

  14. Re:Not Legit by JohnsonWax · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because it doesn't have to actually work to get published - it just needs to be viably interesting (eg. not wrong) and have specific applications.

    Remember, applied physics != engineering. It the engineering boys that expect that it works.