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Why is Microsoft Making its Own Life Difficult?

sebFlyte asks: "Asking Slashdot readers what they think of Microsoft's methodology and ethos might seem like a silly thing to do, but a ZD-Net article raises some interesting points. The main one is that: 'Microsoft's behaviour is technically, morally and practically indefensible. It could publish its CIFS specification tomorrow if it so chose, an act that would correspond closely to the spirit and letter of the European decision. The company would then be free to compete through the simple process of making better products, something it claims to favour, while also encouraging precisely the sort of interoperability it says is missing.' The question I'm curious to canvas opinion on is why Microsoft is taking an attitude that is believed by so many to be damaging to their market position."

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  1. It's not about marketing... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's about power and domination, period.

    Look at their attitudes from the beginning. They can never accept simple success. They only consider themselves successful when they have destroyed the competition. They have never competed on the quality of their product, or on a level playing field. They compete by force, like buying out their opposition, or giving away products until the opposition goes broke.

    While they like the money, it's about a small group of men at the top who want nothing more than to rule the world.

    1. Re:It's not about marketing... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And you think any other major company is in it to provide a better product or service?

      Did I say I thought that? Where did I say I thought that? Where did I imply I thought that?

      Microsoft is the company under discussion, so my comments were about Microsoft.

      So how, exactly, did you infer that I felt no other company behaves the same way.

      The world revolves around money, power, and influence.

      Yeah, I thought that way at one point. I'm glad I dropped out of the rat race and found I can live without taking part of that lifestyle. It makes life much easier and enjoyable. I've also left a lot of stress behind and am much healthier. The world is what we make of it. If you want to insist it is about money and power, than I hope you find a lot of money and power. I'm sure with your insights, you've found it wasy to start your own business and will soon be dominating your own field of endeavor.

    2. Re:It's not about marketing... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm happy, I enjoy life, I'm making more than I need, and I have a business I created that is successful.

      Not buying into the lifestyle you've created doesn't mean I'm into the hippie lifestyle. It's not either black or white. There's a lot of gray area in between -- and for those with imagination, there's a whole rainbow in between.

      I just decided to stop playing by the hardball rules where everything is zero-sum (it's not enough for me to win, but others have to lose), and focused more on win-win situations. Maybe it's beyond your view of the world, but it works great for me.

      I have the resources I need. Within a year or so I'll be starting a new business, using the profit from this one, where I'll be producing (in digital video and digital film) my own movies from the scripts I write. I don't see how I can be giving up a +1 when I found a way to do what few writers can: create a film company that produces his own scripts the way he wants, without producers telling him what to re-write.

      But, again, with that deep and original insight you show into the business world, I'm sure you're doing a fantastic job with your own business that's dominating the rest of the world.

    3. Re:It's not about marketing... by wcb4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It has nothing to tdo with a "hippie" lifestyle. If money and power are your goals, then by all means pursue them. I will not claim that any other goals are more or less lofty than that goal. I have passed up many oppourtunities in the past to "get ahead" because the life that I would have to lead to do that is farther from the one that I want to lead. I don't want to quit working, but I don't want to be a slave to my commute and my job. I want to spend more time with my kids. I've been real lucky in that I have been able to stay employed throught the last few years, and I was lucky enough to buy a house in the right place at the right time. I'm now considering selling the house and moving to small town someplace and buying a smaller house, just big enough for me, the wofe and the kids, and leaving the rat race. I don't need more money, If I have a vehicle to get around, a house to come home to, and electricty and food at that house for me and the family, that is enough. I don't have a lot of money, I don't want a lot of money, but I am not going to denegrade those who do want or have it. Its a personal choice, my personal priorities lie elsewhere.

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  2. Corporate Culture by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft's corporate culture, from day one, has been to "game" the system, treat the source as the family jewels and play fast and loose with truth and rules. I honestly believe that they don't know how to behave any differently. Just as Gates used university time on the mainframe to develop his first product then condemned the hobbyists that distributed a few copies, the corporation was built on taking as much out of the community and giving as little back as possible.

    BTW, I am aware of Gates' philanthropic endeavors and that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how he treats his customers and the computing industry in general.

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  3. Assumption by DaveJay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're making the assumption that Microsoft truly believes what they say about interoperability and whatnot. Also that they believe they're still capable of making better products. If either (or both) of those assumptions is incorrect, then it might be safe to say they're blowing smoke while going right on doing what they've always done, and knowingly so.

  4. Re:Microsoft is smarter than that. by stimpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And that's why... Because Microsoft actually believes the above post.

  5. Prudent and Non-religious MS by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As much as I or others on /. rail against MS for various practices that end up costing users money, causing vendor lock-in and upgrade treadmills, the company did not get where it is today by acting foolishly.

    All of their recent actions and behavior is consistent with maximizing shareholder return.

    If conditions change, either regulatory (EU, DOJ monitoring, broadcast flags), technical (TCPA) or marketplace (Linux, Oracle, IBM) I would count on them adjusting their strategy to continue to maximize long-term revenue, pure and simple.

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  6. Because it works. by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Interesting


    The question I'm curious to canvas opinion on is why Microsoft is taking an attitude that is believed by so many to be damaging to their market position.

    Because their actions have not been damaging to their market position; they have succeeded wildly with those tactics. Why should they change? What could they possibly gain from a change in strategy that they don't already have? "Good feeling"? "Competitive instincts"? You can't take either of those to the bank.

    The only interesting question is: if, and this is a big if, if they they ever find themselves to be losing marketshare in a substantial way, will they be able to move fast enough to change and adapt? or will they maintain their mantra to the end?

    And by substantial, I don't mean FireFox and it's 3%--I mean, for a serious threat to emerge, it would have to be somewhere above 20% of the market Microsoft wants to own. Otherwise it's just an outlier.

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  7. IP is where it's at by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keep in mind that Bill Gates didn't start the company by writing an OS, he did it by buying one. He changed the way everything thinks about software and making IP the most important part of doing business. It's not about better software, it's about better technology. It's about using the tools you and only you are privy to to edge out other people.

    I've never heard of any program that was actually written by Gates. Whatever he knows about programming is marginal compared to what he knows about protecting the implementation. If releasing any information about how MS processes data or how its IP works is required in order to publish a truly open standard then there's no way they would ever do it without fighting tooth and nail.

    New technologies may be exciting and the ideas behind them may be easily understood, but they're considered property by many people and any action that abridges that property right will be frowned upon. Bill Gates seems to think he's John Galt, but none of Ayn Rand's supermen were as prone to error as Microsoft has been. He lost his chance at immortality when his company started using clout instead of new ideas to beat out the competition.

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  8. It IS about Marketing. by JoeD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't matter whether Microsoft is really interoperable or not. Nor does it matter how secure the OS is, or how stable it is, or anything like that.

    How can this be? Because 99% of the population either doesn't know or doesn't care. All they hear is Bill Gates saying "We are focusing on security" or "We are focusing on interoperability", and that's what sticks.

    Whether or not the security or interoperability are actually addressed is irrelevant - the terms have been associated with Microsoft in peoples' minds. All it takes is some repetition and maybe an ad campaign or two to drive it home. Then in six months, some poll will come out saying that people associate Microsoft with interoperable products.

    And that's what it's all about, boys and girls.

  9. Re:Microsoft is smarter than that. by Kismet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What, the financial record that shows a decline in revenues, while at the same time an increase in profits due to less spending on R&D? Is that the financial you are talking about?

    It sounds great to say that Microsoft just posted the most profitable quarter ever. But if you look behind the scenes, you see that Microsoft did less business than the previous quarter.

    You have to realize that Microsoft can almost live on its investments alone, without even being the #1 player in the market. I'm not suggesting that MS is not the #1 player right now, but I am suggesting that you have to look at revenues, not at profits. What you see might tell you another story - a different story from the one you are preaching.

    I don't study MS financials, so I am no expert. But I do get the impression that Microsoft has reached a plateau, in terms of revenues, with its current product offerings. It seems that people are slowly getting interested in other things: Like OSX. Like OpenOffice. Like Firefox. Like Linux.

    Microsoft drove their growth with a certain appeal. It was a cost appeal. Microsoft let you do things with computers for not a lot of money. This was appealing to people who were interested in computers at the time, but not initially to average consumers. Now Microsoft has eliminated its own cost appeal by virtue of its monopoly. The computer enthusiasts have become disillusioned with Microsoft, and have moved on to other things (cheaper, more open, more curious other things). These people are beginning to drive the next wave of technical innovations that will later become the staple of the common consumer. At the same time, MS is cutting its R&D and relying on its monopoly position and same old predatory practices to cast the illusion of growth.

    The fact is, there is no room for a monopolist to grow without getting into other markets. Yes, we see that Microsoft is trying this. I think it is because they understand the doom that is coming on the shink-wrapped software front. The good news is that, in these new markets, Microsoft is not yet a monopolist. They will try to leverage one monopoly to build the other, but I don't think they will succeed.

    Of course, we will see Microsoft as a big player for many years to come. That just gives everyone more time to see the writing that is on the wall.

  10. Exactly. by millia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is my first /. posting in gosh knows when- I get fired up, see all the posts, and say, screw it.
    But this subject is one of my premier hot button issues.

    I don't understand it. If you're confident in your product, trust in that confidence- don't use obfuscated file formats to cause interoperability problems.

    The only thing I can think of that keeps this anti-customer attitude going is corporate culture. Off the top of my head, Lotus and Autodesk seem comparable, in their persistence with a worldview. Lotus, at the beginning and for quite a while, used copy protection methods. They'd not use them for a while, but pretty soon, they'd come back again. Autodesk has gone back and forth on using dongles (or at least, until 10 years ago they had- my cad days are behind me.)

    Corporate cultures seem to have memes associated with them, and Microsoft's appears to be one of paranoia- regardless of the quality of their products.

    I'm Microsoft certified. I even can say I like Word, minus clippit, and I even think XP has its merits. I even think, with Server 2003's installation and granularity, they might even be getting a clue.

    But they make it damned hard to stick up for them, and until they open up items such as file formats to all takers, it will be useless to measure the quality of their products.

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