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How GPS Is Killing Lighthouses

sakshale writes "Spiegel Online has an article about the impact of GPS systems on Lighthouses. They claim that the popularity of the satellite-based global positioning system has led to the closure of lighthouses along the German coast." As the article says, "critics question whether the new system is reliable and safe enough to warrant the closure of these historical beacons of safety."

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  1. Run by US Gov't? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't GPS run by the United States government? Are other countries sure it's a good idea to be relying on that?

  2. Old news by IBeatUpNerds · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lighthouses have been obsolete since radar came to be. GPS is hardly the starting point for this. At any rate, I'm a fan of lighthouse preservation efforts as I think they're a very interesting part of our evolution of navagational technology, and, in some cases, quite beautiful. Lighthouses have been pretty well obsolete for 40 years.

    1. Re:Old news by SimonInOz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've never sailed a small boat, have you? Lighthouses are wonderful. There is nothing so bad as your vessel being beaten against a rocky shore ... except, perhaps, not being sure what continent that rocky shore belongs to ...

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    2. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seeing the shoreline is not the problem. Knowing exactly where you are is, at least in bad weather, and then you don't know if you're near or in shallow water (no sonar/radar in small boats). Lighthouses mark dangerous points and can be seen even in heavy storms, when the unilluminated coastline blurs until you practically hit it.

      There have been GPS outages which resulted in hours of whacky readings (thousands of miles off). Lighthouses can fail too, but they're another layer of security.

    3. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So you advocate destroying a system that has been in place for centuries, because you don't give a shit? There's a complete difference between creating something new (like your system of floodlights), and keeping a light thats been running for decades lit.

      Can't wait for your cruise ship to run aground in the dark after its winxp control system goes on the fritz and crashes the automatic navigation.

    4. Re:Old news by RWerp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, but the public has been running navigation systems for centuries. You can tax boat owners, if you don't like the idea that YOUR taxes are being spent on that. That would be a fair deal.

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    5. Re:Old news by keldog728 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      light houses not only let you know where the coast line is, but often where submerged rocks are, which would not show up on radar. An example is the Duxbury Pier light in Plymouth Harbor (MA). While the rocks the light warns boaters from are clearly visible during low tides, at high tides they are completely submerged. The light marks the entrance into three different channels in Cape Cod Bay, and without this light there would be daily accidents.

    6. Re:Old news by EvanED · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are ignoring the fact that it takes resources to keep the lighthouses running. Electricity costs, maintainance, and if there's someone still manning it, their salary.

      Not saying we should get rid of them, far from it, just that it isn't free to keep going.

    7. Re:Old news by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lighthouses don't light up the whole coast. They'd be more like trail markers and signposts, which they *do* have in national parks. Just like with hiking, navigating with a chart and compass is something every sailor *should* know how to do. GPS should really be tconsidered a convenience, not a necessity.

    8. Re:Old news by hachete · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I grant you that radar and GPS have de-emphasised certain parts of navigation and booted out sextants and other radio-based systems like RDF, Loran altogether. Sextant sightings are now treated as an emergency measure, visual sightings by compass are still very useful. Lighthouses play an important role in the navigation environment.

      Radar - good for night navigation and bad weather - only gives you a partial picture and sometimes a less than accurate one - the plan - and sometimes that can be misleading. Nothing better than a lighthouse to truly *fix* your position because it encodes it's identity into light. By the same token, that's why ships still have navigation lights.

      A 3-point fix using compass bearings off of lighthouses and buoys is still the best way to fix your positions. Radar bearings are nowhere near as accurate, and far more prone to the "cocked-hat" problem. The same with Loran.

      At anchor, taking compass bearings off of well-known points is still the best way to see if you're dragging anchor.

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  3. Why take them out? by chrispyman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although the lighthouses really aren't needed, do they really cost so much for upkeep to where it's not cost effective to keep the system running as a backup? I would imagine that it would be very nice to still have lighthouses should a ship suddenly find its GPS no longer working.

  4. Lighthouses are still valuable... by aquarian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...as tourist attractions. In fact the actual light and other equipment has been automated for years. Many navigational beacons are solar powered, and almost maintenance free.

  5. Levels of protection by DaveRobb · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I get the feeling from reading this article that this while this quote:

    Though the 15 lighthouses on the North Sea cost German taxpayers about 400,000 a year to operate, money alone should not be a reason for shutting them down.

    says money isn't the only reason, the shipping companies and possibly governments have no reason other than money to want to see them gone.

    And for what? 400k euro/year? Granted, that's only for 15 lighthouses, but that's peanuts compared to what is spent on other things.

    I wonder what a supertanker spill would cost to clean up, after there's a power failure onboard and the GPS nav systems are offline, and there aren't any lighthouses to use as backups.
  6. Question FTA by riptide_dot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTA: "For one thing, GPS can never be 100 percent reliable -- extreme weather conditions like hail or snowfall or even solar winds are known to disrupt service."

    I'm just wondering - couldn't those same factors affect a captain's visibility to a lighthouse?

    I don't think that all lighthouses are in immediate danger of closure. This from the The National Lighthouse museum:

    "With all of the advances made in electronic navigation over the last half century, the use of lighthouses as aids to navigation has certainly waned. The Global Positioning System (GPS), in particular, has transformed the art of navigation to electronic methods. Lighthouses are still used by ships as a back up to their satellite navigation aids, however, and they are used by small boats that aren't equipped with the necessary navigational electronics. Some lighthouses, which are used as range lights are still as important today as they ever were."

    The Staten Island Lighthouse, for example, is the rear range light for the Ambrose Channel Range, the primary deep-draft channel into New York Harbor, and remains of vital importance to New York marine traffic."


    Here's an ironic twist too: Using a GPS to find a lighthouse.

    And: The GPS coordinates of many lighthouses.

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  7. Lighthouses will never be replaced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    After being a quartermaster in the US Navy and navigating a large ship through some particular odd parts of the world where the GPS saturation is not enough to use, so that it is as reliable enough to pinpoint within a meter, I can say that lighthouse triangulation is way more accurate, and electronics will eventually fail. The Navy still uses sextants just incase all power is lost and there is no land available.

  8. All your eggs in one basket... by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One word:

    Fallback.

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  9. Re:The Lighthouse Joke by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Lighthouses have a number of uses. Manned lighthouses provide local emergency services. If your boat sinks, a lighthouse will indicate the general direction of the shore (very useful when your GPS is 50 feet underwater). Also, of course, useful when your GPS has died all of a sudden.

    This reminds me of the parable:

    Acolyte: Father, what is the difference between knowledge and faith?
    Priest: Knowledge is like the Sun. Faith is like a candle.
    Acolyte: But I thought that faith was more important than knowledge. How can that be, the Sun is far brighter than any candle!
    Priest: Come back and ask me again at midnight.
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  10. Re:By falling out of the sky! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please elaborate on how you did this. Because results like this are practically unheard of.

    What ephemeredes were you using (an what models did they use)? How many states was your kalman filter? What antenna technology were you using? What were you multipath correction algorithms? How long were you collects? Any DGPS source? What were your atmospherics? What about you clock drift corrections?

    Was this a static or dynamic location?

    Even if you know the position of you ground station down to that level, it is nearly impossible to converge a solution using any GPS source using traditional filtering techniques (that is unless you weight the known position to 100% I mean, changes of the antenna temperature and the density of the troposphere due to humidity can cause errors of a centimeter.

    Please elaborate. If you can tell us how you did this, you'll have a wonderful, cushy job at the IGS (http://igscb.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html) for the rest of your life...

  11. Please momma, can't I feed the troll? Puleeze??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ah yes, the old "personal responsibility" excuse... Tell you what: I'll be personally responsible for my course corrections; if you'll be personally responsible for the weather, wind, current shifts and any of a dozen other unforeseen events that delay my sailboat an hour past expected arrival with sunlight? What, you can't be personally responsible for such events of nature that are beyond perfectly accurate prediction according to chaos theory?

    Think of actual circumstances before you foist this "enlightened" crap on people, whom I'll wager, have spent more time boating than you have.

    here endeth my rant.

  12. Re:In Other News by elambi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How much do you like getting one of those email greeting cards? It's a really big thrill isn't it?

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  13. Re:WTF = Where TF?! by jagapen · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Smart people have backups.
    And those backups are called lighthouses.
  14. Candles by like.narly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know about you guys, but I keep candels in my drawer for when my light bulbs go out.
    Light houses might just be a good thing to keep around.

  15. Re:By falling out of the sky! by Dzerzhinski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Exactly. My dad is a sailor/shipwright, and I remember an example he gave me when commercial GPS was still really new. His ship was docked when he happened to check the GPS (I think he was in either Sydney or Christchurch NZ). The GPS showed the boat was sitting on land in the middle of one of the big streets that ran beside the pier, a few hundred meters from the actual location. The GPS turned out to be far more accurate than the charts. This is getting to be less and less of a problem as cartographers use GPS to update their maps, and admittedly the error was still small enough that it wouldn't be a problem in most situations. But, again, your GPS is only as good as its maps, and cartographers are only human. Also, my dad later ran a marine electronics shop in Seattle. That's a whole other can of beans. After helping my dad try to fix GPS/radar/other navigation systems and seeing just how screwed up they can get, I would highly recommend that all aspiring sailors learn how to use the sextants in their emergency kits.

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