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Why is Microsoft Making its Own Life Difficult?

sebFlyte asks: "Asking Slashdot readers what they think of Microsoft's methodology and ethos might seem like a silly thing to do, but a ZD-Net article raises some interesting points. The main one is that: 'Microsoft's behaviour is technically, morally and practically indefensible. It could publish its CIFS specification tomorrow if it so chose, an act that would correspond closely to the spirit and letter of the European decision. The company would then be free to compete through the simple process of making better products, something it claims to favour, while also encouraging precisely the sort of interoperability it says is missing.' The question I'm curious to canvas opinion on is why Microsoft is taking an attitude that is believed by so many to be damaging to their market position."

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  1. It's not about marketing... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's about power and domination, period.

    Look at their attitudes from the beginning. They can never accept simple success. They only consider themselves successful when they have destroyed the competition. They have never competed on the quality of their product, or on a level playing field. They compete by force, like buying out their opposition, or giving away products until the opposition goes broke.

    While they like the money, it's about a small group of men at the top who want nothing more than to rule the world.

    1. Re:It's not about marketing... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And you think any other major company is in it to provide a better product or service?

      Did I say I thought that? Where did I say I thought that? Where did I imply I thought that?

      Microsoft is the company under discussion, so my comments were about Microsoft.

      So how, exactly, did you infer that I felt no other company behaves the same way.

      The world revolves around money, power, and influence.

      Yeah, I thought that way at one point. I'm glad I dropped out of the rat race and found I can live without taking part of that lifestyle. It makes life much easier and enjoyable. I've also left a lot of stress behind and am much healthier. The world is what we make of it. If you want to insist it is about money and power, than I hope you find a lot of money and power. I'm sure with your insights, you've found it wasy to start your own business and will soon be dominating your own field of endeavor.

    2. Re:It's not about marketing... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm happy, I enjoy life, I'm making more than I need, and I have a business I created that is successful.

      Not buying into the lifestyle you've created doesn't mean I'm into the hippie lifestyle. It's not either black or white. There's a lot of gray area in between -- and for those with imagination, there's a whole rainbow in between.

      I just decided to stop playing by the hardball rules where everything is zero-sum (it's not enough for me to win, but others have to lose), and focused more on win-win situations. Maybe it's beyond your view of the world, but it works great for me.

      I have the resources I need. Within a year or so I'll be starting a new business, using the profit from this one, where I'll be producing (in digital video and digital film) my own movies from the scripts I write. I don't see how I can be giving up a +1 when I found a way to do what few writers can: create a film company that produces his own scripts the way he wants, without producers telling him what to re-write.

      But, again, with that deep and original insight you show into the business world, I'm sure you're doing a fantastic job with your own business that's dominating the rest of the world.

    3. Re:It's not about marketing... by wcb4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It has nothing to tdo with a "hippie" lifestyle. If money and power are your goals, then by all means pursue them. I will not claim that any other goals are more or less lofty than that goal. I have passed up many oppourtunities in the past to "get ahead" because the life that I would have to lead to do that is farther from the one that I want to lead. I don't want to quit working, but I don't want to be a slave to my commute and my job. I want to spend more time with my kids. I've been real lucky in that I have been able to stay employed throught the last few years, and I was lucky enough to buy a house in the right place at the right time. I'm now considering selling the house and moving to small town someplace and buying a smaller house, just big enough for me, the wofe and the kids, and leaving the rat race. I don't need more money, If I have a vehicle to get around, a house to come home to, and electricty and food at that house for me and the family, that is enough. I don't have a lot of money, I don't want a lot of money, but I am not going to denegrade those who do want or have it. Its a personal choice, my personal priorities lie elsewhere.

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    4. Re:It's not about marketing... by arkulkis · · Score: 2, Insightful
      While they like the money, it's about a small group of men at the top who want nothing more than to rule the world.

      True... In that book Gates published in 1994, he wrote that his goal is to collect a fee for EVERY financial transaction that takes place anywhere on the planet.

      Any man with goals like that is EXTREMELY dangerous.

    5. Re:It's not about marketing... by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't have a lot of money, I don't want a lot of money, but I am not going to denegrade those who do want or have it.

      I agree completely.

      I don't have a lot of money myself, but I have my own small business that's not so big that it requires that I give up everything else to keep it going. That business generates enough money to live on. And I have sufficient "free time" to pursue my other interests and things that I enjoy (like reading Slashdot.) I have no "boss" to answer to; my boss is me.

      I might not have a million dollars, and I have pretty much no prospect of ever having a million dollars. But I don't need that million, and I don't need a tropical vacation or three weeks in Florida either, because I also enjoy my job and the idea of a vacation is kind of foreign to me -- I work 7 nights per week doing a job that I enjoy. And I like it that way. I have two nights per year off, and really would rather not because I don't have anything in particular to do during those two nights other than a bit of painting.

      I guess that I live something that is as close to a stress-free life as is possible in the real world. That suits me fine; up until 1995 things were entirely different and I was always on high alert when doing what was my job at that time (a form of law enforcement). Now, I don't have to worry about any of that. If it's beyond my four walls, it's someone else's problem. And I like it that way.

      The smartest thing I ever did was to drop out of the rat race and set up shop independently, doing a job that I like to do, using a skill or a trade that I think of as fun, and not at all hard to do.

      I make half of the money that I used to, literally. Maybe a bit less than that. Apparently, I live below the official poverty line now.

      Does it matter? Not really. I live as I choose, and I do what I wish. My life is my own, and I pursue the interests that I choose to pursue.

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  2. Corporate Culture by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft's corporate culture, from day one, has been to "game" the system, treat the source as the family jewels and play fast and loose with truth and rules. I honestly believe that they don't know how to behave any differently. Just as Gates used university time on the mainframe to develop his first product then condemned the hobbyists that distributed a few copies, the corporation was built on taking as much out of the community and giving as little back as possible.

    BTW, I am aware of Gates' philanthropic endeavors and that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how he treats his customers and the computing industry in general.

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    1. Re:Corporate Culture by GreatDrok · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Regardless of how he treats anyone, he has made a greater impact and changed the world for the better than any other individual in his field, except maybe for Tim Berners-Lee and a couple of others.

      I'm sorry but this is bunk. Any impact Gates and co have had has been purely coincidental and at the expense of other companies with better products and by destroying an active market place I can't see that they have been beneficial. OK, sure, they have had impact alright but a very negative one. Look at the mess that PCs are today, there is nothing good to say about the things beyond them being a simple toy. Computers should be a great and powerful tool to help us do our job better, not some glorified video game with the ability to run up a few letters. Using a Windows box for anything beyond the basics is just asking for trouble. Financial information is just sitting there to be plucked by the first piece of spyware trojan virual garbage to get on there. The amount of energy expended to try and keep Windows remotely useable is a horrible waste of resouces.

      And what about his generous gifts? I think I would be more happy about that if I hadn't spent £500 or so on software I don't use because I couldn't buy the machines without Windows. So, he is giving all our money away, we are the ones being generous because we put the money in the hands of those unfortunates, not Gates and co. We didn't get anything in return for our money therefore it is us giving, not him!

      He's a businessman and he runs a company whose goal is to make money. I'm convinced that no matter what he does, there will always be someone like you on Slashdot to bitch about it as immoral.

      I don't think there is anything wrong with making money but in a fair and proper market the abuses of Microsoft would not be tolerated. They call us communists and yet it is them who refuse to let us have any choice. Might as well just forget about driving anything other than a Lada......

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    2. Re:Corporate Culture by gadget+junkie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "MS's behavior is no different than IBM's was at its peak. Look at the history of IBM's antitrust problems with the US government, and the lock-in that IBM achieved with its customers. "

      How very true. in IBM's case, it continued on and off for years,like a bear hounded by a pack of dogs, until market realities, and Microsoft, reached them.
      Think about this: the original IBM pc used Ms DOS. Do you all see MS saying: "we see Office as our core product"?

      Sadly, I don't. Their core asset is the operating system, and to keep us all on the merry go round they have to change frequently, not for efficiency's sake, but to keep one step in front of GPL'd software.

      my personal opinion is that the US lost a major opportunity when it did not order MS breakup into operating system and everything else.

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  3. Assumption by DaveJay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're making the assumption that Microsoft truly believes what they say about interoperability and whatnot. Also that they believe they're still capable of making better products. If either (or both) of those assumptions is incorrect, then it might be safe to say they're blowing smoke while going right on doing what they've always done, and knowingly so.

  4. Re:Microsoft is smarter than that. by stimpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And that's why... Because Microsoft actually believes the above post.

  5. Prudent and Non-religious MS by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As much as I or others on /. rail against MS for various practices that end up costing users money, causing vendor lock-in and upgrade treadmills, the company did not get where it is today by acting foolishly.

    All of their recent actions and behavior is consistent with maximizing shareholder return.

    If conditions change, either regulatory (EU, DOJ monitoring, broadcast flags), technical (TCPA) or marketplace (Linux, Oracle, IBM) I would count on them adjusting their strategy to continue to maximize long-term revenue, pure and simple.

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    1. Re:Prudent and Non-religious MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If conditions change, either regulatory (EU, DOJ monitoring, broadcast flags), technical (TCPA) or marketplace (Linux, Oracle, IBM) I would count on them adjusting their strategy to continue to maximize long-term revenue, pure and simple.

      Microsoft has become big and inbred. I'm not as sure as you that they can change. The people I know who work for Microsoft sound like they've been brain washed. That's bad for a company in the long run. As the article says, it looks like the strategy they've followed forever is starting to fail and they show no signs of changing in response. You can hold by your faith that they will change, but you'll have to point to some evidence to convince me.

  6. Re:Why is Microsoft Making its Own Life Difficult? by nine-times · · Score: 2, Funny

    It takes a lot of work to be that incompetent. Or do you think their "incompetence" just *happens* to lock consumers into a never-ending cycle of paid-upgrades of their own products?

  7. Because it works. by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Interesting


    The question I'm curious to canvas opinion on is why Microsoft is taking an attitude that is believed by so many to be damaging to their market position.

    Because their actions have not been damaging to their market position; they have succeeded wildly with those tactics. Why should they change? What could they possibly gain from a change in strategy that they don't already have? "Good feeling"? "Competitive instincts"? You can't take either of those to the bank.

    The only interesting question is: if, and this is a big if, if they they ever find themselves to be losing marketshare in a substantial way, will they be able to move fast enough to change and adapt? or will they maintain their mantra to the end?

    And by substantial, I don't mean FireFox and it's 3%--I mean, for a serious threat to emerge, it would have to be somewhere above 20% of the market Microsoft wants to own. Otherwise it's just an outlier.

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    1. Re:Because it works. by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Because their actions have not been damaging to their market position; they have succeeded wildly with those tactics.

      Exactly. It's not foolish to continue using a strategy that continues to work. I would actually break your interesting question into two:

      1. Will Microsoft's anticompetitive business tactics hurt their market position, as so many keep predicting it eventually will?
      2. If that happens, will Microsoft adapt and change tactics or will they blindly continue as they have?
      Although we have seen some occasional indicators that the answer to #1 may be "yes, and soon", I don't believe we've seen substantial enough evidence yet. And until the answer to #1 is shown to be "yes", it's impossible to answer #2.
  8. IP is where it's at by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keep in mind that Bill Gates didn't start the company by writing an OS, he did it by buying one. He changed the way everything thinks about software and making IP the most important part of doing business. It's not about better software, it's about better technology. It's about using the tools you and only you are privy to to edge out other people.

    I've never heard of any program that was actually written by Gates. Whatever he knows about programming is marginal compared to what he knows about protecting the implementation. If releasing any information about how MS processes data or how its IP works is required in order to publish a truly open standard then there's no way they would ever do it without fighting tooth and nail.

    New technologies may be exciting and the ideas behind them may be easily understood, but they're considered property by many people and any action that abridges that property right will be frowned upon. Bill Gates seems to think he's John Galt, but none of Ayn Rand's supermen were as prone to error as Microsoft has been. He lost his chance at immortality when his company started using clout instead of new ideas to beat out the competition.

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    1. Re:IP is where it's at by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2, Informative

      Keep in mind that Bill Gates didn't start the company by writing an OS, he did it by buying one.

      Wrong. He started the company by writing a BASIC interpreter. And he developed it on a university mainframe on university time.

      A small nit perhaps.

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    2. Re:IP is where it's at by belmolis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I read somewhere a story about a guy at Microsoft who fixed the buggy flood-fill code in the graphics for Microsoft Basic. He showed his fix to Bill Gates and wondered aloud about who had written the original code, it was such a piece of garbage. Gates nodded, said nothing, and left. An old hand who had witnessed this then told him that the author of the original code was Bill Gates.

      It seems clear from the history we have that Gates was once a real programmer. He knew assembly language and knew enough to write a Basic interpreter. That may not be rocket science, but it requires more than novice programming skills. So I think it is safe to say that he knows the basics and that he has some experience of real programming projects. What I can't tell from what I know about him is whether he has kept up at all and whether he has a broad view of CS and programming. Does he know C? LISP? Python? Does he grok object oriented programming? How about functional programming? Has he worked with both polling and interrupt-driven GUIs and does he appreciate the differences? I have no idea.

  9. It IS about Marketing. by JoeD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't matter whether Microsoft is really interoperable or not. Nor does it matter how secure the OS is, or how stable it is, or anything like that.

    How can this be? Because 99% of the population either doesn't know or doesn't care. All they hear is Bill Gates saying "We are focusing on security" or "We are focusing on interoperability", and that's what sticks.

    Whether or not the security or interoperability are actually addressed is irrelevant - the terms have been associated with Microsoft in peoples' minds. All it takes is some repetition and maybe an ad campaign or two to drive it home. Then in six months, some poll will come out saying that people associate Microsoft with interoperable products.

    And that's what it's all about, boys and girls.

  10. Re:Microsoft is smarter than that. by Kismet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What, the financial record that shows a decline in revenues, while at the same time an increase in profits due to less spending on R&D? Is that the financial you are talking about?

    It sounds great to say that Microsoft just posted the most profitable quarter ever. But if you look behind the scenes, you see that Microsoft did less business than the previous quarter.

    You have to realize that Microsoft can almost live on its investments alone, without even being the #1 player in the market. I'm not suggesting that MS is not the #1 player right now, but I am suggesting that you have to look at revenues, not at profits. What you see might tell you another story - a different story from the one you are preaching.

    I don't study MS financials, so I am no expert. But I do get the impression that Microsoft has reached a plateau, in terms of revenues, with its current product offerings. It seems that people are slowly getting interested in other things: Like OSX. Like OpenOffice. Like Firefox. Like Linux.

    Microsoft drove their growth with a certain appeal. It was a cost appeal. Microsoft let you do things with computers for not a lot of money. This was appealing to people who were interested in computers at the time, but not initially to average consumers. Now Microsoft has eliminated its own cost appeal by virtue of its monopoly. The computer enthusiasts have become disillusioned with Microsoft, and have moved on to other things (cheaper, more open, more curious other things). These people are beginning to drive the next wave of technical innovations that will later become the staple of the common consumer. At the same time, MS is cutting its R&D and relying on its monopoly position and same old predatory practices to cast the illusion of growth.

    The fact is, there is no room for a monopolist to grow without getting into other markets. Yes, we see that Microsoft is trying this. I think it is because they understand the doom that is coming on the shink-wrapped software front. The good news is that, in these new markets, Microsoft is not yet a monopolist. They will try to leverage one monopoly to build the other, but I don't think they will succeed.

    Of course, we will see Microsoft as a big player for many years to come. That just gives everyone more time to see the writing that is on the wall.

  11. Exactly. by millia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is my first /. posting in gosh knows when- I get fired up, see all the posts, and say, screw it.
    But this subject is one of my premier hot button issues.

    I don't understand it. If you're confident in your product, trust in that confidence- don't use obfuscated file formats to cause interoperability problems.

    The only thing I can think of that keeps this anti-customer attitude going is corporate culture. Off the top of my head, Lotus and Autodesk seem comparable, in their persistence with a worldview. Lotus, at the beginning and for quite a while, used copy protection methods. They'd not use them for a while, but pretty soon, they'd come back again. Autodesk has gone back and forth on using dongles (or at least, until 10 years ago they had- my cad days are behind me.)

    Corporate cultures seem to have memes associated with them, and Microsoft's appears to be one of paranoia- regardless of the quality of their products.

    I'm Microsoft certified. I even can say I like Word, minus clippit, and I even think XP has its merits. I even think, with Server 2003's installation and granularity, they might even be getting a clue.

    But they make it damned hard to stick up for them, and until they open up items such as file formats to all takers, it will be useless to measure the quality of their products.

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  12. My take by j-turkey · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It could publish its CIFS specification tomorrow if it so chose, an act that would correspond closely to the spirit and letter of the European decision.

    Opening up CIFS, or the file specifications for their Office suite, or their ABI spec would really cut into much of their FUD. This is a good part of any dominant player's business model (I won't limit this stritctly to monopolistic behavior). A perfect example is the IBM/Wang situation, where IBM flung FUD about lack of the Wang's compatibility (which was simply untrue). In the end, IBM's sales stayed strong, and Wang went the way of...well...Wang. Microsoft does the same thing with their proporitary formats. "Sure, you can use a Samba server, but are sure you want to entrust your network to a hack of our 'real' stuff?". Same deal with OpenOffice.org (Microsoft actually published some FUD about this, which I can't seem to find) -- Microsoft basically said "Yeah, it'll probably work, but wouldn't you rather have a guarantee than a reverse-engineered hack of our stuff? Besides, you don't get Access with Oo.o, and you need that. You'll also have to shell out to pay to retrain your employees. Lost productivity!"

    Actually opening this stuff up would likely cause a major shift in their FUD activities. A good thing, perhaps...but asking why they don't do it is asking why someone hasn't opened up another hole in their head yet. Because it'll hurt!

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  13. Re:Microsoft is smarter than that. by iluvcapra · · Score: 2, Informative
    I don't study MS financials, so I am no expert

    I am no expert, by Yahoo! finance is always handy for this sort of thing:

    Total revenue is up about 28%, and gross margin has moved about the same amount, over the past three years. (Working from their last end-of-year, June '04)

    R&D is up about 80%

    SA&G (this includes marketing) is up about 91%

    These added operating expenses seriously cut into operating income bewteen '03 and '04, cutting about 24% over the three year period

    Insiders have sold (net) 31,000,000 shares over the past 6 months. (this is about 3% of M$'s shares outstanding.) BillG has, in this week alone, announced a planned sale of $100,000,000 in MS shares.

    On the other hand, looking at the balance sheet.

    M$ now has around $16 billion in cash (they've spent about half of this since Jne '04 according to the cash flow, but I haven't been playing close attention, so damned if I know what they bought.)

    I'm not sure what any of this means, but it's clear they're taking a big risk on marketing, and Bill would rather have his paper wealth somewhere else.

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  14. Want to bet? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The alternatives just haven't hit on a really good strategy yet.

    Let's suppose that most computers are bought by either gamers or people who use Word/email/web/IM. We have damn good alternatives to Word/Outlook/IE/MSNIM, and reasonably good alternatives to things like ACT and various niche business-oriented things.

    That leaves gaming. When you buy a new box, what game do you want to play? How well do you want to play it? Gamers probably won't settle for wine/cedega, due to slowness/bugginess (teh fps!). So, what to people play on Windows?

    I can count the really popular Windows-only game companies on one hand: Valve, Blizzard, SoE, Square, and EA. So, getting them all to port would kill MS. Only problem is, Valve includes a lot of former MS guys who (typical MS) don't care how much they abuse the PC/user/community so long as you can get good screenshots, so they'd be the last to make the port.

    That about wraps it up. I think that even a port of Steam/Source would be enough to make a company successful selling new boxes loaded with (say) Linux, especially if they bundled a few apps/games with them that the big guys (Dell, etc) don't, or if they supported some new, faster processor that wasn't x86 compatible.

    From then on, it would cascade through the industry. After my own fictional company's market share started to pick up, first HP and then Dell would start selling similar packages. With enough of a user base (50/50 is "enough"), software developers would start writing for Linux, and if it's as good as I think it is, the quality of the end result would either crush Microsoft or force it to (again) improve drastically, which wouldn't be so bad.

    Of course, though this plan doesn't require the cooperation of everyone all at once, it requires the coordination of a few major players (chip designers, game developers), and it's not certain even if I got that cooperation. Still, saying "Microsoft is never going to go away" is like saying "Kerafyrm will never die." It took a lot of cooperation, but he did, eventually.

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  15. Does MS even have the specs? by jbbernar · · Score: 2, Informative
    I recall Jeremy Allison, author of Samba, saying that he and the other Samba developers knew the workings of the CIFS protocol much better than the MS programmers they've spoken with.

    My point is, maybe the only useful spec is the code, which MS is unlikely to share.

    (Anyone able to find the quote?)