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Death of the Album?

panth0r asks: "I know that a simple search for ' death of the album' will give you about 2000 finds of personal websites and their owner's opinions of what is to come of the music industry. Of course I can't resist the chance to ask Slashdot for their take on the issue, so here it is: Do you think the traditional music album is dying out because of advances in technology?"

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  1. My answer by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course I can't resist the chance to ask Slashdot for their take on the issue, so here it is: Do you think the traditional music album is dying out because of advances in technology?

    No.

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  2. Long answer by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let my clarify the short answer from my first post. I think that thanks to technology, the album is better than ever. Today you can buy a cheap computer for professional music mastering, and publish your album even if only three people in the world will buy it (or even publish hundreds of albums, with a new album every two days, or... you get the idea). Is the vinyl dead? Of course not. CD is not going anywhere either.

    (Sidenote: why on Earth has Slashcode started to change dashes to double hyphens?)

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  3. conceptual structure by jkakar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea of an album has become a conceptual structure. Each song tells part of a the story that an album represents. So no, I don't think the album is dead at all.

    1. Re:conceptual structure by sootman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "The idea of an album has become a conceptual structure. Each song tells part of a the story that an album represents."

      Twelve songs on one disc do not an album make.

      Furthermore, it's up to the listener. I have never in my life listened to "Operation: Mindcrime", "The Wall", or "Tommy" straight through. Good songs on each, but that's it for me.

      Overall, most of the public does not care for "albums."* Most only care for "songs." I don't know anyone at all who's a real album-art-and-liner-notes kind of guy.

      * and not just in the "I don't care so I imagine most of the public doesn't, either" sense. I've actaully been paying attention to this for close to 20 years. Remember when CD long-boxes were a comprimise for the album-art crowd? (OK, so they were mostly so retailers didn't have to buy new racks right away, but the idea of "album art" was a part of it.)

      Summary: Fuck albums. There's too much pretension in the music biz anyway. Release what you want, call it what you want, but don't expect me to sit in a chair exactly between the speakers in a dark room and listen to the whole thing all the way through.

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    2. Re:conceptual structure by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know anyone at all who's a real album-art-and-liner-notes kind of guy.

      This reminds me of the story of the Manhattan Upper-East Side intellectual who is supposed to have said, "I just can't understand how Reagan got elected. I don't know anyone who voted for him!"

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  4. It's dead, Jim by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, since the death of the CD longbox, albums have generally become something relegated to the past. It's no longer something that you buy to add to your collection, rather it is something that you consume and toss out when the latest fad washes away the fading memories of it.

    The fact that most artists suck these days (Rush? Tool? These are good??) doesn't help the situation much, but it is more a symptom of the real problem which is that album covers and cases have become cheap plastic "jewel boxes" rather than the more permanent cardboard with intricate artwork on it.

    1. Re:It's dead, Jim by denniscpearce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, since the death of the CD longbox, albums have generally become something relegated to the past. It's no longer something that you buy to add to your collection, rather it is something that you consume and toss out when the latest fad washes away the fading memories of it.

      "you"? who is "you"? is this what you feel is how "it" is designed to work these days or something? is this what "you" are doing? (although, of course, when things where better 'back then' you didnt, and neither did everyone else, because everyone was right and proper and knew what a music meant, and they felt it man, they really felt it!)

      whatever.

      yes there is a lot of trash out there, and yes it is all what the majority of the visible media portrays as music, but it is hardly the extent of music. yeah, you are right, the 14 year old who buys whatever is hot and all over mtv is probably going to simply consume it and be done with it pretty quickly. but there is still many many people who it all means much more to.

      one thing i often thing about is how there certainly are the people who dont really care about the music or the creators and are simply 'consuming', and how there must be a rising number of them (my little 17year old brother included) who could care less if they download a poorly encoded 128kbps mp3 instead of buying an album. i can hardly blame them, i am sure there are only a few songs they actually like on the album anyways. i think maybe at some point some change will gradualy occure, where these crappy albums dont even get released, but rather just the hits that will make it to the charts. the problem is, i guess, that the stupid recod companies wouldnt be able to get away with chargin 15-20 dollars for a few hits. even though thats what it comes down to at this point anyways (if somonne buys an album for the songs they heard on the radio/tv and the rest ends up being filler). maybe it could lead rise to a stronger focus on 'single' releases (which have never really been a proper thing in NA) and maybe albums wont even be released

      but i do tink its a little insulting the way youve written your first paragraph as if there is no decency left in music or albums

      and also....most artists suck these days (Rush? ... 'rush'?? wtf, a quick search shows they released their first album in '73 and havnt released anything for 7 years or so. they may suck (i dont know...) but if they are one of the groups that suck 'these days' then how old exactly are you? i suspected you were older due to your tone of longing and mourning for the lost 'faded' good old days, but you must be ancient.

      you should have a little faith in the music listeners of today, we dont all listen to trash, and in any case, there has been bad music around for a long time. im sure you listened to some crap when you were younger, whenever that was

    2. Re:It's dead, Jim by sgant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Album is not dead. Case in point: Green Days "American Idiot".

      I'm not a fan of Green Day, I kinda liked their couple of songs that came out a few years ago...but wasn't like a rabid fan. Didn't listen to their other albums and pretty much flew under my radar for many years.

      Then someone got me "American Idiot" for Christmas and I popped it in and WHAM...I was blown away. I mean, I really enjoyed it. And it was a real bona-fide album with an overall theme...remember them?

      Oh well, I see the album going ok.

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  5. You're right about the problem... by AudioEfex · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...but not about the cause.

    Technology isn't the problem, it's marketing and distribution. Albums are sold on one or two songs because the advertising - radio, clips on MTV, even concerts in most cases - has given us a singles-driven marketplace in a market where singles, for the most part, are no longer available for purchase. How did Britney Spears become the youngest female artist to debut her first album at #1? Because they had been playing "Hit Me Baby One More Time" constantly for six months, but there was no way to purchase it. By the time the album dropped, the demand had built to such a point most people never clicked past the first couple of songs (at least not more than once).

    Because the suits are only concerned with marketing, they don't care how crappy the rest of the album is as long as there are one or two decent singles. This has led to the decline of the album because most artists don't have the power - or even desire - to do anything better.

    So no, technology hasn't done this. Sure, technology makes it easier to shuffle songs around and mix them to our own desires, but most of us desire to listen to the music in the way it was intended or that provides the most fufilling listening experience; in this age of flash marketing it's just that many artists don't produce albums that benefit from being played in order, in most cases much of the disc usually isn't worth playing at all.

    I don't blame this on the fact that technology allows me flexibility to customize my listening experience, I blame it on the producers and record companies that don't give me a reason not to.

    AE

    1. Re: You're right about the problem... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful


      > How did Britney Spears become the youngest female artist to debut her first album at #1? Because they had been playing "Hit Me Baby One More Time" constantly for six months, but there was no way to purchase it.

      Also, she has big tits.

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  6. Not because you think, but... by Bin_jammin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the death of full recorded albums is not due to any new marketing trends, it's because by and large bands aren't making albums anymore. This will surely feed the flames, but I can't recall the last time I bought anything that flowed together as a single work, regardless of what track I was listening to. I recall things like Metallica's Black, Chili Pepper's Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Houses of the Holy, and I think of how much they were great albums. I scratch my head when I think of anything else I've bought that was recorded in the past ten years that was even close to that level of completeness.

  7. No way in hell. It's better than ever. by iainl · · Score: 5, Informative

    What is dying is singles. Just look at the sales figures; internet downloads (legal and illegal) are killing the CD single off bigtime. Not surprising when (to use UK figures) it is 3-4 pounds for the disc, with only 2 B-sides (usually remixes that few care about), or 79p for the track you actually want from iTunes (assuming you don't just copy it).

    Meanwhile, everyone who wants actual physical product in their hands buys albums, which have come down significantly in price in recent years. Here in the UK, sales measured by number of actual discs sold are well up; it's only when the record companies are doing their "piracy is killing us, honest" that they go on about how they haven't seen a huge increase in sales by value.

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  8. nah... by typhoonius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you go back even as far as the forties or fifties, you had a lot of groups that existed just to pound out singles and disappear. One-hit wonders aren't a new phenomenon.

    Even in the sixties (the height of album-oriented rock), both albums and singles had their place. In 1967, the Beatles released the Sgt. Pepper's LP and "Strawberry Fields Forever" c/w "Penny Lane." Both formats have their strengths (and the Beatles certainly got the most out of both of them that year).

    Last year, we had, to start, the Fiery Furnaces' Blueberry Boat, the Arcade Fire's Funeral, and Green Day's American Idiot, so clearly album rock isn't a dead form yet.

    I'm reminded of this review of (of all things) Vanessa Carlton's first album. Basically, he says that her single, "A Thousand Miles," was great, but that the record company is a bunch of bastards for trying to milk an entire (horrible) album out of her. He makes a good point that some people just have one good song in them, and that's that. Why not simply allow them to make their statement and get on with their lives?

    I think that's what the trend of digital music will help accomplish. A lot of artists only have one good song. People just want that song instead of the entire album, and now there's an easy distribution method in place for that.

    (Of course, this may not be the case either. Why are single sales so bad in the U.S., I wonder? I miss B-sides.)

    But there are also a lot of artists who are full of great songs and, moreover, know how to use the album format to form a complete and coherent artistic statement (and don't listen to the cynics here who say all modern music is crap, there's still a ton of good stuff out there if you look for it). They'll continue to do so, like they have been through all the other format shifts. Record companies will continue to support this since they can sell albums at higher margins than they can sell individual songs, iTunes or not.

    As an addendum, I hope that the era of physical media for music isn't over yet. There's something nice about getting something tangible for your money (not to mention you get the freedom of ripping it in the format of your choice, given that the disc isn't crippled with copy-protection crap). I think this will always exist, if only as an audiophile niche (maybe SACD has a future after all?).

  9. well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    2000 bloggers can't be wrong.

  10. I still refuse to buy music online. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I still buy the original, full CDs.

    Amazingly in this digital age, some of us still have CD players. I rip everything I buy - all my music is on my computer and I listen there or on my MP3 player. But I like to have the originals in a lossless, archivable physical format. Not to mention that I still have a CD changer in my car.

    However - the second they start encoding the CDs I buy with "copy protection" that makes it impossible - or a hassle - to rip my CDs, that's probably when I'll switch to buying music online and do something like wiring up an iPod to my car. All DRM will do is kill the brick & mortar retailers.

  11. MTV get off the air by obsol33t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With a youth culture that, for the most part, has been force fed their musical tastes so that they will buy what Viacom is pushing, I am not surprised that some are predicting the end of the album. Rant.end() I have learned that there is nothing better in the world than exploring my own musical tastes and have found the internet a blessing in this regard. If an album sucks except for one song it can't escape internet reviews.

  12. What is a album? by pjay_dml · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we use the term in the sense of a plastic disc with a bunch of songs....yes

    If we use the term to capture a set of songs, that toghether form a story....no

    We become so involved with the now, that we forget why we actually started doing things the way we do.

    In the end...nothing but semantics!

  13. Did concept of an album change? by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I listen to a lot of electronic music and with some styles like drum & bass for instance, the album concept never really has been a big thing there. Tracks are released on 12" mostly.

    With other genres though, many albums are a concept of music/art (rather than a bunch of songs randomly put together on a disk, slapped together in an appealing package). For artists there's usually a whole process of creating the album, and often there's a story told througout the songs on an album. I don't think this will change much with new technology.

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  14. ADD'ing of America by mabu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think a lot of this has to do with the ever-increasing media machine slowly giving everyone A.D.D. You can't watch television or listen to the radio without having your senses routinely assaulted. This makes it difficult to concentrate on any one thing, and as a result, the populace tends to get tired of products at a much faster pace, and has begun to expect instant replacements that are more exciting.

    I think these things come and go in cycles. Right now we're in a depression when it comes to things like quality, social consciousness, creativity and the product forms that represent the latest advances in these areas. There are always exceptions, like the iPod which is compensating for the lack of good music by enabling new generations to discover older, better-crafted music. I see much of the new technology ending up exposing people to a more "golden age" of music/media where people subscribed to bands and albums instead of formulaic, over-produced singles.

    Perhaps we'll see younger kids getting into more 60s music... that was about the last time an artist that could write an anti-war song and get any airplay. Maybe when corporate america sees the money they're losing by "playing it safe" with their "art" they might start giving interesting, inciteful artists a chance to share the spotlight with the current crop of plastic automatons.

    1. Re:ADD'ing of America by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, you're right. Singles didn't exist before August 1, 1981. The Beatles and Elvis never released 45s.

      Please, take off your rose-colored glasses. The past, viewed from the present, is always a "golden age" and the present always sucks. (Except for when the recent past is "the low point of X" and the present is "the beginning of a new era of greatness.") There were countless "schlock rock" bands back then. Not everyone was the Rolling Stones and Greatful Dead. You remember them because they were good, not because they came from an era when everything was great. What, you think Starship and Hendrix were the only people who made albums in the 60s?

      It is the default mode of history for the greatness of an era to be what everyone remembers. It is the flaw of amateur historians to think that the great stuff that lasts is representative of the era.

      You think the present sucks because you are here to experience it all and you're hearing everything, the good and the bad. You think the past was great because you turn on the oldies station and all you hear is good music. There's a reason you only hear the same few hundred songs on the oldies station. Do you think the whole country only produced 1 song per week from 1954 to 1973?

      PS: formulaic, over-produced singles are not new, either.

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    2. Re:ADD'ing of America by mabu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't put words in my mouth. I never said singles didn't exist in the past. I also never said there was no exploitation or over-produced music in the past either.

      However, I don't have my head up my ass and am not an apologist for the obnoxious corporate media consolidation that is increasing at a rapid pace. And yes there were "music mafia" in the past, but the market was not sewn up like it is now. There IS a difference. An artist like Bob Dylan WOULD HAVE NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER OF GETTING AIRPLAY TODAY. If you disagree, it is you who is wearing rose-colored glasses.

  15. The music of today by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've read a couple of comments saying negative things about "the music of today" and such.

    Stop!

    Don't you understand that this is exactly what your parents thought of your music? And their parents before them? And so forth?

    You're getting old, buddy.
    Too old to just listen to the music.
    Too old to enjoy music.

    I'm not a big fan or R&B and rap, but once in a while a good track comes along and I will enjoy that track.
    Wouldn't it be a shame of you would deprive yourself of the vast richness that is music, just because you don't want to keep an open mind to what is out there?
    You're missing out on a lot of great music just because you're stuck to a nostalgic notion of what music should be like.

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    1. Re:The music of today by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, there's some good stuff out there.
      Don't forget there's also a lot of amazing music from the past. Kids today don't always get to hear that music, i mean they won't show it on MTV.

      You say new R&B and rap might be worth a listen sometimes, i say listen to oldskool Soul Sonic Force, Diamond D, Grandmaster Flash as well. Green Day and Limp Bizkit are among the popular bands now, but kids don't hear Dead Kennedies or Bad Religion much on their MTV.

      I'm getting old, and of course i look back a say that the music was so good and all that. And i don't appreciate all the 'new' music of today, but i'm not too old to just listen to the music or enjoy it.

      There's nothing wrong with liking music from > 20 years ago, just make sure you don't unplug from music that's out now so you are able to experience and enjoy new things

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    2. Re:The music of today by John+Miles · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't you understand that this is exactly what your parents thought of your music? And their parents before them? And so forth?

      Sure, I think everyone understands that at some level.

      The difference is, my parents didn't start to think contemporary music sucked in their twenties. The RIAA has turned the "generation gap" into a 30-day grace period.

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  16. I don't think so... by jpop32 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do you think the traditional music album is dying out because of advances in technology?

    Nope. As long as artists that have something substantial to say exist, there will be albums.

    If one's only source of new music is MTV and crap like that, one may think that the albums are a thing of the past. But, that's about the same as eating only in McDonald's and thinking that traditional gourmet cuisine is dying out.

    Market for music is much, much bigger than Top40. In fact, if anything, advances in technology, enabling the Long Tail phenomenon (http://www.thelongtail.com/) will do just the opposite. When everyone can trivially access every bit of music ever recorded, albums will have a much easier time finding an audience.

    Sure, some forms of music will never be strong on albums (dance, club oriented music), but again, they don't represent the majority of music out there.

  17. only for shitty music by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The death of the album may be real, but only for pop chart targeted music. The fact is, most artists making the pop charts suck and do nothing but regurgitate the same old crap, and have a "hit" when they get the "formula" right.

    What I'm talking about is the "music" that can be tested with that silly audio analysis program Slashdot had a story about several weeks ago.

    But is the album dead? Of course not. To most artists, a single track by itself is only part of a whole, not a standalone work of art.

    There's plenty of good music out there, you just have to look for it. Don't let them shove the top 40 down your throats.

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  18. Endless, Circular Argument by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an endless circular argument. The "Death of the Album" has been talked about for the past fifteen years at least, and it doesn't happen.

    Even if you look at Billboard's Top 200 chart you're going to see a lot of, well, albums.

    If anything, I would imagine the re-birth of the album. As single tracks are easier to get and download (and not pay $7 for a CDS with four tracks), artists will focus on the album.

    But we'll have the same mix we've always had. About twenty percent of good and great stuff, twenty percent of really awful stuff, and sixty percent of material that might have a good song or two but is ultimately forgettable.

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  19. Yes and no by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It depends what you mean by album.

    In my rather outdated way of thinking, I consider CDs and downloadable songs to be different from albums. I consider a real album to be an LP or two or four with a cardboard jacket that may or may not fold out. Those were definitely works of art, especially those from the psychadelic era, and you could spend hours looking at them even sober.

    ... and for good or bad, those works of art are definitely gone. Look at the printing quality for graphics on the CD inserts, they're not better than a cheap newspaper. And when was the last time (or the first for that matter) you saw a fold out or a hologram or other amusement on a CD insert? Some of them don't even provide textual info regarding when and where the recordings were made and who is playing.

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  20. Not Really Dying by MarkedMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All things in life are cyclical. When I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, singles were king. There were a number of bands who had hit singles who had either no album or albums with abysmal sales. Radio stations needed singles as that's what they were set up to play. I have a bunch of singles not generally released, but for use by DJ's to promote an album. Along came the AOR (Album Oriented Rock) stations as the audience matured, and album sales picked up substantially. These stations might not have had more listeners than the singles stations, but they had substantially more young adult (read: high disposable income) listeners. They were profitable, and their standard setup was two cueing turntables set up for LP's. It was a pain to play a 45, so it didn't get done very often. Finally came the CD and the transition was complete.

    Now we are coming back to the single. At the same time, I expect we'll start to see groups' entire collections released on a single disk (DVD or other). No amazing prediction here, as boxed sets have been a fairly lucrative sub-market for 10 or 15 years now.

    As a piece of complete trivia, those boxed sets of CD's harken back to the original "albums" which were collections of 78's stored in what looked like a photo album, with paper sleeves instead of pages. 78's could only store roughly what a 1950's era 45 could, so a symphony, for example, came in an "album" of as many as 20 78's. The term ended up referring to any collection of music, even if it was on a single disk. But by now, I rarely hear anyone under twenty-five refer to an album, probably because they associate it with vinyl,not music collections...

  21. It's all about the live act now... by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Bands" that can't put on a decent live show aren't real bands anyway. If you can play live well, there will always be opportunities for you. recorded music is just going to become an advert for live performances.

    1. Re:It's all about the live act now... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Bands" that can't put on a decent live show aren't real bands anyway

      The term 'band' is not the be and end all of music, even of popular music. Some concepts do not translate well into a live scenario.

      Mike Oldfield, for instance. On Tubular Bells, he played each and every instrument, layered on the album. Cannot be duplicated live. Unless he grows a couple of dozen extra arms.

  22. "Is X dead/dying?" questions... by bscott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not ask: SHOULD the album be dead? The march of technology produces new devides, formats and gadgetry while message boards, newspapers and water-cooler chats decry the death of one thing or another. Progress does not do this because it ceases to like the old; it simply produces improvements, and the ones which people at large decide represent something "better" survive and flourish.

    I don't know much about music, but to me the arguments sound a lot like "is the floppy disk dead?" - well, arguably it is. Do any of us want it back? Game and application manufacturers used to be constrained by the storage capacity of disks, and often came up with ingenius optimizations (or were forced to leave out unnecessary frills) to do so. They don't have to do that any more. The value of the results of this I leave as an exercise to the reader, but I would still not go back to having floppies as my only option.

    If musicians could tell a story with the selection of songs on the album as a whole, it was because their talent allowed them to find a means of expressing their thoughts which fit within the boundaries of the medium - an ~hourlong LP that you had to flip over halfway through. I bet those same artists can and will find entirely new means of expression to fit within the boundaries of today, and tomorrow.

    You can still buy a spinning wheel if you want to process your own wool. The fact that the vast majority of people in this country prefer not to doesn't mean that we, as a society, have "lost" the spinning wheel.

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  23. Or *DOES* she?!??! by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I refer you to the ongoing research article on the subject.

    http://www.liquidgeneration.com/poptoons/britneys_ breasts.asp

    It is anything but conclusive.