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College Students Turn Away From Landlines

prostoalex writes "You're as likely to find a landline in a college dorm as you're an old typewriter, according to this Washington Post article on MSNBC. While roughly 30% of college students had a cell phone 5 years ago, more than 90% have them today, resulting in student directories including out-of-state numbers instead of 4-digit extensions. More trivia on college students: 90% own a PC, 65% have broadband, 62% own a stereo system, 74% have a DVD player, 55% have a gaming system. What the Washington Post article also hints at, is possible tuition hikes due to the landlines dropped so quickly. "Six or seven years ago, telephones on campus were a cash cow," said Glenn Gaslin of Morrisville State College in New York."

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  1. 90%? by Omniscientist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have not met one person here (University of Minneapolis) who does not own a PC. I also have not met anyone else here who runs an OS other than Windows.

    1. Re:90%? by mshawatmit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thats interesting. I have not met one person here (MIT) who does not own at least two PCs. I've also not met anyone here who runs Windows.

  2. old news? by headisdead · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the UK, this has been the case for years. When I moved into Halls, there wasn't even a land-line phone available.

  3. Stupid business by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate businesses that assume that you will buy certain services from them because they deem them 'essential', and when all of a sudden you don't, they jack up the price of the services you still do buy from them...

    In this case, tuition will go up because they stop making money on landline sales??? How about my damned cable company (or phone company) that charges me an extra $10 a month because I just want a highspeed internet connection but don't want their cable offerings or long distance plan?

    How can they get away with this BS? It's like those computer stores that 'cash discount' their prices... Play on words to get around rules that prevent them from jacking up the price because you wanna pay by credit card...

    Aren't there laws against this sorta crap?

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    1. Re:Stupid business by timmyf2371 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I hate businesses that assume that you will buy certain services from them because they deem them 'essential', and when all of a sudden you don't, they jack up the price of the services you still do buy from them...

      In this case, tuition will go up because they stop making money on landline sales??? How about my damned cable company (or phone company) that charges me an extra $10 a month because I just want a highspeed internet connection but don't want their cable offerings or long distance plan?

      I'm not a business expert by any means, but as far as I understand the idea of business it is to have more income than your expenditure. If increasing prices are the only way of doing this, then so be it.

      How can they get away with this BS? It's like those computer stores that 'cash discount' their prices... Play on words to get around rules that prevent them from jacking up the price because you wanna pay by credit card...

      Credit card merchant services typically charge around 3% to process a credit card transaction, so retailers must build this cost into the final cost of the product they are selling. Would you prefer no cash discount is offered to customers who want to pay for a particular product using cash?

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    2. Re:Stupid business by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's like those computer stores that 'cash discount' their prices... Play on words to get around rules that prevent them from jacking up the price because you wanna pay by credit card...


      Those computer stores likely have to pay as much as $0.25 plus 5% of the purchase price as a fee to the credit card company. If they wanted to charge the same price for cash or credit, they're have to raise the price for cash purchases. Online computer sales from small vendors are lucky to have an 8-9% margin, so having to give away 5% to your credit card company would mean they wouldn't be able to stay in business.

      What you should actually be upset about is contracts that credit card companies force on merchants that prevent the merchant from passing on the savings to you when you pay with cash. It's not too long ago that you used to be able to get a 3-4% discount on gasoline if you paid with cash. Now you pay the higher price either way because the credit card company tells the gas station owner that he can't accept credit cards unless the price is the same cash or credit. The same goes for PayPal. Sellers aren't allowed to pass the PayPal fees on to the buyer... For fixed price items this means the price is higher wether you use PayPal or not.

      The situation is even worse with the new Debit Visa cards. The fees are higher for the merchant if the customer doesn't use their PIN than they are for regular Visa charges, but smaller merchants have no leverage to negotiate a contract that lowers those fees, and Visa won't allow the merchant to accept regular Visa cards but not Debit Visa cards. The merchant is also not allowed to charge you more to use the debit card as a credit card, so the merchant is forced to raise all of their prices or to eat the fee.

      It's the credit card companies that are evil... Not the stores that figure out a way to pass the savings on to you when you prevent them from paying credit card transaction fees.

  4. Welcome to the Undergraduate Experience by MacBorg · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm a freshman at BU and on a floor of 45 students, there is ONE landline (owned by a non-US student), everyone has computers - and a few of us have more than one. There is roughly a 5:1 windows to Mac ratio... although it's a little squewed because a couple of us have desktops and powerbooks. Everyone, unless they're non-US residents, has cell phones. Over 50% of us have iPods, use iTunes and share music. Yeah, we're hardware-laden students... and I love it!

  5. Technology evolves by Gareth+Saxby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As technology moves on, there's not a lot else to be expected really. The cheap and widespread availability of wireless communication means that more students will be inevitably taking the easier option; who wants to be tied down while making a phone call?

    To be frank, a change like this doesn't count as news, it's enevitable with evolving technology that things will change. This is just one of the many steps that are happening towards the much larger changes that are bound to come.

  6. That's great and all ... by jdwest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    except when one rings during my lecture.

    Never fails, despite warnings to the contrary. So I INSIST that they take the call -- right then, right there. I see a few others stealthily reaching into their backpacks to turn theirs off.

    I don't have any problems ... for the rest of the semester, at least.

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    1. Re:That's great and all ... by Carmody · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always want to take the phone and answer it - "This is so-and-so's professor. He is in class now."

      The reason I don't do it is because I'm afraid of "This is his dad. His *weep* his mother just *weep* passed away and we need him to *weep* come now to identify the... the... *bawwwwwwwwwwwl*"

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    2. Re:That's great and all ... by Ayrehtek · · Score: 3, Funny
      One of my professors would make the student give him the cellphone, and he would take the call for the student! It was hilarious to listen to some of the conversations.

      " Hello? ... No, this is his/her professor. He/she is in my class right now. ... Ok. I'll let him/her know to pick it up from the store on the way back. ... Bye."

      Hilarity ensures...
    3. Re:That's great and all ... by omega_cubed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, one of my professors does it much differently...

      Prof: ... and the superlocrian scale here
      ---BRRRRRRIIING---
      [Amanda looks up all embarassed]
      [Prof walks over to Amanda, picks up the cell phone from next to her handbag.]
      Prof: Yo.
      Phone: ...
      Prof: What you want?
      Phone: ...
      Prof: Yeah! This is Horatio. What you want with my woman?
      [the other end hangs up]

      It never fails to amuse... (funny how some students just don't learn).

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    4. Re:That's great and all ... by operagost · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dad doesn't know what Mom looks like? And he's a weeping sissy?

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    5. Re:That's great and all ... by wintermute1000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My math professor answered his phone during lecture once. He talked for about a minute, exchanging pleasantries, etc, then hung up and said, "I get to go to the symphony tonight!" The class was in hysterics.

      I know another professor who elaborately staged an event where he made it look as though he snatched a student's phone out of her purse and stomped on it. He heard rumors about himself at other colleges in the area within a few weeks. Apparently the act of violence made a big splash.

  7. Should have never been a cash cow by zotz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    '"Six or seven years ago, telephones on campus were a cash cow," said Glenn Gaslin of Morrisville State College in New York.'

    And here we see a basic problem. Trying to earn more than a fair return because you have monopoly power in a certain situation.

    They should never have been a cash cow in the first place, just a service provided to students with a modest rate of return.

    all the best,

    drew

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  8. Surprised? by LinuxHam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With most of the major carriers offering free minutes for calls between *any* of their customers (not just those on a family plan), is it any wonder that so many students are showing up with cellphones? I was expecting to see commentary about carriers linking up with campuses in advertising arrangements. I would expect Verizon and Cingular/AT&T to turn campuses into battlegrounds reminding everyone that all calls to any other user on their network is free all day, every day, encouraging the students to convince their friends to all use the same carrier.

    I remember using the community phone in the dorm hallway 16 years ago. I'm shocked that practice went on for another 11 years!!

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  9. Universities should work with Cell Provider by kfstark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not have students get a University sponsored cell-phone with a few special features:
    1. push-to-talk capability within Univ phones
    2. free instant messaging within Univ phones.
    3. Bluetooth and/or cable for internet access using the cell phone.
    4. Free calling to/from a student's home town.(this would need a DID in student's home area code)
    I'm sure there are more features that student's would love to have and be willing to pay for. Also, a cell phone company would love the contract to be the sole supplier to a college campus.
    --Keith

  10. It's just indicative of where phone use is headed. by jcostom · · Score: 4, Informative
    Look at say, Finland. The vast majority of folks there use a mobile as their primary phone. With LNP now available here in the US, particularly the ability to migrate a landline number to a mobile, this trend will only increase.

    Take my wife & I as an example.. We had 2 landlines here in our house. One was ours, the other is paid for by my company (I work from home). During a 2 month period, our home phone got shut off no less than 5 times. And before you start to think it - no, we paid the bill each month, on time. Each call to Verizon customer service was greeted with an endless sea of automated menus to troubleshoot your line. Thankfully, you can keep mashing down the 0 key to get a human on the phone.

    Each time this happened, we were told that we could expect to see a technician at our house in some ridiculous amount of time, usually 3-8 days. Then, mysteriously, the line would start working again. The explanation was always some inane excuse like, "someone unplugged your line at the CO" or "we had a mux that failed". We complained about rotten service to CS reps, Supervisors, Supervisors of Supervisors, and even to the office of Ivan Seidenberg (the CEO of Verizon for those who don't know). Know where it got us? Nowhere, fast.

    Tired of the crap, we voted with our feet. We were spending about $50 a month for the Verizon line, plus about another $35 for my wife's mobile. We popped over to the Cingular store and got a couple of phones on a family plan. I got a new number and we ported the home phone number over to the wife's mobile. Now our phones cost about $65 a month. We can call any Cingular customer (now including AT&T Wireless users) for free, have free nights & weekends, 850 min/mo and rollover. No coverage problems around here, and it all "just works".

    And hey, if you decide to do something like this - make sure you port to a carrier OTHER than Verizon Wireless. That is, if you're doing it because you're sick of Verizon. Otherwise, if you're happy with them, do whatever you feel like.

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  11. Oh, landLINES. by What'sInAName · · Score: 3, Funny

    Glanced the headline briefly, and thought that university administrator were getting desperate for methods to keep college students on campus.

  12. No extra charge at MSU by DestroBIG · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here in Michigan (MSU), they provide landlines for free to students in the dorms. If you ask for a phone they will even give you that. Also, does TFA assume that if you have a cell phone that you don't have a landline? Cable TV is also provided for free to those who live in the dorms. I know they aren't technically "free" but you don't pay extra so you're a fool not to use either service.

    1. Re:No extra charge at MSU by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, local service is free. It's the long-distance to home and such that is what they've been feeding off of up until now. And now that people use cell phones for that stuff, it's making them much less money.

  13. Re:It's just indicative of where phone use is head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hey! Verizon Landline is totally separate from Verizon Wireless. They don't have a single person working for them in common AFAIK. They are owned by some of the same people, but just because Verizon landline is a bunch of rotten asshats, don't lump us in with them.

    Disclaimer: I work for Verizon Wireless

  14. Re:It makes me wonder... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I spent a fortune in books in my first year.

    By the second year I'd wised up that:

    (a) most lecturers didn't even use the books, and those that did gave out photocopied notes.
    (b) for homework purposes the library had several copies
    (c) half the books were written or co-written by the lecturers an they were getting a cut.

    So for the second year I bought no books at all. Didn't miss them.