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Google Rewards Employees With Millions

iseff writes "According to News.com, the Google guys created a program in November which rewards employees for outstanding achievements. The program gives the possibility of millions of dollars of stock to teams who perform great work. The goal of the program, according to Brin, is two-fold. First, it allows the company to reward 'genius', or whatever they see as genius. And second, it allows them to continue to hire all sorts of employees. According to the article, they believe that a recent grad who would like to work in a start-up will still be attracted to them because of the opportunity to create something great and be rewarded with millions (and without much of the risk associated with startups)."

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  1. Project: Retirement by Godling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question is, if the money is a motivation, then when you get your first multi-million dollar project bonus, you retire.

    Alternately, you're in it for the love of the game and no amount of money will make you quit. But then what's the motivation?

    1. Re:Project: Retirement by susano_otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I'm in it for the love of the game (and I am), then my motivation is to work for the company that rewards my love the most. Even lovers--especially lovers!--like to feel that their love is appreciated and requited. Google understands this. Rather than turning its high-performing lovers into bitter, cynical burnouts, Google is repaying their love every step of the way. And not just their love, but their hard work and long hours over many years--things that drain even the most devoted worker, and for which most companies give minimal compensation.

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    2. Re:Project: Retirement by jonnystiph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question is, if the money is a motivation, then when you get your first multi-million dollar project bonus, you retire.

      Alternately, you're in it for the love of the game and no amount of money will make you quit. But then what's the motivation?


      That's pretty Black and White. I am personally "in it for the love", and although money is not the end all, be all, it is still an incentive. Not implying that I am google employee.

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    3. Re:Project: Retirement by daijo78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps most are in it for the fun of it anyways. During the golden years the founder of one of the most successful startups here in Sweden said that once your employees get wealthy enough they will stop caring about the money and care more about where they can do the most interesting work. If it that benefits Google or not I have no idea:)

    4. Re:Project: Retirement by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're a genius, are you able to retire? I've been labeled a genius several times- stock options are not worth the paper they are printed on no matter what the company is, and in the end, genius will get screwed by good liars in marketing EVERY time.

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    5. Re:Project: Retirement by ehiris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who have a million would want the second million.

      Consider that you work somewhere where you or a peer has never been rewarded with a high sum.
      Now consider that you work somewhere where you or a peer has been rewarded a high sum in the past.

      Where will the money reward motivate you more?

      I've never been motivated by money. The only motivation I have towards money is that if I don't make a certain sum, I can't pay my bills and I might have to live in the streets. So the motivation isn't the money, it is the fear that I would have to live in the street.

      Passion for what I do is what really motivates me and money is a reward which could probably be motivating but I know I will never make a high sum where I am now so why bother busting my ass for it?

    6. Re:Project: Retirement by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depends on who you hire.

      There is probably nobody who objects to being rewarded handsomely for their services.

      But there are some people people for whom geek karma is priceless.

      The trick is to find the people for whom the money simply validates the message.

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    7. Re:Project: Retirement by fsmunoz · · Score: 1, Insightful
      The question is, if the money is a motivation, then when you get your first multi-million dollar project bonus, you retire.
      Many people have answered to this concerned in this thread, but allow me to be unpopular and give a marxist view on the subject.

      Implicit in your message is the idea that work is a burden and everyone, given the chance, would stop doing it. Adam Smith shared this view, stating that the natural inclination of men was, well, to do nothing, and work was a mean to an end, a necessary evil, as it were.

      Marx, however, disagrees: the natural inclination of men leads him to work, since men, being a social being, likes to shape the world around him and express himself through the changes he makes and through the result of his work, through the end result of his labour.
      Sounds poetic, but if it is so why do people feel that indeed work is a burden? Enter the concept of alienation. Because of the way the production chain is organised the fruit of men's labour (and by men here I really mean worker, those that produce something, tangible or not) is cut from him, the relation he has with his work is severed and his social contibution is thus transformed into something alien to him. Work is then indeed viewed as a burden, giving birth to the common dream of just about everybody (winning the lotery or something like that and retire).

      Please note that I'm not saying this to convince anyone, just seemed on topic. Nor am I saying that Google is socialist in nature (incentives for the workers are always better than nothing, but it doesn't change thefundamental work relations). But the incentives Google gives do, in a way, allows some lessening of the effects of the alienation process by promoting inovation and self-promoted efforts and ideas that are rewarded as such, giving at least the illusion of a more direct relation with the end product.

      Flame away, I'm out :)
    8. Re:Project: Retirement by drsquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BTW, the average person in North American can become a millionair by simply saving $100 per month and investing in a diversified stock fund or ETF for 30+ years.

      The average person would probably LOSE money in investing. $100 a month for 30 years is $36,000. To make a million out of that you'd need a 27.8 times return on investment. Actually it would be more than that if you take taxes and inflation into account. The average person investing in stocks loses money, that's why everyone doesn't do it. Therefore I very much doubt your claims.

  2. In other news by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google swimming in post-IPO riches, doesn't know what to do with all that money.

    Seriously though, while giving such extravagant rewards is nice for those that get them, it can cause a lot of resentment among those who don't. It's one thing for someone whose idea is (in my mind) only marginally better, or maybe even worse, than mine to get a $2k bonus when I don't, but it's quite another for them to be suddenly set for life. The politics this sort of thing could create could get ugly.

    Also, there's the problem of attrition. Google is probably already going to be dealing with this issue soon, as many of their brightest engineers already have millions in stock options, but a company that has a lot of instant millionaires one day may end up with a lot of resignation letters the next.

    1. Re:In other news by Tenareth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      Get over yourself, life will never be fair.

      Your post is exactly like the other guy that said it's unfair to those that do a half-assed job, the only difference is... he was actually making a joke, I'm very afraid you are being serious.

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    2. Re:In other news by X43B · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad."

      I agree with you that I'm sick of participation trophies and making everyone feel good about themselves, However, I think the original post had a point. They are giving awards out to teams. So say your job is to do some kind of support for one project and the guy next to you does the exact same job for some other project. His team has a genius on it and his idea becomes a major part of the company. Your team has some poor workers and through no fault of your own your project does not do well.

      You don't think there will be blood wars on who gets on the projects most likely to bring in the big bucks?

    3. Re:In other news by kindofblue · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Totally agree. Not only that, but if you have one great idea and get millions, then you've got seed money to bankroll your next great idea. Then instead of getting a payoff of 10 more million, you could easily create another company and be worth 10x or 100x more. I think that if you're really smart, then you know how NOT smart your bosses are, i.e. the founders. If your founders are worth hundreds or thousands of millions (like the Google, Yahoo, or Microsoft founders), then you might still feel undervalued. Once you've got financial security, then your ego still needs to be fed.

      If your motivation is to do great work, and you're already rich, then you might as well just teach and do research at a leisurely pace, armed with a bunch of eager (and poor) grad students. In the research world you can make a long-term, pervasive impact without worrying about giving your competitors ammunition to kill you, as you would by publishing your research from inside a company.

      Basically, I think that keeping the really good employees is always a problem, whether you give them a little or a lot of money.

    4. Re:In other news by jalefkowit · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I love this in America... whatever you do don't reward the Great Performers, that's unfair because it makes me feel bad.

      Get over yourself, life will never be fair.

      It's not about whether life is "fair" or not. Showering vast riches on a small group of employees is just bad management, no matter how good their performance is.

      The reason is because you end up creating cliques within the company -- haves and have-nots. The have-nots resent the haves, so they spend their time plotting how to undermine them rather than working with them cooperatively. The haves suddenly find themselves less motivated to care what anyone thinks (ask any Microsoftie about the "FYIFV" buttons that early employees wore when their options suddenly made them millionaires), so they work when they feel like it, on what they feel like.

      The result is that nothing gets done. Great!

      There's no reason why top performers shouldn't get compensated appropriately. But dropping million dollar bombs onto your project teams isn't the way to do it.

    5. Re:In other news by X43B · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't want to get in a flame war with you, but by support I meant those who are not captain of the team, are not leadings its direction, and did not think of the idea. The world I come from is R&D where even in a development team of all PhD people there will be those that skate along doing little or the obligatory work that was not unique to why this project succeded.

  3. Re:News at 11 by Rura+Penthe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You make it sound like a joke, but ask some IBM or Intel employees who hold dozens of patents how much money their genius has earned them.

    Of course, that's not to say that every patent is a genius idea, or that large numbers of patents deserve proportionally larger reward, but incentives programs do not typically account for the value of the patent to a company.

  4. Yay! But... by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How long can they keep this up? They're a publically held company and eventually they're going to get entrenched like every other "smart" company. Then they quietly stop giving away millions and start selling their address lists...

    Even Ben and Jerry's had to drop its "no executive makes more than 10 times the lowest level employees salary" rule when Ben and Jerry looked for a new CEO.

    I'm all for stuff like this, but how do you sustain it over the long term?

  5. Stock by FullMetalAlchemist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stock is actually a bit flakey, you can be rich as hell without having any money to buy food with; this happened to me a one point during the great boom.

    Sadly, now I got neither stock or money.

    Still, I bet it strengthen the employee commitment to the company, which is what they want.

  6. Re:News at 11 by daveo0331 · · Score: 3, Insightful
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  7. Set the Wayback Machine to 1999 by thparker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    According to the article, they believe that a recent grad who would like to work in a start-up will still be attracted to them because of the opportunity to create something great and be rewarded with millions (and without much of the risk associated with startups).

    Without much of the risk because they're being paid "millions" -- on paper, in the form of Google stock? Some people never learn.

    (Oh, and kids, those "millions" are very likely to be taxable before you ever see a dime of cold hard cash. Enjoy!)

    1. Re:Set the Wayback Machine to 1999 by thparker · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think he means "without the risk of the company evaporating". In other words, it's a stable job at a profitable company but you still have a shot at getting rich.

      Thanks for the insight, but I understood what he meant. I just think the fact that a company that is less than 7 years old is considered an unsinkable behemoth whose good fortune is guaranteed is evidence that some folks are drinking the same Kool-Aid they were passing around in the late 90s.

      I'm not saying that Google is doomed, but to say that a company this young and in a business this fickle is "without the risk of evaporating" is kind of silly.

  8. Just what we need by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More stock based incentives for employees. Didn't we learn from Enron, Worldcom or the dot com boom that stock base incentives causes people to do everything possible to raise the price of the stock including fraud and other dubious business practices. Why can't companies just give cash bonuses.

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  9. Re:Google may be hot... by Synthageek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I would request cold hard cash instead of stock options
    I agree. This result isn't applicable to just .com's. Many employees see $$ flash before their eyes and hinge their whole retirement on these stock options. As with all stocks, the potential for growth is much greater than taking the cash. I don't think that corporations inform their employees well enough when presenting them different bonus options (it probably isn't even their responsibility to either). I would definitely say "Show me the money".

  10. Re:Not fair I tell you. by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think he moded it insightful because (last I checked) the funny mod didn't actually increase your karma....so people tend to mod things insightful as a way to reward the person who said something funny. :D

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  11. Re:News at 11 by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No kidding. There are thousands of companies that reward their hard-working, profit-leading, genius employees. It usually comes in one of the following forms:

    coffee (with non-dairy creamer and sugar!)
    a mug/hat/pen with company logo
    doughnuts on the third Tuesday of every month
    reorganization, yay!
    casual Fridays
    2-ply toilet paper in the bathrooms
    annual raise (cost of living * .75)
    pink slip (bright pink!)

    Having worked for a company that does not respect the employees, I applaud any company that sees the value of happy, motivated employees.

  12. Re:Just when you thought... by painandgreed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Huge IPO.
    Massive employee benifits.
    Loads of hype.
    Money flowing all over the place.
    Zero profit.
    Unproven business strategy.

    Happy days are here again!

    When the next fake boom collapses sometime around 2009 or so...

    ...you learn from the last boom and when things are looking good you jump from "profitable company that isn't going anywhere" to "profitable company that isn't going anywhere" while they loose people to the start-ups and are trying to increase their salaries and benifits to match the start-ups. You may not end up making as much or rolling the crapshoot for millions, but when the new bust hits, you're at a stable company that isn't going anywhere with a salary and benifits that have been pumped up by companies that are long gone.

  13. Buy Bricks by popo · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Google should learn from the past.

    The bubble taught us all a couple things: Internet companies are not inherently more profitable. They are certainly not a "new paradigm".

    Got cash in the bank? Ok, sure make acquisitions. But don't become a dot-bomb rollup. Buy brick and mortar companies too.

    Rewarding internal (essentially "dot-com") projects, is a bit like valuing dot com companies in an even *more* dangerous way: without the input of the marketplace.

    Seems a little scary.

    Lets hope they reward *profitable* internal projects. Not ones with "potential".

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  14. You're assuming managers reward fairly by edremy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    At Google, this might actually be the case, but witness all the horror stories of bad management that get posted here.

    Try this scenario- you bust your ass 12 hours a day/7 days a week for a year to spec, design and code Wizzyfoo. It's awesome. It does some really neat things. Two weeks before it goes live, the company decides that Wizzyfoo just isn't compatible with the new direction the company is moving in. All your work is tossed in the bin and you're assigned to a new project. No bonus for you.

    Meanwhile, Bob across the aisle goofs off, posting meaningless replies at /. for most the day and goes golfing with the boss every weekend. Since he's got the ear of the boss, he manages to get a great looking demo before the suits, who decide to make it the new big thing. He gets the cash for the neat demo, even if there's nothing behind it and the product wouldn't work in reality.

    Would this happen at Google? Maybe not, but if you don't think similar happens everyday in industry you're blind. The suckups and losers get rewarded, the truly good get shuffled off since they're hard to deal with.

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    1. Re:You're assuming managers reward fairly by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Don't be jealous. Simply use the same tactics they use, but do it with your better skills and product. Networking is reality of the business world, and to just get pissed off at people who do it better than you gets you nowhere.

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  15. Re:Thirdly.. by ralphclark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is not just a funny remark. I find it extremely heartening that in a world still ruled by the ignorant, the warlike, the greedy, the hard-nosed etc - there will still be a few places where ordinary bright guys - who are *not* out to scam anyone - can make the bigtime and (most importantly) greatly improve their chances of reproductive success*. Maybe the human race won't die out just yet.

    *by reproductive success I mean (a) marry a more beautiful woman and thus have more beautful children which in turn...etc and (b) get to shag truckloads of chicks on the side, some of whom will fall pregnant. 'Cos that's the way it works.

  16. Re:What are the restrictions? by blew_fantom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    or, that dude needed to pay rent and buy food. at the time, perhaps taking stocks as payment and risk not being able to pay the bills wasn't an option. the lesson is that sometimes, fortuna favors the bold, but, you still gotta' eat... so you do what you have to do.

    i'm just sayin'.

  17. Re:What does this mean? by ornil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My understanding is that they want more and better people (remember the billboard advertisements, google tests, contests, etc), not that they can't retain the ones they have already. They have high standards and the "very smart" employee pool is limited. So, I imagine, they want to poach from other big companies a little.

  18. Re:News at 11 by bit01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... incentives programs do not typically account for the value of the patent to a company.

    Public companies are required by law to maximise their profit. Profit is not usually maximised by giving large bonuses to employees.

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    It's wrong that an intellectual property creator should not be rewarded for their work.
    It's equally wrong that an IP creator should be rewarded too many times for the one piece of work, for exactly the same reasons.
    Reform IP law and stop the M$/RIAA abuse.

  19. Re:News at 11 by ZigMonty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then why do CEOs, etc receive large (some would say outrageous) performance bonuses? If a low-level grunt invents the Next Big Thing, and makes the company millions, why doesn't he get the large bonus? I guess it was the brilliant "Mission Statement" the CEO came up with that really lead to the success.

  20. I've seen this before by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A friend of mine, a fairly competent sales rep, started his own printing company a couple of years ago. I worked for him for a while doing pre-print and graphic design, but I couldn't hack it for very long, as he gave the reps he employed free rein. The company was a sales person paradise, perks, insanely high wages, they could say what they liked to whoever they liked. It was the kind of company my friend would have liked to work for, so thats what he built.

    Needless to say, that went under in about a year, and I got the equipment in lieu of pay that had been given to salespeople instead, but the point of this is that google was founded by highly intelligent, academic people, and what they are doing is building an academics dream job. Intelligence is rewarded, whether applying for a job, or within the job itself. I do applaud their strategies, which are fairly novel, but you can't run a business like that. Their results have been slipping in terms of accuracy and reliability, their image search is actually less useful than the new MSN effort, and the pay per click model (which I'm betting is a good portion of their income) is starting to get a seriously bad name, as companies realise that competitors are costing them money by simply clicking on their adverts.

    By indulging in these "gentlemans club" policies, and losing sight of their core functionality, google will go the way of the dot bombs. Intelligence doth not a successful business make.