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College Students Turn Away From Landlines

prostoalex writes "You're as likely to find a landline in a college dorm as you're an old typewriter, according to this Washington Post article on MSNBC. While roughly 30% of college students had a cell phone 5 years ago, more than 90% have them today, resulting in student directories including out-of-state numbers instead of 4-digit extensions. More trivia on college students: 90% own a PC, 65% have broadband, 62% own a stereo system, 74% have a DVD player, 55% have a gaming system. What the Washington Post article also hints at, is possible tuition hikes due to the landlines dropped so quickly. "Six or seven years ago, telephones on campus were a cash cow," said Glenn Gaslin of Morrisville State College in New York."

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  1. Stupid business by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate businesses that assume that you will buy certain services from them because they deem them 'essential', and when all of a sudden you don't, they jack up the price of the services you still do buy from them...

    In this case, tuition will go up because they stop making money on landline sales??? How about my damned cable company (or phone company) that charges me an extra $10 a month because I just want a highspeed internet connection but don't want their cable offerings or long distance plan?

    How can they get away with this BS? It's like those computer stores that 'cash discount' their prices... Play on words to get around rules that prevent them from jacking up the price because you wanna pay by credit card...

    Aren't there laws against this sorta crap?

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    1. Re:Stupid business by Space_Soldier · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Stupid business indeed. However, the reason why they do get away with it is that consumers don't bitch at the Better Business Bureau or to their representatives. Charter Communications is known for this. Sometimes they do take it away from your bill if you are loud enough. Most times they don't, and the tech support will tell you that they do it because they can. They don't even hide. As for phones, mobile phones are more convenient. How much time do students stay in dorms besides sleeping and fucking?

    2. Re:Stupid business by timmyf2371 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I hate businesses that assume that you will buy certain services from them because they deem them 'essential', and when all of a sudden you don't, they jack up the price of the services you still do buy from them...

      In this case, tuition will go up because they stop making money on landline sales??? How about my damned cable company (or phone company) that charges me an extra $10 a month because I just want a highspeed internet connection but don't want their cable offerings or long distance plan?

      I'm not a business expert by any means, but as far as I understand the idea of business it is to have more income than your expenditure. If increasing prices are the only way of doing this, then so be it.

      How can they get away with this BS? It's like those computer stores that 'cash discount' their prices... Play on words to get around rules that prevent them from jacking up the price because you wanna pay by credit card...

      Credit card merchant services typically charge around 3% to process a credit card transaction, so retailers must build this cost into the final cost of the product they are selling. Would you prefer no cash discount is offered to customers who want to pay for a particular product using cash?

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    3. Re:Stupid business by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Seeing as the merchant agreement with the credit card company says you can't charge extra for a credit card transaction, and a "cash discount" is just a different way of doing the same thing, I know I would prefer no cash discounts. Most merchants play by the rules fairly; the rest should as well.

      What's fair about that? Why the hell should I have to pay a 3% "Visa Tax" for everything I buy if I pay cash? Why should I be forced by a couple of large organizations (Visa, Mastercard, etc) to buy their services bundled with every purchase I make, regardless of whether I use them? Cash discounts should be the norm, and frankly I think the agreement banning passing that cost on should be considered an illegal abuse of a monopoly position.

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  2. Technology evolves by Gareth+Saxby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As technology moves on, there's not a lot else to be expected really. The cheap and widespread availability of wireless communication means that more students will be inevitably taking the easier option; who wants to be tied down while making a phone call?

    To be frank, a change like this doesn't count as news, it's enevitable with evolving technology that things will change. This is just one of the many steps that are happening towards the much larger changes that are bound to come.

  3. Should have never been a cash cow by zotz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    '"Six or seven years ago, telephones on campus were a cash cow," said Glenn Gaslin of Morrisville State College in New York.'

    And here we see a basic problem. Trying to earn more than a fair return because you have monopoly power in a certain situation.

    They should never have been a cash cow in the first place, just a service provided to students with a modest rate of return.

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  4. Land Lines as a Cash Cow by Noksagt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What the Washington Post article also hints at, is possible tuition hikes due to the landlines dropped so quickly. "Six or seven years ago, telephones on campus were a cash cow,"
    As it is, they many universities still overcharge for land-lines. The department I worked in has begun cutting service from under-used department phones, including ones they installed in rooms to have phone conferences. They are also looking (only somewhat seriously) into ways to have grad students share phones across different offices.

    Why can't Universities run more programs at or near cost, rather than try to bilk as much money as possible out of people?
    1. Re:Land Lines as a Cash Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I can agree with this 100%. About two years ago my university assembled a Board of Trustees to govern the entire campus. Guess who the college administration invited to be on the board? Business empire owners. The CEO of Darden Resturants (owner of Olive Garden, Smokey Bones BBQ, Red Lobster, etc.) is on there. The Chairman of the Board is the man who managed Walt Disney's theme park empire for 30+ years.

      Now they're running the university as a for-profit business, cutting down on existing educational programs to fund new programs in partnerships with major businesses. The college has just partnered with Electronic Arts to open a digital media school so that EA can hire employees right out of the college. The board members decided we need a stadium, so he's trying to set up the stadium's location to trap people along a "main street" of retailers on-campus... just like Disneyland et al. The Darden CEO expects to bring his restaurants to campus and shut out existing small business owner restaurants on-campus. Money money money... they can smell it in the water. The students are just means to an end.

  5. Surprised? by LinuxHam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With most of the major carriers offering free minutes for calls between *any* of their customers (not just those on a family plan), is it any wonder that so many students are showing up with cellphones? I was expecting to see commentary about carriers linking up with campuses in advertising arrangements. I would expect Verizon and Cingular/AT&T to turn campuses into battlegrounds reminding everyone that all calls to any other user on their network is free all day, every day, encouraging the students to convince their friends to all use the same carrier.

    I remember using the community phone in the dorm hallway 16 years ago. I'm shocked that practice went on for another 11 years!!

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  6. Universities should work with Cell Provider by kfstark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not have students get a University sponsored cell-phone with a few special features:
    1. push-to-talk capability within Univ phones
    2. free instant messaging within Univ phones.
    3. Bluetooth and/or cable for internet access using the cell phone.
    4. Free calling to/from a student's home town.(this would need a DID in student's home area code)
    I'm sure there are more features that student's would love to have and be willing to pay for. Also, a cell phone company would love the contract to be the sole supplier to a college campus.
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  7. Re:What is the utility of this information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The utility is to educate people like you about the
    free market and its possible offerings.
    In USA there are regulations that keep the prices up.
    Many people want to regulate the market.
    We don't want that - We want freedom.
    Free to Choose :-)

  8. I'm dropping mine too... by Jigabug · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm not a college student, but I'll shortly be giving up my landline too.. Why? Cost. I'm paying about $30.00 CDN/mo for a landline, and about $50.00 CDN/mo for my wireless. I make/get maybe 10 calls each month on the landline, where the wireless is about 10-fold that. Most of my landline calls are just people trying it before they call my cell. Also, my cell has caller ID, voicemail, and call waiting, plus the ability to send/get text messages and e-mail. My landline can't do that.... or it can do some if I pay more money. I'll pass.

  9. Are we missing the real reason? by bigtallmofo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could the lack of landline phones in dorms be because of the busy life that college students live? Who has time to answer a landline phone in your own dorm room when you're getting drunk until 5 am and sleeping in a different person's bed every night?

    Beyond that, dorm rooms are for sleeping and you certainly don't want some annoying phone ringing when you're there.

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  10. devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    when almost every college has wired internet in every dorm, why would anybody pay for a campus phone? the only phone i'm planning on having next year is a $20 broadvoice plan, with unlimited calling in the US and any other country i might call.

    by comparison, verizon starts at $40 for 450 minutes, sprint starts at $35 for 300 minutes, cingular starts at $30 for 200 minutes - and that one doesn't even come with unlimited mobile-to-mobile or nights and weekends, and t-mobile, low-cost stalwart starts at $20 for 60 minutes, or $40 for the slightly less spartan 600 minutes.

    oh, and all of those plans charge for incoming minutes too.

    sure, having a broadvoice phone means that i can't use it outside my dorm room. (in practice, i could buy a wi-fi phone for $100 that would allow me to use it anywhere on campus, but i'll leave that aside for now.) but what's the disadvantage in walking down the street talking to actual people standing next to me, as opposed to irritating everyone else who has to hear one side of my conversation and missing out on any number of chances to meet new people?

  11. cell site == cash cow by just+someone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Universities have cell phone users
    cell phone users need cell sites
    cell phone companies pay money to let people house their cell sites.

    so cell sites generate cash. Only problem is that cash probably does not go into telecommunications, and that that cow is more of a calf.

  12. Re:That's great and all ... by daviddennis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll bet the humiliation coming from that experience is a lot more effective than any harangue.

    That's why he does it.

    D

  13. Re:It makes me wonder... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I spent a fortune in books in my first year.

    By the second year I'd wised up that:

    (a) most lecturers didn't even use the books, and those that did gave out photocopied notes.
    (b) for homework purposes the library had several copies
    (c) half the books were written or co-written by the lecturers an they were getting a cut.

    So for the second year I bought no books at all. Didn't miss them.

  14. Re:That's great and all ... by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've gotten the impression that in many other countries college/university students are treated like grade schoolers are treated here, shut up, pay attention and do as you're told at all times...

    Being a (soon to graduate) college student in the US, I can say that aside from one or two exceptions, I have never had a professor with that attitude. If you kept in mind that you're expected to practice some common courtesy, like stepping outside to take calls, and turning phones off during exams, things were just fine.

    Which countries/schools did you study in where you found it to be otherwise?

  15. Re:Don't forget the rest... by bnenning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My advice...stay away from credit cards except for absolute emergencies. Accepting a credit card these days is like shackling yourself and giving them the key.

    Or you can just pay off your balance every month, which means you don't pay interest, but do get some level of fraud protection and often cash back.

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  16. Fewer land lines = fewer cordless phones by FuturePastNow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And that means less interference with wireless networks.

    When I was a college student, my PC was my stereo, DVD player, and gaming system, and now it's my television as well. I've never tried VOIP, but it could be my phone someday, too.

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  17. Re:Stop the socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What competition?? I have exactly *one* choice if I want cable TV, or broadband internet. I can go w/ dial-up access, or satellite, but that isn't really the same thing as competition for cable, just like a private limosine (sp?) company is not really competition for a taxi service.

    Besides, the point is the government is already involved in this market. My tax $$ subsidized the building of the infrastructure these companies are now gouging me to use. I didn't volunteer this money, nor receive anything in exchange for it. The government took it from me, with the implied threat of harm if I refuse to give it, then gave this $$ to telecommunication companies w/o my permission or consent.

    In the US, there is plenty of socialism for CORPORATIONS, there is just very little government subsidization of private citizens.

  18. Re:90%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    For the full unshowered *nix treatment, I'd choose Berkeley before Cal Tech.