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How GPS Is Killing Lighthouses

sakshale writes "Spiegel Online has an article about the impact of GPS systems on Lighthouses. They claim that the popularity of the satellite-based global positioning system has led to the closure of lighthouses along the German coast." As the article says, "critics question whether the new system is reliable and safe enough to warrant the closure of these historical beacons of safety."

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  1. That is until we shut them off... by Art+Pollard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One thing that must be kept in mind when dealing with GPS systems is that they were developed by the United States military. They are of course, a significant part of the reason why the U.S. can bomb a bunker in Baghdad without having to carpet bomb the entire area (and all the civilians).

    As such, the U.S. military can turn off the satelites or scramble their signal whenever it deems appropriate. So, before our friends the Germans decide to become overly dependant on U.S. technology, they ought to ensure that the world is a stable place otherwise they may find themselves hung out to dry on the reef.

  2. like old business models by serano · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lighthouses are like the RIAA. The conditions that allowed them to flourish have changed, leaving them superfluous. At least in one way, lighthouses have an advantage over the RIAA; they are charming and endearing to many people, and they provide nostaligic pleasure. No one will miss the RIAA.

    1. Re:like old business models by barc0001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Everyone here seems to get it wrong. We went through the same thing over the last few years on the west coast of Canada over closing up lighthouses, replacing them with automatic beacons. A lot of them are starting to be opened again and staffed by humans. Why?

      Everyone thinks a lighthouse just sits there and looks bright in the darkness. The ones on the west coast here:

      - radio in weather reports from their stations
      - test the water for pollution and temperature
      - test salinity of the water at high and low tides
      - send in visibility reports
      - assist passing boaters with information via radio.
      - assist boaters who know where they are already (thanks to those GPSs) but also know they're in trouble.

      Last week I saw a thing on TV on the daily schedule of a lighthouse up in northwest BC. Did you know the lighthouse keepers' day starts at 3AM with the first readings and goes until 10 PM? Which is usually why it's either a family or at least 2 people staffing them.

      GPS units can help you avoid troubles just fine, but if you're already in a situation, it can't do more than tell you where you are. A lighthouse can coordinate assistance efforts on your behalf, and if you're close enough, may be able to either guide you in, or come get you in their launch.

    2. Re:like old business models by eh2o · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The large optics and high maintenance costs are a thing of the past. Modern lighthouse fixtures, which can sometimes be found bolted on the outside of historic lighthouses, are very compact (e.g. the one at point arena is only 40 pounds), efficient, and have better visibility to boot.

  3. We still have paper around... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think most people prefer to have an analog backup of some sort, especially when safety is concerned. We still don't trust our digital resources, so why should we rely on them wholly in navigation?

  4. Re:Old news by Eryq · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if we can combine the old and new worlds... e.g., turn all the obsolete lighthouses into cell towers...

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  5. as if galileo would be any better... by slew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe they'll get less opposition to closing light houses if they forced german ships to use the new EU galileo system instead of GPS.

    On the other hand, if this happens, perhaps the lighthouse preservation lobby will force the EU government to cancel Galileo to save historic lighthouses. Stranger things have happened in Europe...

  6. Re:Old news by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And just how well does that shoal show up on radar anyway?

    KFG

  7. WTF = Where TF?! by steve_vmwx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ocean Navigator carried an article a few years ago about how the number of people "lost at sea" reported by the US Coast Guard had *increased* since GPS was invented!

    The typical response to was "the batteries went flat...". Hmmmm. Point taken re postage stamps and email but this is a lives-at-stake situation.

    BTW, this is also why the US Navy still teaches celestial navigation and morse code.

    Stevo

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  8. Re:By falling out of the sky! by nate+nice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    3 meters? Are you kidding me? I did survey last summer and we used GPS. With a triangulated system we could be accurate to withen 1/100 of a 10th. That's apx. 1 mm! And trust me, we had to be sometimes. GPS is great stuff. Finally math books can spew out real world examples of geometry (mainly trig, subset of geometry anyways) that the students might use one day.

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  9. As a boater I can tell you by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lighthouses have been obsolete since radar came to be. GPS is hardly the starting point for this.

    As a boater I can tell you that neither radar nor GPS makes lighthouses obsolete. Nor did LORAN before them.

    Sure, if you've got it and its working you can tell where you are. Within a football field if selective-availability is on, much better if it's off.

    And the big commercial ships have them and they're usually working.

    And the small commercial ships in well-to-do countries (like fishing boats for instance) may have them and they may be working.

    And the more well-to-do pleasure-boaters may have them and they may be working.

    But there are a LOT of boats out there that DON'T have them. The BULK of them, if you're talking numbers.

    Fishermen may not have them - and may have other things to deal with than watching a screen. Most pleasure boats are small fry, not millionaires' giant toys. (A small ocean-capable cruising sailboat, for instance, may be considerably less expensive than an RV of a similar size.)

    Even if they have them, any bets whether they're working when you're coming in after a month at sea, two years after they were purchased? Salt spray is HELL on electronics, and gets into everything.

    And even when they do have them, and they are operating, a boater may think he's far out to sea when he's actually almost onto a hidden hazard, and not be looking. (A lighted nav marker, among other things, is the idiot-light of boating.)

    Saying GPS obsoletes lighthouses is like saying GPS-based navigation systems for cars obsolete stop signs, curve signs, and the blinking lights associated with them.

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    1. Re:As a boater I can tell you by MoonChildCY · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am not sure about this, but the lighthouse could be very useful in a GPS system.

      Out-of-the-box GPS has horrible accuracy for travelling into dangerous waters. But if there is a differential GPS correction set up on the lighthouse, then the accuracy will drop down to centimeters (cm). And a lighthouse would be the perfect place to set this up. Clear view of the sky, no buildings obstructing it, on the edge of land (as close as you can get on a boat) and already located in areas that need great accuracy.

      Obsolete in the older sense of beaming visible light, quite useful in beaming corrections to a GPS unit (if equiped to receive them).

  10. Re:Lighthouses are still valuable... by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In fact the only lighthouse in the United States that is still manned and maintained by the government (the United States Coast Guard) is Boston Harbor Light. It was the first lighthouse in the nation, which is why the government has agreed to keep it manned while all the others maintained by the USCG are automated.

  11. psuedolites by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... or more relevant... pseudolites. These are pseudo GPS satellites that can be used to add more "satellites" to the GPS solution.

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  12. Sure, buddy. by nsaneinside · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Somehow, I doubt you were filled with brains to preserve your intelligence.
    I find two (out of two) things wrong with your statement. One: Egyptian pyramids were pathways to the heavens for, and monuments to, the pharoahs who were buried in them. They were not in any way related to lighthouses. Two: Last I checked, the Egyptian pyramids date back, oh, several thousand years or so. The first GPS satellite was launched in 1978.

  13. Re:Old news by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some form of light is still an advantage in storms where GPS is either un available or too hard to compare to a chart of the area. Lighthoses and buoies are still the best way to go for the smaller boats.

    You're assuming anyone cares about small sailboats crashing on the shore, or running aground. By your logic, we should cover national parks with floodlights so the random hiker has a safer journey. If a tanker crashes into the coast or runs aground, that's a big deal. If a small sailboat is lost, that's a personal tragedy. At some point people have to take personal responsibility for their actions and the situations they place themselves in. Am I an insensitive clod? Yes. Yes I am.

  14. Redundancy by rnturn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I once worked with a bunch of pilots when GPS was still in its infancy. I never heard any of them, nor have I heard of any to this day, ever say they were interested in, say, getting rid of their VOR receiver once they ever put a GPS receiver in their plane. Why make mariners navigate without a backup system? I can't imagine that they're in favor of this. Can't imagine the companies that offer insurance are crazy about eliminating the lighthouse system either.

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  15. Lighthouses will stand the test of time ;) by Kaldaien · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I gave a lot of thought to this while I was in Cape Cod last Fall...

    They paid a few million dollars to relocate highland lighthouse hundreds of feet because of beach erosion in 1997. Admittedly anyone who sails around highland (Cape Cod) lighthouse is well aware of that spot and GPS does a far better job than that lighthouse... But the historical significance outweighed the price.

    GPS is more accurate and any vessel that uses it for navigation darn well better have a fail-safe. I don't think reliability is going to be too big a concern...

    Light houses will likely stay in operation purely for the atmosphere in the future. The new bulbs are extremely high efficiency and cost of operation is minimal, it's relocating the darn things because of beach erosion that might do them in... At that point it probably becomes a publicly funded situation, with local residents pitching to save their historic landmarks rather than tax dollars.

    I for one would pay to keep them in operation, you really have to experience a night in Cape Cod to understand :)

  16. Re:In Other News by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Exactly. I send out Christmas cards every year precisely because its a pain in the ass to use physical mail. Sending someone an email takes about two seconds to put them on the list if you have their address, maybe a minute to Google them if you don't. It doesn't exactly bowl you over when someone spent two seconds putting you on a mailing list of 300.

    I go through the commotion of getting my envelopes, figuring out postage, signing all the cards, and I make my own cards (you can print on Bristol board, heavy drawing paper or cardstock using a conventional inkjet) which can take a while. This occupies a significant portion of my Christmas vacation but I figure it's worth it. Printing an email and hanging it on the fridge just isn't the same.

  17. Re:Galileo by slimak · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Those "kind" of people are ALMOST as bad as the type that rant and rave about the type of software someone uses on their personal computer.

    I find it intertesting how these people that go on suicide missions are generally considered crazy. To me, they seem more passionate about a belief. Lots of people say they would do anything for something they believe it. The difference is the people blowing themselves up mean it. While I do not agree with their tactics, or even their believes in most cases, its hard not to admire their conviction -- as long as its from a safe distance.