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Does the Octopus Hold the Key To Robot Design?

balancedi writes "Simultaneously controling 8 jointless arms without getting them all tangled up is a neat trick that octopuses do with ease. According to a National Geographic article several researchers from around the world think understanding the octopus holds to key to the optimal robot design."

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  1. True Story: by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Octopuses have intrigued scientists for years, because they have both long- and short-term memory, they remember solutions to problems, and they can go on to solve the same or similar problems. They have been known to climb aboard fishing boats and open holds in search of crabs. They can figure out mazes, open jars, and break out of their aquariums in search of food.

    This part of the linked article rang very true for me.

    True story:

    Octopus are underrated. Seriously. I used to have an (Octopus bimaculoides) as a pet (her name was Cephus, short for Cephalopod) and I was always amazed at the intelligence and problem solving abilities she exhibited. One day I was returning from working all night at the sleep lab followed by a day of class. I had a new bag of goldfish to feed her and placed them in the "goldfish tank" across the table from her 100gal aquarium. She always got excited at that and would hang on the side of her tank and look at the goldfish. At any rate, I got a couple hours of sleep and then ran back to work for another all night shift. Upon stumbling back home the next day, I was stunned to find no goldfish in the goldfish tank! I did not know if I was just seriously sleep deprived or what, but closer inspection revealed goldfish scales floating around in Cephus's tank........and a trail of dried salt water on the table top from her tank to the goldfish tank. She had opened the top of her tank, navigated across the table to the goldfish tank, helped herself to every last goldfish in the goldfish tank and then crawled back home, closing the top of her tank! All I could do was stare in dumbfounded amazement.

    She also exhibited curiosity with new objects placed into her tank, exploring them extensively, and I must admit, it is most interesting in that unlike other aquatic non mammalians.....when you looked into an octopus eye, they look back at you. There is something absolutely intelligent behind those eyes.

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    1. Re:True Story: by mboverload · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Ever seen one of those nature specials? Jesus, they REALLY make you appriciate the abilities of those things. They can squeeze though like 3 inch diameter tubes to get to food, can climb out of a tank to get food, and just solve lots of problems.

      I agree, probably one of the most underrated animals.

    2. Re:True Story: by avandesande · · Score: 4, Informative

      caring for a salt water animal of any kind is a serious and expensive undertaking.

      Also octopus only live a year so they aren't the best pets if you grow attached.

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    3. Re:True Story: by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you don't mind me asking, what happened to 'Cephus'? you speak of her in the past tense.

      She died of old age. When I got her, I had found her on my SCUBA tank after we had returned home. She was soooo tiny (about the size of my thumbnail), and we were miles away from the ocean by that time. I did not want her to die, so we mixed up some artificial sea water and I carried her home to place her in a 100gal aquarium I had. Fed her with feeder goldfish, but clams and crabs purchased from the local pet store was what she really enjoyed. She lived about two years (which is very good for an octopus), grew to about 13 inches and finally died from old age.

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    4. Re:True Story: by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some times I drive it around town. I get pulled over a lot, but I think it's worth not having to worry about traffic.

    5. Re:True Story: by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 5, Interesting

      She also exhibited curiosity with new objects placed into her tank, exploring them extensively, and I must admit, it is most interesting in that unlike other aquatic non mammalians.....when you looked into an octopus eye, they look back at you. There is something absolutely intelligent behind those eyes.

      They say the large octopus has an intelligence equivalent to a housecat. Perhaps we don't relate to the intelligence of these creatures (ie, find it surprising when they demonstrate intelligent behavior) because we don't interact with them on a daily basis. I never think twice about the intelligence of my cats because they're so common. I'll tell you, though... I started thinking twice about eating "grilled octopus" at the local restaurant after finding out just how smart they are.

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    6. Re:True Story: by vasqzr · · Score: 4, Interesting


      Here's a video of an octopus attacking a crab

    7. Re:True Story: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just drop a Rubik's cube in there with it. That should keep it entertained.

    8. Re:True Story: by BWJones · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did Cephus show any signs of being able to identify you personally?

      Yes. She would change color when I came into the room or house and would always move to the top of the tank. I could reach into the tank and she would reach out and grab my fingers/hand. When others would enter the room, she often hid.

      I think the real reason I'm asking is that you seem to hold Cephus in really high regard.

      It was an educational experience that I will never forget. I've seen sharks and other fish in the ocean, and with the exception of dolphins, whales, seals, and the octopus, I've never seen signs of intelligence. The other aspect of the octopus is that they are so otherworldly in appearance and behavior. Changing colors/textures, curiosity, excellent vision, preferences for things they like and dislike..... It is as close as most of us will ever come to meeting an alien.

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    9. Re:True Story: by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Better yet, drop four of them in.

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  2. Real question by savagedome · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does the Octopus Hold the Key To Robot Design

    Even deeper question is, in which arm?

  3. I'm no ichthyologist by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 4, Funny

    But I'm more inclined to think that these guys probably have a lot more interesting robotics applications than octopusii do.

    Unless they think that making robots taste delicious is the secret to robot movement. Mmm... octopod

  4. Of course, this is old news... to Spiderman 2 fans by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doc Oc has known this for decades. ...in other news, Robotics Scientists often fall asleep during Spiderman movies and have epiphanies in the mornings following.

    My prediction: Slashdot article in the near future about the possibility of armored soldiers riding anti-gravity sleds pumped up with performance-enhancing drugs.

  5. Next In the News by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    She had opened the top of her tank, navigated across the table to the goldfish tank, helped herself to every last goldfish in the goldfish tank and then crawled back home, closing the top of her tank! All I could do was stare in dumbfounded amazement.

    Next in the news:

    IT Jobs Outsourced to Octopii
    She also exhibited curiosity with new objects placed into her tank, exploring them extensively,

    Typical geek behaviour. Good thing I'm already used to eating seaweed...

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  6. So, make slimy and slippery robots. Got it. by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The fact that an octopus doesn't get tangled up is probably related to the fact that the arms are (1) smooth, (2) pliable, (3) slippery, (4) oiled/lubricated, (5) immersed in a fluid. The way the arm tapers from large to small probably has some value here, too.

    What do you think hair conditioner does? It mostly lubricates the hair strands so it won't get traction and kink up onto other strands.

    Are we going to build tentacle robots that are oozing oil along their smooth plasticene actuators? I think I've seen a few Japanese cartoons along this motif...

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  7. Octopus? Are they serious? by Xaroth · · Score: 5, Funny

    The octopus as an optimal robot design? Did none of them see The Matrix?!

    Somebody warn them before it's too late!

  8. Each creature has several 'brains' by gelfling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/09/09 07_octoarm.html

    In that the octopus has a brain hierarchy. The central brain sends a 'go get that food' command to a sub brain in the tentacle which executes commands in the completion of that goal on its own. The main brain doesn't have to think about controlling the mechanics of each arm.

  9. Urban myth amongst animal behavioural psychologist by OriginalArlen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have no idea whether it's true or not but... WTF, it's Friday :)

    A friend who is a throbbing-brained molecular biologist, with a PhD and everything :), told me this after too many pints of beer.

    He was told by the guy from the next lab over, at lunch, who'd heard it from someone in another lab at a party,...

    Some behavioural psychologists - I may have their precise taxonomic appellation incorrect - were planning an experiment with an octopus. They had a large maze, constructed of perspex. At one end was the octopus, at the other some food. The idea was just to time how long it took to navigate the maze and get to the food, which different routes it explored and so on. Well, they spent a long day setting everything up, getting the measuring fu in place and so forth. At the end of the day's work, the experiment was ready to run; they'd even connected the aquarium tank with a nice fresh octopus up to the maze equipment. The plan was to unlock the little hatch and give the octupus free access to the maze the following morning.

    So they come in bright and early the next day to find the food gone, the octopus fed, and the little hatchway re-locked from the inside...

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  10. Octi Movement by Red+Weasel · · Score: 5, Informative

    The coolest part about the Movement of Octopus is the fact that only the body desides where to go. It's up to the legs to figure out how they're going to get there.

    If you ever get down the the Aquarium of the Americas you can get a pretty good display of this. Just make sure you make it for one of the feeding times 'cause the feeders do all the classic Octopus tricks(fish in a bottle, fish in a tank, fish with mirrors, mazes, etc).

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  11. Political Correctness gone too far by michaelmalak · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the linked article:
    Indeed, with their bizarre (at least to humans) looks...
  12. Re: Does the Octopus Hold the Key To Robot Design? by lightspawn · · Score: 5, Funny

    It holds, like, 8 of them.

  13. Octopus Holds the Key to Robot Design? by spud603 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great!
    Now whack it over the head and take it from him. We've been looking for that.
    Damn octopi...

  14. All I can say is... by worst_name_ever · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the octopus hold the key to robot design? I think the more important question is: Does the octopus hold the key to totally awesome robot design?

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  15. Sounds like good management or OO encapsulation by BrettJB · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article:
    Earlier research funded by the U.S. Navy's Office of Naval Research (ONR) suggests that, to keep the arms from constantly tangling themselves up, each arm has an independent peripheral nervous system and neural circuitry (see related-story link below). This allows the brain to essentially give a command--"Arm Four, fetch that tasty crab crawling by"--and have the arm carry out the order without the brain thinking about it again.


    Sounds like good management to me. Management (the octopus) assigns a task to one of their reports (arms). Tell them what to do, but don't micromanage the task.

    Or, it sounds like encapsulation. Pass just enough information to the Arm object to communicate the task, and allow Arm's private methods handle the detals of how that task is accomplished.
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  16. Re:So, make slimy and slippery robots. Got it. by SLot · · Score: 5, Funny

    (1) smooth, (2) pliable, (3) slippery, (4) oiled/lubricated, (5) immersed in a fluid.

    That sounds a lot like the perfect date.

  17. The Tentacle by skeptictank · · Score: 4, Funny

    "If you had something--a person, say--floating in a water column or in space, a straight mechanical arm is likely to push it away," said Thomas McKenna, a project officer at the ONR. "But an arm you could use to gently wrap around an object and retrieve it, that would be useful." Also, they are real popular with doe-eyed, psuedo-asian, female superheros.

  18. Plural forms? by NEOtaku17 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lesson on the correct plural version of Octopus. Very interesting read.

  19. Mixed messages by saddino · · Score: 4, Funny

    After reading this startling bit from the article:

    Octopuses have intrigued scientists for years, because they have both long- and short-term memory, they remember solutions to problems, and they can go on to solve the same or similar problems. They have been known to climb aboard fishing boats and open holds in search of crabs. They can figure out mazes, open jars, and break out of their aquariums in search of food.

    It was a bit disheartening to see this "sponsored link" at the bottom of the article:

    A Seafood Delicacy: Order Octopus
    Gorton's Fresh Seafood delivers octopus - fully cleaned and freshly prepared. Delicious and mild in flavor - great boiled, stewed or grilled. Special packaging ensures freshness.


    Ah, the potential irony of keyword triggered ads!

  20. Re:I could be wrong... by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nope. The plural of pus is pedae, so if you want to be a pompous dick, you would say "octopedae" --

    But, since octopus is actually an English word (regardless of where we got it from -- we borrow words, not grammar structures), it takes the regular plural of all English words that end in an -s, -es.

    C'mon. Is the plural of sauna saunaa or saunat? A lot of our words come from other languages. If we have to adopt their pluarlization rules, that would be a nightmare laundry list of irregular plurals.

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  21. Pet an octopus by null+etc. · · Score: 4, Funny
    What's it like holding hands with an octopus?

    "It can be intimidating at first, because they wrap their arms pretty tight around you, and everything they latch onto is pretty much headed straight to their mouth"..."But once you get used to it, I can't describe it: They feel like wet velvet or wet silk."

    Sounds pretty obscene without the first sentence, doesn't it?